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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:04 AM
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BREAKING: CSpan/HoustonChronicle-Reuters Poll: 44-42 Clinton lead in Ohio/Obama 48-42 in TX
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 01:39 AM by Tropics_Dude83
Ohio:

Clinton-44%
Obama-42%

Texas:

Obama 48%
Clinton 42%

Will post more details shortly. I subscribe so I get this service after 1 am ET while it won't be released until tommorrow to the public.

Pollster John Zogby: Ohio is very tight for the Democrats and is a throwback to the earlier Clinton-Obama races. Clinton leads among Democrats, women, voters over 50, and everywhere outside the three big cities. She also leads among Catholics, voters in union households, and moderates. Obama leads among voters under 50, especially those under 30, and among liberals.

“But the most telling numbers are those among early deciders vs. late deciders. Among those who made up their minds ‘more than a month ago’, Clinton leads 63% to 37%. Obama leads but margins as big among those who made up their minds less than a month ago, a week ago, and within the past few days. In the same vein, Clinton leads by 6 among those who have already voted.”

In Texas, Obama has big leads among independents, men, voters under 65, African Americans, and voters who have decided within the last month. Clinton leads with Catholics and voters over 65.

By most accounts, Clinton needs knockout blows in the March 4 states to catch up with Obama among pledged delegates. As of today, these are close races, a fact which appears to help Obama maintain his edge with delegates.

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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:05 AM
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1. That's good but C-Span/Reuters polls have been sucking, as of late.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:07 AM
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5. I think these poll numbers are accurate, however Zogby's reputation was ruined in California.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:09 AM
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10. his reputation was ruined because his brother is an Obama superdelegate
and his brother is a partner in the polling company.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:11 AM
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14. Oh Bullshit, his reputation was ruined because he fucked up California
I just dont understand how it helps that his brother is an Obama superdelegate.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:14 AM
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17. it's both
if you fuck up a major state in a 23 point "error" in favor of the candidate your partner/brother is a superdelegate for, people are not going to think highly of your credibility.

And it wasn't just the one poll. IT was three or four in a row, showing Obama "gaining' and then "pulling away" - all put up in successive BOLD HEADLINES by Drudge.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:17 AM
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19. He did him no favors in Nevada though, where Zogby nailed it. I just dont understand that thinking
he simply got the numbers wrong in california, very wrong. He may be wrong here too, but he may be right. I personally think he is right, just because this is about where I predict it to finish. I said earlier tonight I think he wins by seven in Texas and loses by 4 in OH
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:20 AM
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20. I think your numbers are probably about right
but I don't think Zogby is reputable or honest.
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mihalevich Donating Member (248 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:08 AM
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7. Is that you in the picture?
If so, your Hot. GObama
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:14 AM
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18. why thank you! ;)
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:41 AM
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27. Which one's you?
I Kid...I kid
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:45 AM
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32. lol
:spank:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:06 AM
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2. While I love those numbers, I'm wondering, any chance there is a Zogby attached to this?
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:07 AM
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4. LOL I know-I hate Zogby after CA
But he's nailed every other race this year except for CA.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:06 AM
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3. Is this a Zogby poll?
because if it is, it's useless propoganda.

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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:08 AM
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6. He screwed up CA
but so did Rasmussen, Suffolk and the Field Poll.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:08 AM
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9. Problem was they screwed it up by abou 12 points, he did by 23.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:10 AM
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12. not by 23 points. And not with major conflict of interest questions
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:08 AM
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8. looks good
hope they are close.
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GoreVidalIsGod Donating Member (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:10 AM
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11. Is this Zogby?
+13 in California.

SurveyUSA and Rasmussen both have him up by 4. I think that's more likely than 7.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:11 AM
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13. I don't wanna hear about Zobgy. Love those numbers, though.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:12 AM
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15. kick!
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:13 AM
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16. It's Zogby, but I think it's about right.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:25 AM
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21. How did Zogby do in Wisconsin?
I'd like to know.....if you know. :)
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:29 AM
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24. I don't think he polled Wisconsin.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:26 AM
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22. He must be out-bombing her with ads on the air
Any reports from the ground from DUers in TX and OH?
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LadyVT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:27 AM
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23. Margin of error, please? Without that, this is meaningless.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:37 AM
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25. Here ya go!
The Democratic Party surveys in Ohio included 708 likely voters, while the Texas survey of Democrats included 704 likely voters. Both surveys were conducted Feb. 26-28, 2008, and carry margins of error of +/- 3.8 percentage points.

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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:58 AM
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35. I'm not sure how meaningful it is either way.
The number of undecided is astonishing.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:41 AM
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26. Zogby sucks!!!
I don't care what he says. He has no credibility at all.
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Tropics_Dude83 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:43 AM
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28. Could somebody weight these crosstabs for me?
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 01:45 AM by Tropics_Dude83
These are TX. Let's assume that the female vote is 59% in Texas and the Hispanic vote is 30%. I'm not good at numbers but does that change the math? Probably not since he leads with TX women I guess huh.

Party AgeGroup AgeGroup-B
Total Democratic Republican Ind/Unenrolled 18-29 30-49 50-64 65+ 18-24 25-34 35-54 55-69 70+
% % % % % % % % % % % % %
Hillary Clinton 41.7 46.1 24.7 29.4 41.0 38.6 38.2 52.2 43.7 38.2 37.6 41.5 54.1
Barack Obama 48.2 47.6 40.5 52.2 53.9 51.1 51.4 33.2 56.3 54.8 50.5 48.7 31.1
Michael Gravel .4 .3 2.3

.3 .7


.9


Someone else 2.7 1.1 25.3 3.3
2.5 3.9 3.4
.9 3.1 3.8 2.8
NS 7.0 4.9 7.3 15.2 5.1 7.3 5.7 11.1
6.1 7.9 6.0 12.0
Total 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0





Gender Race Already voted
Total Male Female White Hispanic AfAmer Asian Other Yes No/NS
% % % % % % % % % %
Hillary Clinton 41.7 37.5 45.4 45.8 54.9 7.5 40.9 49.8 42.0 41.8
Barack Obama 48.2 49.5 47.0 43.6 33.1 84.9 59.1 48.1 51.9 45.8
Michael Gravel .4 .3 .4 .5 .4


.3 .4
Someone else 2.7 3.7 1.9 4.9 2.0


2.6 2.8
NS 7.0 9.0 5.3 5.2 9.5 7.5
2.0 3.3 9.2
Total 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0



5000. All Votes- Democratic-TX
Region Income
Total Dallas Houston West Central South East <$25K $25-35K $35-50K $50-75K $75-100K $100K+
% % % % % % % % % % % % %
Hillary Clinton 41.7 32.8 33.7 47.4 40.3 66.7 38.2 51.8 38.6 45.5 41.5 34.7 33.9
Barack Obama 48.2 59.3 61.3 42.2 49.0 19.3 49.6 39.0 57.1 46.2 47.1 54.2 55.7
Michael Gravel .4

1.2
1.1 .5

.7

1.4
Someone else 2.7 2.8 2.0 4.9 .4 4.5 4.4 .3 1.8 1.7 5.8 2.1 3.4
NS 7.0 5.1 3.0 4.3 10.2 8.3 7.3 8.9 2.5 5.9 5.5 9.0 5.5
Total 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0 100.0
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:43 AM
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29. That's an insane amount of undecideds in Ohio!
14% is HUGE
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:43 AM
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30. Zogby better get it right this time or his credibility may never recover
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:44 AM
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31. There's too many undecideds right now.
14% is really a lot. We'll see where this is monday. I imagine that the number of undecideds will drop by then. :shrug:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:47 AM
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33. The Cross tabs look like the make sense in Texas
He has Obama winning 85 percent of the African American Support, which is where it probably will be, while he has her with 55% of the Latino vote.
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loveangelc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:36 AM
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36. doesnt it seem like the latino vote is somewhat skewed toward obama more than other polls?
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 02:37 AM by loveangelc
idk, he may be undersamplng latinos....i think thats what happened in tx.
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:52 AM
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34. I'll take those numbers!
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tandem5 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 02:39 AM
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37. Zogby! You've come out from under your rock!
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