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WyldRogue Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:08 PM
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Texas Republicans cross over to vote for Obama....
True support combines with stop-Clinton sentiment in next week’s primary


Looks like Obama is being poised to be the fall-guy as the Rethugs are manipulating the Dem caucuses and primaries.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23394070/

Read the report about the Texas republicans who are tactically voting for BO but will vote Republican in November. This supports the theory why he was doing so well in red states, with open contests. It also does not bode well for his chances in November as he will not be the choice of the majority of Democrats!



Vote for the Democrats choice for nominee!!

Both are Dems and both are better than McCain!
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:10 PM
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1. The article said that was the motive for some Republicans
But that other Republicans were genuine supporters. And there have also been efforts to get Republicans to cross over and vote for Clinton because they think she will be easier to beat.
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eissa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:13 PM
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3. That's what I saw as well
The poster left out the political science professor (republican) who said he voted for Hillary because he thought she "would be easier to defeat."
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WyldRogue Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:46 PM
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33. Umm
I provided the link to the story so I did NOT omit anything so retract your claws please..

Gee... anything negative on Obama and it's attack/smear/berate the messenger when all I was doing is sharing an interesting story being spread.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:12 PM
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2. The rallies speak a different story...
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 12:13 PM by Blue_Roses
while some of this may be true, the overwhelming support for Obama has gone ballistic. College kids all the way to voters over 65 are turning out in record numbers. We have had ENOUGH of Bush politics. Whether it's for Obama or Hillary, yes, Democrats are turning out in record numbers to get a Democrat in the WH.

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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:14 PM
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4. They are picking the easy opponent for McCain


He is still weak and unchallenged so far....., The GOP will be laughing all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. if he gets the Democratic nomination. The old man McCain needs a lesser of our two remaining candidates and they will do everything in their reach to accomplish that goal

Cross over voting is just one way!


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=98851&mesg_id=98851


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=98855&mesg_id=98855
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:18 PM
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14. And then the GOP will be crying all the way back to Capitol Hill after Obama gets elected president!

Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:21 PM
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17. Texas did give us *bush, twice and they embraced
*bush as their almight governor too.

No surprise with that VIVA OBAMA mentality.

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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:29 PM
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22. Yep, Texas offered him and the country voted for him. This time we going
to make up for it by trying to help the country keep from making another horrible mistake by getting our weakest candidate, Hillary, as our nominee and getting another republican in the WH.


This time we're backing Obama, our next president!!

Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU
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debatepro Donating Member (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:19 PM
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15. Obama is fighting 5 on 1.
Obama is winning democrats and republicans against... Bush(see yesterday), McCain, Huck(attacked obama yesterday), Hillary and Bill Clinton.


Never in History has a Primary candidate had to run against his challenger plus a former president, a sitting president, and two candidates from the other party... and guess what he is going toe to toe with all of them at once... and winning...
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:20 PM
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16. And if it comes to pass, as it very well could, I'll remember the rudies who
insisted that such a thing was IMPOSSIBLE...that the ONLY reason the Republicans crossed over was because BO was so "transformational." :eyes: Yeah, and I'm King of the World....

He's going to be smeared like peanut butter on Wonder Bread. Anyone who doesn't see that is a fool.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:30 PM
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23. His weak, unchallenged self has been kicking Veruca's ass by 20%.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:14 PM
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5. That goes both ways:
Some area Republicans try to help party by faking left, going right
BY AMAN BATHEJA
STAR-TELEGRAM STAFF WRITER

Allan Saxe wants John McCain to be the next president. That's why he voted for Hillary Clinton on Wednesday.

Saxe, a political science professor at the University of Texas at Arlington, is one of an untold number of local Republicans voting in the Democratic primary.

Though many are doing so because they favor a Democratic candidate, some are voting less with their hearts than their heads.

"She'll be easier to defeat," Saxe said, referring to his vote for Clinton.

more... http://www.star-telegram.com/elections/story/491433.html
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:14 PM
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6. The reality is Democrats choose him too, because you don't get 2:1 wins
without hefty support from the Democrats.

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:14 PM
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7. Dick Morris on Fox News ordered all TX Republicans to vote for Obama to get rid of Clinton forever
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:25 PM
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19. Dick Morris gives walking orders to Texas republicans?? wow, twilight zone time now.
You really believe Texas Republicans take orders from a former Clinton adviser?

Wow, just amazing what people want to believe. Do you believe in a flat earth as well? You should, it's the same level of logic......


Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:28 PM
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21. I saw him state it in Fox and Dennis Miller is telling TX Repubs the same on RW Radio
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 12:31 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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texas_indy Donating Member (432 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:37 PM
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31. As I said before, you actually believe Texan repubs do what he says???
I heard him say it as well, as did many other people. SO WHAT!!! Do you do what ever your told on TV?

And Dennis Miller is saying it also.

So what, are they the KINGS of TEXAS?
Did I miss an election or coronation for the KING of TEXAS?
I missed the part where I sign the notice stating I will do what ever Dick Morris or Dennis Miller state!!!


OMG, help me out my fellow Texans. Please send the loyalty oath you signed stating that you would obey Dick and Dennis!!! I didn't get it!!!!!


Texas is Obama country! VIVA OBAMA!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fd-MVU4vtU
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:30 PM
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24.  Rove/Krystal/PNAC Thank you for your service also
Edited on Fri Feb-29-08 12:31 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 03:38 PM
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35. Dick Morris absolutely hates the Clintons.
He's been railing about both of them for years.
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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:39 PM
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32. Ann Coulter endorsed Hillary Clinton. Said Hillary is more CONSERVATIVE than McCain.
She said that Hillary would be more CONSERVATIVE than John McCain. I believe her. Both Hillary and McNasty voted for the war and if either one gets elected, s/he will expand the war to other countries, get more Americans killed, kill more civilians, and destroy what is left of our national reputation.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:16 PM
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8. Nice try, see ya!
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:16 PM
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9. What does it mean?
They want Obama to be the nominee? They are more afraid of Hillary? They are voting for Obama because they think he is the best candidate?
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flyarm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:16 PM
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10. i and others heard that knocking on doors for Edwards in SC ..repeatedly..
and repeat after me using a southern accent..their ________ ( insert in blank : church, minister, preacher, bishop) told them to vote for Obama..then there was a little chuckle.

fly
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:17 PM
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11. ...stop-Clinton sentiment in next week’s primary
Why, I am SHOCKED, SHOCKED I tell you!!! :sarcasm:

I've been talking about strategic voting here for awhile, and been told that my assertions were erroneous--but not in such nice language. Now, here's "I toldja so" proof:

    Stop-Clinton movement takes root
    “Obamacans,” as the campaign likes to call its Republican supporters, offer a variety of reasons for turning out for Obama, not the least of them a lack of interest in the Republican primary now that Sen. John McCain of Arizona has all but wrapped up his party’s nomination. Others say they genuinely think Obama is the best candidate for change.

    But a significant proportion say they are temporarily backing Obama for strategic reasons. They plan to vote Republican in November, but for now, their goal is to try to make sure Clinton cannot win.

    Although he said he sincerely supported Obama, Rau acknowledged that “Hillary kind of represents the antithesis of a lot of Republican values.”

    Baselice, the Texas pollster, said some Republicans were calculating: “What do we need to do to draw the contrast between the Republican nominee and whoever the Democratic nominee will be post-Labor Day?”



TRANSLATION: Stand by for a smear job that makes the Kerry Swiftboating look like a fucking Valentine.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:18 PM
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12. Why would they want to nominate our strongest GE candidate? I guess they really are morans.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:18 PM
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13. I've heard the talk and know of a few folks that are crossing over.
The feeling is that Barack would be easier than Hillary to defeat.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:26 PM
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20.  yup they know Barack will be an easy defeat and McCain wins
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:25 PM
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18. Obama is drawing the support of more than 70 percent of Republicans ...WTF?!?!
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:31 PM
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26. As much as I hate replying to misleading spam...
"he is drawing the support of more than 70 percent of Republicans who said they were likely to vote in the Democratic primary."
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:31 PM
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25. Maybe a lot of Republicans are like a lot of Democrats?
Maybe they are fed up with politics as usual and they see Obama as an alternative? If they truly wanted McCain to win, most experts say that Hillary would get out the most Republicans if she were the nominee.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:32 PM
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28. and maybe pigs fly
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:31 PM
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27. Polls show Obama does better against McCain
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:33 PM
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29. So why don't the media organizations start polling and get some hard data
on this if it's such a trend and being reported as factual? Until then, there are no hard numbers, no hard facts, just anecdotal evidence which means absolutely fucking nothing.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 12:34 PM
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30. Yawn. n/t
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-29-08 01:10 PM
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34. I just have to laugh
That article you cited makes no claim that Republicans are voting Democratic in Texas, in order to manipulate our primary. The idea is a fantasy, based on specious reasoning and complete ignorance about Texans.

The Republicans aren't messing with the vote - they are defecting their party. Anyone who honestly thinks devoted Repubs are going to risk down-ticket votes just to game the Clinton vs. Obama contest, well, they're not from around here.

I give you a local (Amarillo, TX) anecdote to solidify my point:

A couple of weeks ago, FOX news national visited a Republican gathering at the Big Texan Steak Ranch. Among the attendees was former Mayor of Amarillo, Jerry Hodge. Old Jerry was Mayor a couple of times. He's a prominent local businessman and a loyal Republican for as long as I have known him. When asked about the Republican candidates for president this year, Hodge said:

"I'm not here to support anybody," said Jerry Hodge of Clarendon. "None of them are impressive for this campaign."

Hodge, former Amarillo mayor and chairman of the board of multinational Maxor National Pharmacy Services Corp., did say he didn't want any more Bushes or Clintons in the White House. The country needs someone in office who can unite both parties..."


Amarillo is in the middle of Texas Senate district 31 - The reddest district in these United States. Early voter turnout for Democrats this year has already grown five-an-a-half times over 2004 turnout. In Potter county, 333 Democrats showed up for the entire primary/early voting period. This year, 1858 have voted in the first ten days.

If outsiders want to claim that Republicans are tooling with our primary, I say they don't know what the hell they're talking about. When a gland-handing Texas ex-mayor, tells a national news organization that he's not supporting any Republican - he means it.

link to story: http://www.amarillo.com/stories/022108/new_9662688.shtml
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