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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:03 PM Original message |
So when did it become okay for progressives to demonize people without health insurance? |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Healthcare should be free |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Nothing is free |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. Right. And anyone who goes to a public college or univerisity pays A LOT less because those schools |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #19 |
53. God damn that is some twisted logic right there! |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. Oh here we go |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #27 |
49. Unlimited demand |
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TomClash (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #49 |
51. So what? Too much health care is bad? |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:26 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. Of course you must regulate the supply. |
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daleo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #49 |
69. It's free in Canada at the point of purchase |
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PaulaFarrell (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #49 |
74. Is that actually true? |
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Sgent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. If you have actual knowledge |
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meow mix (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:49 PM Response to Reply #11 |
39. we pay our taxes. europe cant believe we pay our taxes and get no health care. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
73. Lots of stuff is free. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. ok, I'll bite |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 06:42 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. The piece of thought right before it exacts a price on your brain. |
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shadowrider (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:47 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. LOL you're funny |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Entropy. |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
80. If we can afford a fricking war |
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muffin1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
82. Isn't there |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
64. I would like it attached to personhood... |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
2. Brilliant point! Those dastardly healthcare queens are ruining it for everyone! |
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JimGinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Well I Think You... |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. While driving Cadillacs! (Hey, isn't that what Saint Reagan said?) |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. Hillary is militant about forcing everyone to have health insurance. What about this? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. For the same reason that you're required to support public schools even if you have no kids. n/t |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Significant difference |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. And the same reason we oppose vouchers |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. No. Insurance Cos. are private, for profit cos. I shouldn't be forced to pay them. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. I'm not in your enviable position yet but I'd still rather take my chances |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Well, there are good jobs with good insurance you could look for. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. I don't have as much faith as you do, having come from the insurance industry |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Those are wise fears, I agree. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #5 |
23. I have no problem with paying for public schools |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
32. With that kind of money you could buy excellent health care insurance. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. The poster is a medical professional and may know more than you about it. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:43 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Is your "wealth" all in income? How much is it in assets? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:59 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Neither. I'm self-employed, in a new business, with my income fluctuating wildly. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Yes, I raised money from hugely wealthy people in Greenwich, Ct. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #3 |
55. So if there was a health care tax, would you refuse to pay it? |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yeah. I am surprised to hear liberals saying these things |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Where are they saying this? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
6. For the most part, people don't have health care because they can't afford it. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
7. self delete |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
8. Why are you not complaining about being coerced to participate in the healthcare system of veterans? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
24. Actually, as a veteran myself, I'm more than a little chagrined |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:19 PM Response to Original message |
9. Barack has most certainly not said that |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 06:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
25. You're right. He's not nearly as bad as Hillary with this rhetoric. |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
79. If you watched the last debate Obama did admit that his program had |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. AMEN! We have this thing called POVERTY, and it has gone up. |
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Fox Mulder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
16. It's never been okay. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
17. What's really interesting about these "deadbeats" is that they already pay taxes for medicare and SS |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
46. SS and medicare taxes are mandatory. You can't opt out of payroll taxes. |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. The point is that the Clinton campaign is "demonizing" people for not |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
72. Well, demonizing isn't good if people are making an honest effort. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
21. Thanks for your post. I liked Laura's response to the woman |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
22. k&r for the truth of it |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
28. This is something I have posted about before. I'm so happy to see someone else post |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #28 |
48. Do you worry about a catastrophic accident or illness? |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #48 |
76. Yes, I do |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
29. This post is excellent: Would you consider reposting it in GD? NT |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
30. I have to jump into this since I'm a nurse and this issue is important to me |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. You say you want a single payer system but you're advocating ditching medicare completely? |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. ContinentalOp No offense |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
65. I won't pretend to know all of the details of Medicare. |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #65 |
71. ContinentalOp The other thing about medicare I forgot to mention |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. IOW, you think we should have a single payer system that covers everyone. |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
41. thecatburgler thanks for correcting me on that |
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Mike03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
34. Would you please give me permission to cross post this |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-28-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Sure thing! |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
47. "when precisely did the insurance industry become the solution to our healthcare situation ... |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
50. hold on here... |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
52. "Young people who think thye are invincible" is NOT demonizing someone |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:00 PM Response to Original message |
56. How is asking those who can afford to to pay their fair share non progressive? |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Because the idea that they can afford to pay and just choose not to is a myth! |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. That must be why there are Obama supporters in this thread living the "myth" |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:42 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Trying to frame this as a "personal freedom" issue is of course a RW talking point. |
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AnarchoFreeThinker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:06 PM Response to Original message |
57. kickers. right on. |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:23 PM Response to Original message |
59. "when precisely did the insurance industry become the solution"?? |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
61. Thank you, thank you, thank you! The insurance industry is not |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
62. "Young people who think they are invincible" |
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davidthegnome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
67. You mean I'm not invincible? |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
68. HEALTH CARE IS A HUMAN RIGHT ....damn it all to hell. |
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Jed Dilligan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
70. The same way it's okay to demonize the homeless |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
75. Your argument is just calling Hillary a liar. I think you are good at that |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 09:04 PM Response to Original message |
81. I think this is a disingenuous argument. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
83. In my town, we don't demonize people without fire protection |
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area51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
84. kick. (n/t) |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:52 PM Response to Original message |
87. It's my understanding that people with insurance do pay for those who are treated without it. |
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