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12 12 2000 (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:26 PM Original message |
"Sacrosanct Israel" |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
1. Good luck, but America isn't ready for that conversation yet |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. exactly |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
18. DU isn't ready to have this conversation. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
65. What exactly do you want our stance to be? |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. A presidential candidate who disavowed Israel would immediately |
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Hieronymus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
55. I totally agree .. perhaps after Obama's elected. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:45 PM Response to Reply #2 |
79. See Brzezinski, one of Obama's foreign policy advisors... |
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ellacott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
3. Neither Dem Candidate would make that pledge |
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Big Blue Marble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. And how much support does Hillary give Israel? |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. If you think Obama's bad, just wait until you hear Hillary's position on Israel. |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Indeed - I'd cut them off tomorrow, but anyone wanting to get elected would be crazy to suggest that |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Even Howard Dean got flak for saying he'd have an "even-handed" approach... |
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AndyTiedye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. And They Are Trying to Run DK Out of Congress |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think our commitment to Israel should be sacrosanct. I don't think |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. I Don't... I Believe Support Should Be Conditional |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
84. Whatever replaces Israel would be a hell of a lot worse |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #6 |
99. Israel is only a democracy in the sense that Apartheid South Africa was. |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. I Agree with Your Sentiment on this Issue |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
12. Hmm that is a hot topic |
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L0oniX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
13. They way this country fawns over Israel you'd think it should become the 51st state. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Thankfully you're very much |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
71. There's more than enough blood to go around there |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #13 |
64. What does that make Syria and Iran? |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
14. Um.. a lesson in hisotry: Israel was ATTACKED in 1967 |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. What? |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. UN Resolution 242 |
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Moh96 (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
94. . |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. And many refugees who left did so voluntarily because |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I say screw 'em all. Israel should have never been formed in '47, and we have no business still |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
41. Well, Israel did not ask for your opinion, thank you |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. That's the thing - I don't dislike all things military. I just think the Israel Experiment has been |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. I think the Israelis might have a different opinion on that |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #51 |
59. By what objective measures are |
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WilyWondr (380 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
67. Here is one that wasn't |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:04 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. that's so arrogant and so absurd |
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laugle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
82. Thank you! nt |
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PCIntern (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #22 |
72. Like we care what you say... |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. I'm going to hate myself for typing this... |
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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. They weren't just about to attack Israel, the Arab press was full of gloating |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Yes... |
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Alhena (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Sorry- should have read your post better |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. No worries |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. Blocking the Straits of Tiran was an act of war |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. Actually |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #39 |
50. Delete |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #21 |
49. Yes, you're right on a technicality. But as you say, if you know |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
60. I think there's fault on both sides, just like any story involving humans |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Technically we're still holding territory captured last century in Iraq. |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #69 |
89. Really? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:51 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. I don't know... if this thing goes for McCain's 100 years |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:41 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. Tibet? nt |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:38 PM Response to Reply #77 |
90. I'll admit my ignorance of the specifics of that situation. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. LOL, yes you did. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #60 |
80. Israel withdrew from Gaza in the summer of 2005 |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. Oops... |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. Very good post, thank you. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:11 PM Response to Reply #21 |
62. You are correct, they had no option. |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. To be honest |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Um .. a lesson in hisotry [sic]: Israel actually did the ATTACKING in 1967. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. The West Bank was |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. The West Bank is an interesting case. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. Blockading the Straits of Tiran by Egypt was an act of war |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
53. Or allow the Palestinians living in Jordan now for generations |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. You know, the world is one long history of |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
73. True |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:39 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. I wasn't too keen on it, actually |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. Then it appears we agree on practically every point |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. Iraq and Kuwait is an interesting case |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #32 |
63. Of course Israel attacked in 1967. They had no choice. |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Um .. a lesson in hisotry [sic]: Israel actually did the ATTACKING in 1967. |
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leftynyc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. Thank you and well said |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
45. Get your history straight: Israel attacked first |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Blockading a major water ways, as Egypt done with the Straits of Tiran |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
58. Yes, and Israel kicked these people out of their own land in 1948 |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:09 PM Response to Reply #58 |
86. Israel did not steal anyone's land |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #86 |
96. At least some people here can be intellectually honest |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
16. So vote for Ron Paul and leave us Dems alone. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
23. The Democratic Party is fundamentally committed to the security of our ally Israel |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:03 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. 30% of our foreign aid goes to Israel as it is. A wee bit much, don't you think? |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. A small price to pay |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. I hear ya! Not sure about how to do the sarcasm thingy though. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #25 |
38. Considering that they are our only ally which is almost surrounded by enemies, it is a wonder |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Makes you wonder why in the hell was Israel put there in '47. Again, I couldn't care less about all |
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14thColony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
43. Not quite |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #38 |
102. Is Egypt our enemy? |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
46. Most of it comes back to purchase weapons |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 06:09 PM Response to Reply #25 |
75. make that claim, you better put up links |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
27. Does that go for Sri Lanka, Botswana, and Jamaica, too? |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
57. No oil in Israel |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:30 PM Response to Reply #57 |
70. Israel serves as a client state protecting "our" oil in the ME. |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Except Israel, which doesn't depend on the oil |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #70 |
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ProgressIn2008 (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
31. Obama: defense co-op between the US and Israel a model of success" |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
40. No one can win unless they take the standard line on Israel |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
61. "Ethnic Cleansing"? Hardly. |
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tokenlib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
66. In 2004, Howard Dean said we should be "even-handed" in the Middle East |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
83. You ain't gonna get a candidate whose going to turn on Israel |
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Moh96 (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-29-08 08:58 PM Response to Original message |
95. As Palestinian-American I still support Obama after what he said in the Debate |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:28 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Wow. Quite a story you share. |
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moodforaday (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
97. Recommended viewing / reading |
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subsuelo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-02-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #97 |
103. Thanks |
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LeftyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
100. The US should not be in the business of supporting oppresive regimes. Period. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-01-08 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
101. IMO George Bush and Dick Cheney do not equall the United States and |
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