Ickes now says Obama must win "decisively" on Tuesday or fight goes on

Heard on news tonight that Harold Ickes of Clinton's campaign is now saying that if Obama does not win "decisively" on Tuesday given all the money advantage he has and all the media bias in his favor that THAT will show that he is not the best choice for Democrats going forward.

That is not an exact quote and I do not have a link but it captures the gist of it.

I think he has a point. Clinton has a huge amount of delegates and votes, although less than Obama, and represents a lot of people with those delegates and votes. She should not throw in the towel, especially when you look at how well she has done in the primaries where many more people participate. Primaries are much more like the general election than Cauci are.

I say if she even comes close the fight goes on. POWER TO THE PEOPLE!

Wolverines made good housepets would you believe him? Im sure after Obama is elected she will vow to fight on as well. Sheesh.

I guess that's how its got to go.


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the party is ready for this to be over, regardless of whether Hillary is.

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You really enjoy slug fests this much?

If people aren't voting her, that says it all. If obama even ties, HRC has a problem.

Obama is no different.

you win hillary im completly confused, like you wanted.

significant amount.

She's hemorraging Superdelegates every day.....

The only way to "keep score" on Tuesday is the delegate count. If Obama's lead stays the same or grows, it doesn't matter what the vote numbers were in the state.


As the Clintons told us over and over in Dec and Jan.... it's all about the delegates.

believe anything that Harold Ickes or Hillary's campaign has to say after they have totally disgraced her, some is her own doing, but she has got to have the worst campaign ever.

no offense, and nice to meet you ArizonaJosie:hi:

Not much of a compliment to Obama is it?

...and as we pass the 75-yard point, Obama has moved ahead.


Obama has won 11 straight contests... and 24 out of 35. He leads in Delegates by more than 100... in popular vote by almost 1,000,000.


You look at that and say Hillary is "almost beating" Obama?


Sure.... ok.

;-)

That would equate to losing.

She should be winning. She should have put him away in January.

I tend to agree Hillary shouldn't quit unless it is likely she cannot win with even 50% of the super delegates if her goal is to go for the long shot.

But let's ot parse her campaign failures. Her staff failed her with a stupid plan A, and no plan B. The hopes of winning rest on a DLC strategy that failed in 2000, 2002 and 2004 and was replaced by a newer more effective 50 state strategy that worked in 2006.

Is Hillary a bad candidate? no. but her campaign is an unmitigated disaster, and though I would happily vote for her in the 2008 general election, I have to give pause to supporting her in the primaries and caucuses based on the management skills I have thus far seen.

I watched in 2006 as my Cardinals beat the Tigers in what was supposed to be a lopsided Detroit victory in the world series. That gives a great example as to why it's important to actually play the games. I have no problem with Clinton continuing through Puerto Rico for the same reasons, as long as there is a fourth game to win. It won't hurt the party. It might hurt feelings on the microcosm we call DU.

If Obama wins 4 of 7 seven games (continuing the world series analogy as applied to delegates) she should drop out and unify the party. Before that, she can fight it out as long as she wants.

In short, There is nothing werong with her continuing, but let's not spin it negatively against Obama, either.

If he felt his candidate was going to win OH and TX, he would not be changing the goalposts to say that Obama needs a "decisive win".


He's not liking what he is seeing... and he wants the media narrative Tuesday night to be "Obama wins Ohio and Texas, but Hillary keeps it very close - soldiers on."

"Heard on news tonight that Harold Ickes of Clinton's campaign is now saying that if Obama does not win "decisively" on Tuesday given all the money advantage he has and all the media bias in his favor that THAT will show that he is not the best choice for Democrats going forward."

Didn't Hillary at one point have all the money and the polls and media advantage? She hasn't quite 'won decisively' either, no?

So is she not the best choice for the Democrats going forward?

BTW despite the historical ignorance, this is like saying that you are not truly the Superbowl champion if you don't win by 30.

Hillary gets Ohio and Peter Griffin blue-collar RI, Obama gets (caucus state) Texas and "Ben and Jerry's" Vermont - that Exurb of the Upper West Side -- and it's STILLL on, babies!

It's still on, Obamababies! And/or Obamatrons! And/or Emobamatrons! We're just 2 months into this 5-month nominating process (as Harold Ickes recently said.) Give us 3 more months. Something will happen to remind us that the world (and experience) still matters, or Obama will gaffe (or they'll come out with a new xBox and the Obama Youth will be on to their next shiny object.)

GOMAMA!

by Thursday of next week.

I have to admit, the SD movement over the past week is troubling. Hillary still has a chance: she has to do well enough on Tuesday to be able to stay in. We're 2 months through a 5 month primary process. If she can find reason to stay in that people will buy, she still has a chance. Three long months, then, for Obama to megagaffe, or for something to happen in the world to remind people that experience still counts, or for the entertainment/advertising industrial complex to come out with a new Xbox, and the kiddies will be on to their next shiny object.

Can she survive past Tuesday enough to be able to sit back and wait? We shall see!

The party will let it last that long. That is 3 months of McCain running uncontested swiping at Democrats while Obama and Hillary tear each other down. That is potentially $100M in dollars wasted facing off Obama and Hillary against each other instead of focusing that money against McCain.

This is not a 5 month process, it is over very soon.

you clearly know jackshit about VT. And it pisses me off to see my state described that way. I live here. I know what it's like. And I live in the Northeast Kingdom, where unemployment is sky high and people eke out a living from small farms and logging and working in the service industry or small business. And, Hillbot, it's over if she loses either TX or OH. She'll just be a walking joke if she decideds to fight on after that. And the SDs know it's over. Get used to it, hillbot.

Dem nomination - that if the people in the convention hall don't have a 1 hour standing ovation - then this means that its not over for HRC and the "fight goes on". (sarcasm)

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Zombie bots start appearing like grunion.

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the trolls are out in force. Do they turn into blood-sucking vampires at the strike of midnite? :shrug:

Sounds like they've been bolted onto a speeding truck.

I want my delegates to lay gold eggs for Denver!



I want my geese to lay gold eggs for November

Bill:
It will, sweetheart

Hill:
At least a hundred a day

Bill:
Anything you say

Hill:
And by the way

Bill:
What?

Hill:
I want a feast.

Bill:
You ate before you came to the factory

Hill:
I want a bean feast!

Bill:
Oh, one of those

Hill:
Cream buns and doughnuts and fruitcake with no nuts
So good you could go nuts

Bill:
We can have all those things when we win an election

Hill:
No, Now!

I want a convention
I want a party

Pink macaroons and a million balloons
And performing baboons and ...

Give it to me
Rrhh rhhh
NOW!!!!!!

I want the world
I want the whole world

I want to lock it all up in my pocket
It's my bar of chocolate

Give it to me
Now!

I want today
I want tomorrow

I want to wear 'em like braids in my hair and
I don't want to share 'em

I want a Dem party with room fulls of laughter
Ten thousand tons of ice cream

And if I don't get the things I am after

I'm going... to... scream!

I want the works
I want the whole works

Presents and prizes and sweets and surprises
Of all shapes and sizes

And now
Don't care how
I want it now
Don't care how
I want it no-o-owww....

She Was a Bad Egg http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4736123#4743366

If she loses either TX or OH and stays in, she'll be a punch line on late night TV.

It really is just about over for her.

staying in the race past March 4.

Seriously. We could all float off into fucking space if Barrack is the nominee!!!

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Go Hillary.

and he thinks the race will go all the way to the convention.

in a few weeks, and on this I trust Dean a lot more than Dennis. Love Dennis, but I don't think his political analysis is so hot.

I got the impression from Biden that he thinks it'll all shake itself out fairly soon, too.

Rhode Island might be what should decide this whole thing.

I bet that Obama could win TX and OH by sixty percent, and the Hillary campaign or her sycophants would come out and say that those two didn't count, he must win PA, and oh, let's have another debate:eyes:

Obama must walk on water or he cannot win the nomination.

If Senator Clinton had a lick of sense, she'd dump her campaign staff.

A year before the Iowa caucus would have been the best time. This morning before noon would be the next best time.

The fight SHOULD go on!

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Because otherwise, they would say he has to win TX AND OH rather than simply ridiculous.

Welcome to DU. And remember you can only post 3 threads on GDP every day. It seems you have wasted them very quickly today.