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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:01 PM
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Chasing Kerry in Texas
March 01, 2008

Chasing Kerry in Texas

A mistakenly forwarded internal Clinton campaign email exchange offers a glimpse behind the scenes at the scramble for every vote in Texas -- in this case, for veterans in the Rio Grande valley.

The email thread went out yesterday below a press release on veterans' issues that seems to have been sent to the campaign's veterans' list.

In the first email, Clinton adviser Burns Strider emailed Texas spokeswoman Adrienne Elrod, Howard Wolfson, and several other top Clinton aides.

THIS HAPPENED THIS MORNING: This morning Senator Clinton’s staff contacted Senator Cornyn’s staff and added her name as a co-sponsor to S. 1838, a bill to bring a VA Hospital to the Rio Grande Valley. Senator Clinton’s commitment to providing a state-of-the-art VA hospital to the Veterans of the Valley is real and she will see that it happens as President.

See article below… we need to move her cosponsorship asap… it’s a critical issue to valley veterans and they are moving emails now that Kerry is on the bill and, even though, they have been asking the other campaigns to get on Clinton has not… It may be the Obama is getting on and we need to get something out first if at all possible… anyway, Kerry’s getting on seems to be favoring Obama too in some of the vets corners… can you help??

Elrod responded:

Looping in Dana, Sonia, and Peter – guys can you move this quickly? I saw the front page story in the Rio Grande Guardian about JFK’s support of this today. Let’s move this fast. Are we doing a release from official office on her co-sponsorship?

The press release below which this exchange noted the launch of a new veterans' website.

And there's nothing really unusual about the exchange -- just a glimpse at how, below the frantic scramble on the surface of the campaigns, there's an even more frantic scramble behind the scenes, and dozens of different targets in each state. In this case, John Kerry's work on an obscure veterans' bill -- totally unnoticed in the mainstream media -- seems to have precipitated the mini-crisis.

Politico contributor Gebe Martinez, on a similar note, recently emailed that the Clinton campaign scrambled to put Bill Clinton out in Del Rio, TX, after the Obama campaign sent John Kerry there.


Kerry campaigning in Texas for Obama


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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:23 PM
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1. Video of Kerry at a campaign stop
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:23 PM
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2. She is throwing her name onto bills for political expediency
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 01:24 PM by dkf
just to be tactical or something.

Finger to the wind Hillary.

BTW, good job John Kerry. :yourock:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:24 PM
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5. Kerry has always crafted solid legislation for vets and military issues. It's never for politics
and image - it's sincere concern for the needs of vets and their families and concern for this nation.

This exchange from Hillary camp is SAD....pathetic and sad.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:25 PM
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Last fall, watching some of the Senate voting on the defense bill
that was obvious. Senator Feingold introduced him amendment to link the funding to a commitment to withdraw in a fixed amount of time - saying that he was introducing it for himself and a list of Senators - not including HRC. Later minutes before the vote, Feingold asked to speak and asked that Senator Clinton's name to be included. The vote occurred with HRC not voting. Later that day, driving in my car, I heard a snippet of HRC speaking from Iowa telling people that she and Senator Feingold had done this.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:31 PM
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9. I'll just say it
I think the Clintons have dirt on Feingold. I don't understand him not running, sitting the primary out, and putting up with the shit you described, otherwise.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 03:50 PM
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15. I'm not sure about that - I've never heard of anyone
denying someone the ability to co-sponsor something. As to not running, I never had the feeling that his heart was completely in as say - Kerry's was.

A worse example was on the Levin amendment that was the alternative to Kerry/Feingold - the people behind it did not want prospective Presidential candidates on it, but they added her when her Senate speech said she was co-sponsoring it.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:03 PM
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16. I disagree, he had such support
He was almost a shoe-in. I don't mean the co-sponsoring part, I mean her saying it was her and Feingold's bill. I just can't figure out why he's not involved in the most exciting Dem Primary in decades. It makes no sense to me.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:15 PM
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17. You mean in running or in more actively supporting someone?
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 04:20 PM by karynnj
He did essentially call Edwards a phony and he said he voted for Obama in the primary. It may just be his personality - he seems more low key and introverted than most politicians.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:20 PM
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18. All of it combined
First he doesn't run. Then he doesn't endorse. Now that Wisconsin is past, he says he voted for Obama but he isn't campaigning for him. She fought him hard on campaign finance reform, years ago. It's beyond me to believe he doesn't oppose the Clintons. I just can't understand him sitting the whole thing out when he obviously has an opinion.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:22 PM
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19. I agree with you
I can't remember where I read his comments on her trying to keep loopholes rather than close them on campaign finance.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 05:40 AM
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41. it could be that one will go back in the Senate and doesn't want
to leave any bad feelings if the one he opposed went back to the Senate. he isn't going to work with Edwards so he feels more free to say whatever he wants about him.

but i was surprised that he went as far as to say he was considering Hillary because of the incident you mention. at the very least i would think he just wouldn't say anything. i know much earlier on he was leaning Obama more. maybe he thinks Obama will win so there is no point in harming the relationship with Hillary.

as for him not running for President many thought it was unlikely he would run or win after he got a divorce just a year or 2 ago.

but Feingold has a history of doing things that one wouldn't expect from a liberal. while most would say he is liberal he does have positions such as support almost anyone the President appoints. and during Clinton's impeachment he voted with the Republicans on one of the things.

he voted to end the ban on weapons but i think that was for political reasons. he was up re-election and hunting is an issue for his state.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:37 PM
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3. Video: Kerry and Biden press conference
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 01:59 PM
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4. Still the guy I'd like to see actually IN the White House
It's ironic that Democrats believe the country is more ready to elect a woman or a black man than a, gasp, Massachusetts Liberal!!!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:27 PM
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7. Agreed. The last liberal Senator that was President, wasn't half bad if you ask me.
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 02:27 PM by Kerry2008
I wish America were ready for another JFK :)

I was definitely ready in 2004. And ready again in 2008, before he decided against running.
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:25 PM
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6. He may be over twice my age, but I'll chase the Senator any day ;)
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:28 PM
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8. I can't help myself...
I must be a terrible Democrat. I still love my Senators..Kerry and Kennedy. I don't know what happened to me, in that I haven't been able to denounce and reject my support for them. I saw Kerry at the Q&A Texas speech, and once again...God help me...I was impressed. When reviewing their voting records, I see things there that that no one else does. I must be delusional!
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PresidentObama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:32 PM
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10. I wish my Senators were Kerry/Kennedy. Wanna trade? I have McCaskill (DINO-MO) and Bond (Bush R-MO)
Please :(
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:35 PM
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11. Anyone ABLE to read this nation's REAL history the last 35 years recognizes the importance
of Kerry's efforts in preserving the truth and uncovering government corruption.

I occasionally challenge those at DU who knock him to take Kerry's work completely OUT of the last 35years of our governance - no uncovering of IranContra, no uncovering or unraveling of BCCI, no concern for CIA drugrunning......what would have happened?

I am quite certain, given the agenda we learned of in those illegal operations, that this nation would be in its 10th year of New World Order - full on fascism would have replaced democracy long ago.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:36 PM
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12. This is fascinating especially in light of the nasty Hilary Rosen comments on Tucker Carlson
Carlson asked as a serious question of which endorsement would help or hurt more - Louis Farrachan or John Kerry. Rosen totally bashed Kerry - bad candidate (she needs to look closer to home for that), doesn't bring much ...

Knowing that Kerry did steal the news cycle from HRC's NH win, has a 3 million email list, and made a great case for Obama - it sounded like sour grapes. When you throw in that Kerry has been an outstanding surrogate - better than Bill Clinton for HRC - it's clear there's some jealousy here.

But the VERY VERY best thing here is that it is completely fitting that Kerry is winning veteran support for Obama. HRC piling on the botched joke apparently did not lead these veterans to ignore the Senator, who is one of them and who has always had their issues near his heart. Kerry is the real deal - HRC signs on at the last minute for political gain.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:43 PM
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13. Rosen has been going after Howard Dean quite a bit trying to undermine his authority.
I really appreciate the hard work Kerry and Kennedy are doing in particular.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 02:59 PM
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14. Rosen is on MSNBC incredibly often as the "Democrat"
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 02:59 PM by karynnj
She is awful to Obama, Kerry, Dean and anyone other than the Clintons - yet she's never introduced as an HRC spokeswoman. I think that Kerry and Kennedy are having a great time backing Obama.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 09:26 PM
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36. They are
pathetic people. It's amazing the level of suck up that comes with supporting Hillary. It's like Marcia Pappas from NOW-NYS.


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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:29 PM
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35. I saw that Carlson thing
a few days ago, so disgusting I did not even want to bring it up...
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:27 PM
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20. Yick, it is that type of behind the scenes garbage that makes me happy I'm not in politics
professionally. Ick.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:59 PM
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23. Depends how you read it
What I see looking at it rather obliquely is that the Clinton campaign is worried that they are losing a significant block of support. The reason though is a good one - in fact one that really makes me feel good.

1) In spite of all the lies of the SBVT and the joke (that HRC piled on), the truth is what is important. These veterans trust Kerry enough that he can influence their support.
2) That support comes from continual good work done - and would not have happened if he just co-sponsored a bunch of stuff without any work.

The rest, that they worry enough about Kerry's effectiveness that they are counter programming with Bill Clinton is just gravy.

I watched the road to the White House and what was clear - especially in the Q&A is that Kerry is really having a conversation with these people and is answering their concerns on Obama, while Clinton seemed to be rattling through a scripted spiel. I am incredibly biased on each of these people - in opposite directions, but to my eyes, while there was a lot of excitement seeing Clinton - as you would expect - there was more real communication with Kerry.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:29 PM
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21. and do you for 1 second think that Obama's team doesn't do the same thing?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:46 PM
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24. With all her 'experience' TeamClinton has to chase Kerry because HE IS THE REAL DEAL and always
has been and THEY ALL KNOW IT.

His honesty and integrity is EXACTLY what the Bush and Clinton type politicians fear in other lawmakers and they will work against them at every turn.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:52 PM
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26. yup Kerry who also voted for IWR
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:56 PM
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28. and STOOD AGAINST Bush's decision to invade when weapon inspections were working
to prove force was not needed.

THAT is integrity. That is something ANY and all of the IWR voters SHOULD have done - it would have made a greater impact on the debate if they had.

But they stood by Bush's decision instead and now you support that choice.

And you;'ll even pretend that closed government is acceptable as long as it is being done by anyone named Clinton.
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AGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 04:32 PM
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22. oh no, the Clinton campaign is so corrupted, dirty OH NO!! lets have a mental jerk off!
Edited on Sat Mar-01-08 04:32 PM by AGirl
oh yeah oh yeah Clinton ..that..dirty...corrupted...B****...oh yeah OOOHH OOOH OOHHH *ORGASM*
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:47 PM
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25. K & R
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 05:55 PM
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27. OH HELL NO!!!
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!! She is NOT going to get away with this!

My parents joined the fight to get a VA Hospital in the Valley IN THE 70's!!! They worked as hard as they knew how to do, especially after my mom's friend's drive to Audie Murphy from Hell with her husband.

I'm sorry, but I am LIVID that over thirty fucking years later, AFTER she had 8 years in the White House, only NOW is Clinton advocating for a Veteran's Hospital!!! That was one of the first things out of her mouth when she came to McAllen a few weeks ago & I was really pissed then too!

FUCK NO FUCK NO FUCK NO, I will NOT let her get away with this crap!

dg
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:12 PM
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32. What In The World Are You Blathering About?
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:19 PM
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33. Read the content of the internal emails
I'm not blathering.

dg
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:20 PM
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34. I Did. They Were Perfectly Fine.
Your emotional tirade just seemed, well, a bit odd and overdone.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:28 PM
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37. As an observor, I think that he/she added local context that was relevant.
From what he says, this is a situation that has been fought since the 1970s. The problem is that the distance, which is way too long now was just as long in the 1970s, 1980s, and 1990s - and people have been fighting since then. It is relevant that apparently the Clinton administration was not supportive and that she scrambled to get on as a co-sponsor only after JK was down there to vouch for Obama to vets who trust him on veterans issues.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:53 PM
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40. Thanks for that
Don't know if it will do much good with (ignored) but thanks for trying. :)

dg
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 12:12 PM
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45. You're welcome - I was appalled that someone attacked you for giving information that you knew
personally. It is much harder to post from your own experience, than to post with links to articles, the Senate record, websites or just logic based things publicly known. The response to you was beyond rude and was because they could not counter the truth that you wrote. It is sad, and I am one that was oblivious to it, but the leadership of this country - Democrats as well as Republicans - have often been less faithful to the promises made to veterans when they signed up. The poster likely had no factual response that President Clinton had worked to correct this.

Kerry is one of the few leaders who has a decades long record that matches the words he speaks on this. Knowing that, if Obama wins, Kerry will have his ear on this likely does mean something to the veterans there.
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iilana X Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:04 PM
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29. I just have to say this.
John Kerry is still the best. He makes me proud to be a democrat.

His work for Obama makes me remember how much work he did for democrats in 2006. Every time he's emailed to ask for a donation to Barack Obama's campaign, I have donated. And every time I see Obama on television speaking in front of huge crowds, I am so proud of JK. He did the right thing once again. So has Ted Kennedy and all the others who came out to support Obama after he lost New Hampshire.

Thank you, John Kerry.

GOBAMA!!!!!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 07:09 PM
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31. Kerry has always worked his butt off for the Dem party and integrity of government.
Those who sought to undermine him at every turn over the last twenty years are reaping what they have sown now. They exposed themselves and their agenda when they worked against Gore and Kerry and deserve every arrow coming their way now.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:34 PM
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38. True - did you see this on the "Kerry Precident"
(from a Wisteria post in the JK group)
Group seeks details on lobbyist meetings



A watchdog group is trying to get the remaining presidential contenders to live up to what it is billing as the "Kerry precedent."

The Center for Public Integrity this week noted that in April 2004, shortly after he locked up the Democratic nomination for president, Sen. John F. Kerry, D-Mass., took the unprecedented step of releasing details of every meeting he had held with a lobbyist dating to 1989.

Kerry revealed nearly 200 meetings with lobbyists in an attempt to say he could defend every one. The group is asking this year's candidates to take the same pledge. But according to a statement it issued this week, none has taken the time to respond to the Center's inquiries.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5583891.html

I am amazed that Kerry gave them 15 years of contacts. I hope our nominee in 2008 will do the same - and I think it more likely with Obama. That could be used to paint McCain as what he really is with all his lobbyists.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 10:47 AM
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44. Kerry did so much right in 2003-4 and its shameful that those who undermined him
were also in the position to control the disparaging of him in the corporate media the last few years.
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politicasista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 06:05 PM
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30. K&R
:kick:
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-01-08 10:35 PM
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39. It seems they are a step behind, and as flimsy as a cardboard axle.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 10:14 AM
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48. Can you imagine this team trying to take on Bush-Rove in 2004, with the targeted state strategy
they had forced upon the DNC over the years slowing them down even more?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:01 AM
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42. heehee
He's probably never do it and they probably won't ask him but I know a certain fellow that would make the scariest Attorney General ever. ;)
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 07:27 AM
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43. Hillary uses our troops as pawns for political purposes.
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 07:28 AM by Major Hogwash
The very same thing we despise Bush for doing, making decisions about the war in Iraq based on the political climate and the expediency of him trying to look good.

When Hillary said last year that she wouldn't pull our troops out of Iraq "until her 2nd term", then changed it to "one brigade a month" and then changed it to "within 60 days", I knew she was just playing politics with our soldiers.

And that's not good, folks.

I would not recommend anyone ever try do that again in the age of the internet.
Youtube is a tool that can be used to make any politician look like an idiot for making so many policy changes during a single campaign.

Her policies on the Iraq War were not very good, and she fought to "stay the course."
That's it in a nutshell.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 03:51 PM
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46. Kerry on Hillary's 3 AM ad
Edited on Sun Mar-02-08 03:52 PM by ProSense
KERRY: Well, first of all, Wolf, the question applies to both of them. And the person asking the question really is culpable here of a fear tactic. I might add, you know, most of the time I think people are going to hear that phone ringing, and they're going to rush to answer the phone and not see the ad.

But leaving that aside, it strikes me that the ad is really deception and disingenuous. Hillary Clinton has never received a 3 a.m. in the morning telephone call as a senator or as a first lady. And secondly, when asked, when her campaign was asked, well, what crisis has she ever faced in which she's made a difference in foreign policy, they really couldn't answer.

They tried to say, well, she made a speech in China or something like that. The fact is that she had a red phone moment, as Barack Obama said. Her red phone moment was on the war in Iraq, and she chose the Bush course, the wrong course.

She had a red phone moment in Iran. When Senator Dodd, Senator Biden, Senator Obama, myself opposed the policy, she chose the Bush policy on Iran. She had a red phone moment. The fact is that Barack Obama comes to this race with more experience than George Bush, Ronald Reagan or Bill Clinton had in foreign policy at the national level. And the fact is that he has proven that it's his judgment that is correct. That's what the American people are voting for, and I believe they will see clearly that's a scare tactic. And in fact, it raises an issue which falls, in my judgment, in Barack Obama's favor.

link




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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-02-08 09:23 PM
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47. Excellent rebuttal. I wish Kerry had a Kerry-quality spokesperson working for him in 2004.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:27 PM
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49. Kerry in RI
PROVIDENCE -- U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., on Monday urged supporters of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama in Rhode Island to turn out at the polls.

Rhode Island holds its presidential primary on Tuesday. The polls will be open until 9 p.m. Ohio, Texas and Vermont also hold presidential primaries.

Kerry described why he thinks Obama has the experience to be the next president.

"No matter who wins this, we're all going to band together and unite and support a Democratic nominee. Everybody has a right to have a different point of view about who they think may or may not be able to get the job done," Kerry said.

Kerry said it's up to the voters to decide whether the campaign continues past Tuesday.

"This is a bright moment in American politics. I like what's happening in the Democratic Party because more people are coming out to vote in the Democratic Party in our caucuses and primaries than all the people put together in the Republican Party," Kerry said.

A Brown University poll released Sunday showed Clinton with a 5 percentage point lead over Obama in Rhode Island, but about a fifth of those polled said they were undecided.

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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:31 PM
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50. Every time I see the name Kerry
I think of his IWR vote and how he hasn't said "I'm sorry for my vote."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 04:40 PM
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51. Everytime you make this comment, I point out the inaccuracy of it and more.
Kerry 2003:

The way Powell, Eagleberger, Scowcroft, and the others were talking at the time, continued Kerry, I felt confident that Bush would work with the international community. I took the President at his word. We were told that any course would lead through the United Nations, and that war would be an absolute last resort. Many people I am close with, both Democrats and Republicans, who are also close to Bush told me unequivocally that no decisions had been made about the course of action. Bush hadn't yet been hijacked by Wolfowitz, Perle, Cheney and that whole crew. Did I think Bush was going to charge unilaterally into war? No. Did I think he would make such an incredible mess of the situation? No. Am I angry about it? You're God damned right I am. I chose to believe the President of the United States. That was a terrible mistake.

History defends this explanation. The Bush administration brought Resolution 1441 to the United Nations in early November of 2002 regarding Iraq, less than a month after the Senate vote. The words "weapons inspectors" were prominent in the resolution, and were almost certainly the reason the resolution was approved unanimously by the Security Council. Hindsight reveals that Bush's people likely believed the Hussein regime would reject the resolution because of those inspectors. When Iraq opened itself to the inspectors, accepting the terms of 1441 completely, the administration was caught flat-footed, and immediately began denigrating the inspectors while simultaneously piling combat troops up on the Iraq border. The promises made to Kerry and the Senate that the administration would work with the U.N., would give the inspectors time to complete their work, that war would be an action of last resort, were broken.

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Kerry, unlike Hillary, spoke out against Bush several times before Bush invaded, including this speech at Georgetown University on Thursday, January 23, 2003:

As our government conducts one war and prepares for another, I come here today to make clear that we can do a better job of making our country safer and stronger. We need a new approach to national security - a bold, progressive internationalism that stands in stark contrast to the too often belligerent and myopic unilateralism of the Bush Administration. I offer this new course at a critical moment for the country that we love, and the world in which we live and lead. Thanks to the work and sacrifice of generations who opposed aggression and defended freedom, for others as well as ourselves, America now stands as the world's foremost power. We should be proud: Not since the age of the Romans have one people achieved such preeminence. But we are not Romans; we do not seek an empire. We are Americans, trustees of a vision and a heritage that commit us to the values of democracy and the universal cause of human rights. So while we can be proud, we must be purposeful and mindful of our principles: And we must be patient - aware that there is no such thing as the end of history. With great power, comes grave responsibility.

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Second, without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. He miscalculated an eight-year war with Iran. He miscalculated the invasion of Kuwait. He miscalculated America's response to that act of naked aggression. He miscalculated the result of setting oil rigs on fire. He miscalculated the impact of sending scuds into Israel and trying to assassinate an American President. He miscalculated his own military strength. He miscalculated the Arab world's response to his misconduct. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm.

So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War. Regrettably the current Administration failed to take the opportunity to bring this issue to the United Nations two years ago or immediately after September 11th, when we had such unity of spirit with our allies. When it finally did speak, it was with hasty war talk instead of a coherent call for Iraqi disarmament. And that made it possible for other Arab regimes to shift their focus to the perils of war for themselves rather than keeping the focus on the perils posed by Saddam's deadly arsenal. Indeed, for a time, the Administration's unilateralism, in effect, elevated Saddam in the eyes of his neighbors to a level he never would have achieved on his own, undermining America's standing with most of the coalition partners which had joined us in repelling the invasion of Kuwait a decade ago.

In U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the United Nations has now affirmed that Saddam Hussein must disarm or face the most serious consequences. Let me make it clear that the burden is resoundingly on Saddam Hussein to live up to the ceasefire agreement he signed and make clear to the world how he disposed of weapons he previously admitted to possessing. But the burden is also clearly on the Bush Administration to do the hard work of building a broad coalition at the U.N. and the necessary work of educating America about the rationale for war. As I have said frequently and repeat here today, the United States should never go to war because it wants to, the United States should go to war because we have to. And we don't have to until we have exhausted the remedies available, built legitimacy and earned the consent of the American people, absent, of course, an imminent threat requiring urgent action.

The Administration must pass this test. I believe they must take the time to do the hard work of diplomacy. They must do a better job of making their case to the American people and to the world.

I have no doubt of the outcome of war itself should it be necessary. We will win. But what matters is not just what we win but what we lose. We need to make certain that we have not unnecessarily twisted so many arms, created so many reluctant partners, abused the trust of Congress, or strained so many relations, that the longer term and more immediate vital war on terror is made more difficult. And we should be particularly concerned that we do not go alone or essentially alone if we can avoid it, because the complications and costs of post-war Iraq would be far better managed and shared with United Nation's participation. And, while American security must never be ceded to any institution or to another institution's decision, I say to the President, show respect for the process of international diplomacy because it is not only right, it can make America stronger - and show the world some appropriate patience in building a genuine coalition. Mr. President, do not rush to war.



Kerry has never wavered in calling out Bush on his immoral war, and he led the effort to set a deadline for withdrawal.

Hillary Clinton's problem has been not only her silence, but also her inability to explain her position with clarity and consistency.

Also, where was Hillary when Bill was "repeatedly" defending "Bush against the left on Iraq"?


"I have repeatedly defended President Bush against the left on Iraq, even though I think he should have waited until the U.N. inspections were over," Clinton said in a Time magazine interview that will hit newsstands Monday, a day before the publication of his book "My Life."

Clinton, who was interviewed Thursday, said he did not believe that Bush went to war in Iraq over oil or for imperialist reasons but out of a genuine belief that large quantities of weapons of mass destruction remained unaccounted for.


In the middle of the 2004 campaign to make Bush a one-term president (select) for his illegal invasion, Bill Clinton was defending him.

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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-03-08 06:46 PM
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52. I think you have a narrow view of the world. Can you name ONE lawmaker in DC
who has uncovered and exposed more serious government corruption in the last 35 years than John Kerry has?

You SHOULD be thinking that without John Kerry's efforts this nation would be in its 10th year of full on Fascism by now.
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