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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:17 PM
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McCain And Clinton To Obama: No More Good Speeches
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McCain And Clinton To Obama: No More Good Speeches

Finally, John McCain and Hillary Clinton have something in common: They are both against good oratory. In fact, the speeches McCain and Clinton after the Wisconsin primary were pretty similar. Voters were urged not to trust "eloquent but empty" words by one of them, while the other one said, "We need to make a choice between speeches and solutions,..." I don’t remember which one said which, but it doesn’t really matter. The point is that both of them warned the country not to trust language that in a previous time would have been called the "silver tongue" or the "fancy speechifying" of Barack Obama. Somehow this year, it has become a bad thing to be able to make good speeches.

Obviously, this is not the first time in American politics that candidates have pandered to voters by seeming to be anti-intellectuals and "just plain folks." Andrew Jackson’s campaigns characterized him as a daring adventurer when running against dandies with too much "book learnin’." Adlai Stevenson was derided by his opponents as being too much of an intellectual, or an "egghead." More recently, there was Ronald Reagan who made the statement while running for governor of California that "universities should not subsidize intellectual curiosity." And the books aren’t even closed yet on the President who made "nucular" a word and has been anything but an eloquent speaker.

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McCain and Clinton really seem to be trying to convince America that Obama should not be trusted because he is a captivating speaker. One of the strangest aspects of criticizing Obama like this is that it’s acknowledging that he’s a better speaker, a better communicator than they are. Since so much of running for President is making speeches, is it really a good idea to admit that your opponent is better at it than you? Would any of them admit that the other one was better at kissing babies?

What’s really annoying is the condescension that this criticism of Obama reveals. It’s as if they’re saying that we Americans, we potential voters can’t tell what is meaningful language and what is not. If it weren’t for our good buddies, Obama’s opponents, we might be taken in by all his fancy language. I’m not just engaging in my own demagoguery when I say that I have a lot more faith in the American people than that. I think we know when someone is just trying to manipulate us by his or her language — and that’s exactly what Obama’s opponents are trying to do.

Don’t get me wrong. Everyone running for high political office speaks largely in platitudes. We always have to listen with an appropriate amount of cynicism. But I like listening to someone who can speak in sentences of more than three words. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with inspirational, motivational oratory. It wouldn’t be the end of our country if we had a leader who spoke using proper English. It’s about time for that, ain’t it?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:19 PM
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1. That's why Hillary vs. McCain doesn't need to happen.....
too much alike in so many ways.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:23 PM
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3. It seems to me their attacks are almost orchestrated:
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:30 PM
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5. They can have each other.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:52 PM
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20. They both simultaneously attacked Obama in public financing as well.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:41 PM
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10. As They Say....
Birds of a Feather....
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:22 PM
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2. McCain/Clinton '08?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:26 PM
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4. Scary. nt
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:31 PM
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6. Aren't they sly?
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:39 PM
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8. Just a whisper
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:45 PM
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16. Waiting for the skies to open...


:rofl:
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:39 PM
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9. dupe delete
Edited on Thu Feb-28-08 09:42 PM by Ichingcarpenter
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:43 PM
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13. LOL
:crazy:
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:31 PM
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7. And then if he acts like a policy wonkish techncrat, they'll whine that "He's so booooring!"
You just can't win with these people.

Gore is too "wooden"

Kerry doesn't "connect" with people (I still don't know what that means).
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:46 PM
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17. Bingo.
According to the mainstream media, Democratic politicians who inspire are running cults, and other Democratic politicians are boring.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:42 PM
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11. Quit trying to inspire the Democrats - let them remain spineless cowards afraid of Bush's shadow!
We wouldn't want anyone to rock the boat!
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:43 PM
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12. So pitiful and so sad......
the price of power these days........at the price of the American people.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:44 PM
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14. Their new war slogan "No more good speeches! Hell, no, we won't listen! No more good speeches!"
LoL
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:44 PM
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15. Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush were both good at giving speeches...
...to other Republicans.

When Bush came to Minnesota during the 2004 campaign, he got an enthusiastic reaction from the Republicans here.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:51 PM
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19. Reagan is rolling over in his grave as McCain claims he was a footsoldier in Reagan's army.
They want that Reagan label soooooo bad, even Romney spoke of Reagan as if he were gawd.
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 09:49 PM
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18. and Hillary DID purposefully do the nazi salute two times - only two times - and only
when she said "enough with the speeches and the big rallies". At 3:12 of this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_X-RoRghAY
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:05 PM
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21. Well, that's interesting.
Hmmmm, doesn't look good to make gestures like that during a campaign.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:33 PM
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22. Thank you, Lloyd Garver!
Somebody had to write so well about it.

"What’s really annoying is the condescension that this criticism of Obama reveals. It’s as if they’re saying that we Americans, we potential voters can’t tell what is meaningful language and what is not. If it weren’t for our good buddies, Obama’s opponents, we might be taken in by all his fancy language. I’m not just engaging in my own demagoguery when I say that I have a lot more faith in the American people than that. I think we know when someone is just trying to manipulate us by his or her language — and that’s exactly what Obama’s opponents are trying to do."

The money quote.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:36 PM
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23. "Enough with the speeches and big rallies. Not fair!! You must suck like we do."
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:38 PM
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24. Nothing better than sucking at running for elections.....
don't get folks excited now.....they may actually want to have a say in this government.
Can't have that! :shrug:
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 10:40 PM
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25. Now, don't denigrate their sucking; she has 35 years experience doncha know?
McCain has 135 years.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-28-08 11:12 PM
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26. Barack needs to start giving "Food on our Families" kind of speeches
Do i need this? :sarcasm:
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