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ORDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:11 AM Original message |
reminder: Hillary Clinton's floor speech 2002 supporting Iraq invasion |
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Zueda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
1. And she expects people to believe she has the judgement to be ready on day one? |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. intelligence reports show " - as if those reports were known to be lies |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. How would she know what the intelligence reports showed... |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
51. This argument shows the lack of knowlege of the way the Senate works |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
68. Does the Senate work differently for Bob Graham? |
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pocoloco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Did you believe bush also?? |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
15. Gee, I knew they were lies based on the way Bushco was acting |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. Powell knew they were lies in February 2001: |
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Clovis Sangrail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #3 |
73. we already knew Bush was spouting many many lies |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
2. K&R. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
4. I've often believed that DC Dems were far more influenced by Bill's analysis of Iraq |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #4 |
13. It'd be very interesting to find out how he made the case for war, |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. a lot more WMD was found by the arms inspectors between |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I disagree. You have yet to show how Jackson Stephens and Bush1 were held accountable |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. strawman |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #44 |
55. 1998 is an interesting choice as cut off date, 4 years before the IWR vote |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. that's when the inspectors were kicked out |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. UNSCOM was not thrown out |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #65 |
78. it's not that simple - there had been a series of escalating crisis |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
6. but, none of that supports your header |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Her speech did not support preemtive invasion |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. no it did not. Bush pushed PAST the provisions of that resolution, |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Yes it did - AuMF is a joint resolution |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. WAR POWERS RESOLUTION REQUIREMENTS. -- |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. WPA 5b and 8a1: |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. you cited the relevant provision in the first paragraph. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. We are discussing only 3c and 4 here |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
43. Her husband thought it was okay to invade |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
7. She was the only Democrat that gave that kind of speech that day |
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bullimiami (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
8. if congress was lied to and given false intel reports why is she not screaming for impeachment? |
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Alex K (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. exactly!!! impreach bush and cheney, i still don't understand why we don't do this. |
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City Lights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Hiya, Alex K! |
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Zueda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
12. If "Senator Clinton" decided NO to the authorization I bet a sufficient amount of fellow dems... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
37. Only in your fantasyland |
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Arkansas Granny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
14. I have read the speech in it's entirety and would like to point out |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Thank you for that rational look at her speech of that day. |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. But there were Congress members who saw through the sham, exercised sound judgment, and voted no. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Yes! |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Thank you for that list. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. The speech is not US law. |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. but Osama Bin Laden was in Afghanistan Hillary, NOT Iraq |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. She said the vote wasn't for war, as did Kerry, yet Kerry is hand in hand with Obama on the trail |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:37 AM Response to Reply #32 |
47. Kerry was also a FLAWED candidate because of his war vote. |
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dansolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
79. I'm not looking the other way for Kerry |
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MethuenProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
16. This was way back when Obama was just a nobody in Rezko's hip pocket, right? |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Did People Die |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
23. The embellishment, the word "undisputed", is a tell-tale indicator she was being deceptive. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
31. Whoops. |
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workinclasszero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
33. Hillary Clinton: Ready to f**k up on day one! |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
34. Just more Hillary "Two Face" rhetoric. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
35. You left out this part: |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:39 AM Response to Reply #35 |
50. ...but I'm gonna give you the authorization to do it, anyway! n/t |
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indimuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
36. why not post the WHOLE thing? |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. It was a vote to authorize Bush to use military force against Iraq |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
40. May I asked you who did you vote for in 04? |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:06 PM Response to Original message |
41. The parts left out .... |
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superkia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:20 AM Response to Original message |
46. I also like this part where she talks about that EXPERIENCE... |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:38 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. And so wishes it would go |
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EndElectoral (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:38 AM Response to Original message |
48. though ...apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001" |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:43 AM Response to Original message |
52. you provided a distorted view of the speech--here is some more that provides perspective |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:10 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. "But I'm going to give you the authorization anyway." n/t |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
54. Now, THAT'S damaging, I knew that war was full of shit before it happened. |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
56. Kick |
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sloppyjoe25s (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
57. And she made this speech not even having READ the intelligence |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
60. Obama's record is even less defensible..He said he was against the war until he had a Senate vote... |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #60 |
67. There is a huge difference |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. you're delusional and can you say VIETNAM?!?! yes congress defunded it to end it! |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. What utter nonsense. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. June 1973....................not holding my breath for an apology.................. |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. LOL |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. Apr. 29, 1975: Last U.S. military personnel killed, in rocket attack........ |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Wrong again |
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tabasco (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
81. Guarding the embassy! |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
61. And from Hillary's colleagues at the same time: |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I don't see my Congressional rep's comments. He voted against it. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. That's fine with me. Who is your rep? |
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HootieMcBoob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
62. Obama's 2002 speech regarding Iraq and war |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
64. Selective quotes from that Hillary Clinton speech by the OP....... |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. That's very nice |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
83. Deleted |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
72. Undisputed, except for all the dispute. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
77. ............ |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. ......... |
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SOS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 08:23 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Her floor speech is irrelevant. |
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