Clinton Campaign Hurting Democrats Chances In November

the reason this will be over next week is because the super delegates that have yet to commit will start bailing out on Clinton after Obama wins next week. Even IF Clinton squeaks out a win in Ohio she still won't meet the threshold she needs to overcome Obama's delegate lead. By staying in and doing what she did last night with the "well YOU didn't hold any hearings on Afghanistan" crap, is giving the republicans campaign fodder Against THE DEMOCRATIC nominee-you see this is about winning the WH back in November-NOT about Hillary-she MUST go for the good of the party and democratic elders are seeing what's happening and will do their job as super delegates and save the party

THAT THE REST OF US BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO VOTE??? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that us Floridians didn't have a primary that counted? You only cared after you figured "well Hillary won the state so NOW we need the delegates" hypocrites

Take it out on the arrogant FLA party dumbfucks that refused to play by the DNC rules - they do not deserve to hold office.

that the Clintons don't HELP the republicans? I guess it is since your girl is already playing for 2012

Do you think the GOP was unaware of Willie Horton in 1988?

Do you think the GOP oppo team is just sitting on their hands waiting for cues from the Democrats?

I'm talking about her campaign giving the GOP words to use against the democrats and their chances in November

"I'm talking about her campaign giving the GOP words to use against the democrats and their chances in November"

And I'm talking about the Obama campaign doing likewise should Hillary end up as the nominee.

Plus part of the process of the primaries is to sharpen one's self against attacks that will be coming in the GE.

Serious question.

The expansion of public health plans in eligibility, funding and options coupled with tying premium payments to income should create a more affordable climate.

Im sorry if I was snarky. I'm just sick of this Health-care bickering between the two. I feel like if Universal Health Care really mattered to either candidate, they would support HR 676. Period.

I didn't see your reply as snarky. You're not some unfamiliar.

While I recognize the political issue with mandates I think Obama is wrong in not insisting upon them as a key part of each plan's cost savings is from things like healthcare record modernization and preventative medicine.

Without coverage a person is far less likely to get regular checkups when they have to pay out of pocket.

That is why single payer will have big cost savings because people would have little excuse and every incentive to get regular checkups.

WHY DO YOU OBAMABOTS ALWAYS ASSUME I SUPPORT HRC? DO YOU NOT REALIZE THAT SOME OF US HAVE NOT BEEN FOOLED BY HRC *OR* OBAMA????????? WTF HAPPENED TO YOUR CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS? IS IT A SYMPTOM OF SOME KIND OF DISEASE? (By the way "YOUR GIRL" - nice touch. Suppose I called Obama "YOUR BOY"? THINK YOU WOULD CARE FOR THAT?)

I'm pretty sure that's what the poster was referring to.

she is NOT my girl

:argh:

i mean, if making a statement is all you want to do. You're never guaranteed of your vote meaning anything anyway.

PLEASE

I think calls for Hillary to drop out are premature. But if she does not win Ohio and Texas by decent margins, there is virtually no chance she can come out ahead in the delegate count, at which case she might want to think about whether it is worth staying in.

why the FUCK is a nominee a done deal before the voting gets to a big part of the country?

eventual nominee is badly wounded and does poorly in the general election.

Can't you look past your obsession for your candidate for one minute and get behind the party?

It always amazes me when people here think the GOP doesn't have their own oppo research but somehow rely on the Democrats.

they're being paid-don't DO IT FOR THEM

Both campaigns have engaged in attacks that could be picked up by the GOP & rw.

Why is it so shocking the candidates are seeking to go after what they perceive as their opponent's weak points?

WHAT has the Obama camp said that will help the GOP? They have books worth of shit already themselves-she's been vetted remember?

Casting her as a calculating pol.

That's just two quickies.

Seeing as how those two are likely angles to be used by the GOP, should Obama have refrained from using them?

I don't think so. He can attack with whatever he feels he can get away with.

"They have books worth of shit already themselves-she's been vetted remember?"

Yeah because the rw didn't start the Obama is a Muslim Manchurian candidate who attended a madrassa nonsense.

They were going to show restraint in discussing Obama's past drug use.

They would never stoop so low as to post videos on a guy claiming he had sex with Obama while smoking crack.

To claim that Hillary or Obama is giving the GOP material is ridiculous.

HATE-Obama is treating her with all due respect while you Hillary fans are perfectly OK with making shit up..."he wants to bomb Pakistan" what kind of shit is that to say to the world?

Because we could sit here all day.

Or do you wish to admit that saying Hillary is giving the GOP material is silly.

concerns me a lot less than "Obama wants to bomb Pakistan" and "why hasn't he held any hearing?"

is making false blanket statements like she did last night and also to try and make him an anti-Semite was also pretty low

I have not yet seen the debate so I cannot comment on it directly though I am aware of the Farrakan nonsense.

that asshat Russert

so, there's that to consider.

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and on Ed Schultz and Stephanie Miller are hurting Democrats' chances in November. I can't even listen to Stephanie Miller any more, and she used to get my day off to a great start. If I hear her say, "I'm just sayin' " one more time.....I'm gonna blow!

I also think she is hurting a woman's chance of competing. She is bringing out the worst of the worst in this late death rattle.

If HRC is going down, she is going to do her best to pull Obama down with her and McCain is going to win.

who can't see that they are positioning her for a run in 2012 already-if they can help McCain win in '08 then they get another shot

why is what I say stupid?

Maybe? D'ya think?

For future reference...I would advise against your running around DU asking "Why is what I say stupid?", unless you are truly prepared to handle the truth.

because the brigades are way too quick accusing people of being sexists-and there was ONE and it was because I was told it was put in the wrong category-don't make shit up about me I take my standing here seriously and have BEEN here for over 7 years-so yea go ahead and tell me why I'm fucking stupid to you

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Are you seriously trying to refute this? Are you honestly claiming that you didn't get your filth deleted last night?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4778535#4781097

Tell me, then, WHERE exactly did those posts get moved to? Where did the Mods move the "you seem to hate blacks" post?

You're fucking crazy.

people who don't support Clinton are so quickly called sexist around here and I am sick of it it's a filth word-just like people who play the race card and the gender card-it's sucks maybe that went over your head so no I have no apologies to make for fighting what I perceive as hatred and divisiveness on a board that I HAVE been involved with since it's inception

You got busted telling lies.

Busted...in public...telling lies.

What a nutter.

you saying I had a slew of locks-show them to me-how long have YOU been here? Let me guess you showed up around November right along with the other trolls who have done nothing but try and ruin this board with your pro-Hillary and anti-everybody else bullshit propaganda

LOL. Man, you are really unhinged.


Oh what the hell, I'll make it easy for you.

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suppose you look up my other user name from before this one Oustemnow and then get back to me

I don't think we can accuse her of trying to sabotage the party's chances in November without proof. It's a pretty big accusation to make. But as much as I would like to say it's a ridiculous accusation, I can't. I know Hillary Clinton threw John Kerry under the bus in 2006, but if she and Bill had really done everything they could to help him in 2004, wouldn't he be doing everything he could to help her now, or at least stayed on the sidelines?

hearings on Afghanistan. It would be ridiculous for Obama to hold a hearing on it when the committee that oversees Afghanistan has held at least one this year and there were two hearings, one open and one closed door in the full committee. Here is a Dkos diary with more details - there is a link to a video of the hearing in Kerry's subcommittee in one of the comments.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/27/10645/7336/820/464968

I just wonder.

I sense that when Obama loses the GE, DUers will be ready to blame Hillary for it. Nothing that he or his campaign will have said or done will make a difference. And everyone wants to stay away from the obvious factor of race. We can pretend all that we want to but 98 percent of blacks are voting for Obama because he is black and there will be many, many others out there in the general election who will be voting against him for the same reason. We are not a colorblind society nor are we gender blind and we should face it.

to what the Pubs will either dig up or MAKE UP! Besides, I doubt McCain would bring that up because it would also bring in that McCain himself missed LOTS of votes in the Senate due to campaigning!

on the correctness of her ending her campaign for the good of the party.

Better that she take it to the convention abd seat Mich and FL - and let super delegates ponder if we want a candidate that promises corporations a 5% tax cut and less regulation - and whose econ advisor says those left wing program proposals are not real (the campaign does not expect them to pass) so Larry Kudlow on CNBC can be happy that there will be no social program hit to the deficit as Obama continues his responsible funding of our troops.

McCain wanted the weakest Dem - and 200,000 GOP in Texas will vote for Obama to make him the nominee and McCain's wish come true.

Who cares what you think. Get a life. "Save the party" my ass.

o work on uniting the party behind Obama.

But November is still a good distance away. A lot of this primary squabbling will hopefully be forgotten by then, or at the very least something we look back at in amusement. I'm assuming of course that she doesn't somehow stick around until the convention in late August.

If she wins Ohio and Pennsylvania, she should go to the convention and create a deadlock! Then, the delegates should choose an alternative candidate that is suitable to both Obama and Clinton. It may be that both Clinton and Obama are not electable. Do you really believe that the average white voter will vote for a Black candidate with a middle name that sounds very Middle Eastern? You are giving the average voter too much credit to shed their prejudices. The Bradley effect will prevail in the voting booth,eh. Sorry. I wish that it was not the truth;but, my gut feeling is that this country is perhaps not ready for electing a Black or a woman as their President. I sure hope I am wrong in my thinking.

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is that the point?

I guess this is part of her "kitchen sink" strategy - if the Democratic Party doesn't want me, then fuck the candidate they DO want. I've never thought less of a (supposed) Democrat in my life.

Let's just get to March 4th, try to stay calm, and take it from there.

why shouldn't somebody make a thread about a thought they have just because it may offend the in-denial Clintonites around here? All day and every day for months we had to put up with propaganda against every candidate BY them-I started out for Gore here, then Edwards and now Obama-each one has been attacked by these mostly newcomers who have believed that something was owed to their candidate

I'm just pointing out what I think are the practical results.

My opinion shouldn't stop your opinion unless you're breaking the rules.

Note that I didn't Police Action you - I just made a comment. :hi:

it just sucks lately that you can't fucking say anything around here lately without being accused of being something you never thought you were or things you spend your life fighting against ya know? Like racism and sexism and gender-ism-these people who call us filth b/c we don't agree with them on their candidate-I'm sick of that shit man-I've been here since right after the 2000 election fiasco and have fought the good fight against a lot of shit and these Johnny come latelys-ah forget it

I hear you - there is an over use of the "sexist" "racist" charges - people are using them for everything anytime someone posts anything they disagree with. It's a pain in the but, but just think - it will all be over soon.

we NEED this election my family needs this this country needs this-Hillary? she DOESN'T need this

they could use in a swift-boat attack ad? They don't need Clinton or her surrogates for that. His record is open and they'll use anything to smear him.

They didn't mind sliming a Vietnam war hero like Kerry with lies and innuendos.

It seems that plenty of Obama supporters here are not prepared for what they'll face come the GE. I hope Obama is.

Well good for her then.


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my argument is that they are already aware of his record and any little comment he made that can be used against him.

This is the presidential primary and both Clinton's and Obama's performance and Senate record is fair game. Or are you saying he shouldn't attack her on her IWR vote?

A day after her. Almost as if their campaigns shared the same consulting firm. Oh wait...

If you already get bent out of shape because she mentioned that he has yet to hold a meeting on the committee he chairs, you might want to toughen up a bit. This will be nothing like what he'll face in the GE. And let me make clear: He will be our nominee and will have to face McCain and the Republican smear machine.

Senate records and performance are fair game. I don't complain about Obama bringing up her IWR vote.

Hillary Clinton should be respected and is a fine example of a leading democrat, however, I am suffering from extreme Clinton fatigue and cannot wait until this is over. I am sick of the childish bickering that should not be coming from our side of the aisle. I am sick of the Clinton supporter political pundits and their long-winded talking points that have been yapped into the ground and I am sick, sick, sick of the political drama coming from the Clinton campaign. I have lost some respect for the Clinton's over the past few months.

March 4 cannot come soon enough for me.

that Clinton is now using against Obama.
In fact, in a bizarre way, Clinton's over the top attacks have metaphorically innoculated him against the exact same attacks from the republicans. Not because they won't use the same attacks, they will, but because it gives him practice deflecting them, and deflect them he has.

Certainly not Clinton's intent, but I think she's serving welll as a good sparring partner that fights as dirty as the republicans. She's actually toughening him up for the general election.

However, I don't think its a fair charge to make to say that the republicans would never have thought of these attacks without CLinton. I'm sure they had these attacks and more already in their arsenal.

so, yes, it was horrific to watch the flailing clinton campaign meltdown launch into these desperate attacks, but he weathered reasonably well, so I think its all good.
The only one really hurt by all this is Clinton herself. I think she can pretty much kiss goodbye any future runs at the presidency.

this is all IMHO, of course.

They already have it waiting on both of them. They have legions of staff digging up that kind of stuff, except they won't be polite about it. For example, did you ever stop to think that there are Republican Senators on that Sub-Committee that hasn't met yet? Did you think maybe they haven't noticed? Of course they know and of course they will throw that against Obama whether or not Clinton mentions it first. It helps for both candidates to scope out where they are most vulnerable now so they can make corrections. It might for example influence who each would choose as their running mate if they realize they need some propping up in some area.

I see Barack Obama sharpening his tools and becoming a MUCH better debater each time he goes up against Hillary Clioton, and she in turn has shaken off being viewed as Bill's wife to emerge more strongly as her own person in the public eye. This contest, as grueling as it is, is making both of them stronger and helping each campaign find out where they are solid and where they are weak now while there still is time to make needed changes.