As a Sen. Clinton supporter, a request.

If Sen. Obama is the nominee, please recognize that demanding I "embrace", "accept" or "join" those supporting Sen. Obama will be counter productive. If he's the nominee, he will be relentlessly attacked and smeared. We will need much more than feel good phrases and chants, we'll ALL need to roll up sleeves and get to the hard work of putting a Democrat in the White House.

When I read "endorsements" of Sen. Obama, such as these in a thread from yesterday, I've got to be honest, it scares the s*** out of me.

Not because of the cult like tone, but because nobody sounds as if they're really prepared for the reality of a GE election in which the opposing candidate offers an iron clad guarantee of keeping the war machine going for the elite.

When I read these posts, I have great concern that the first concerted effort to destroy enthusiasm for Sen. Obama will be a success, because the starry eyed supporters will get their hearts broken and give up the fight.





















OK, change, got it, but, one damn thing is going to stay EXACTLY the same. And that will be the savaging of the D candidate in the RW owned MSM.

When I read "endorsements" like this, besides sounding a tad creepy, it also causes me concern that the most ardent supporters, who seem to have least grasp of actual policy positions which the Senator holds, will be the first to fold like chairs the second the attacks begin.

On edit, please just have some understanding of why we who are neutral or supporting Sen. Clinton are a little skittish.

That is all.

Good for you.

I'm sure there are many others here who will agree with you, and many others who disagree.

Me, I just rolled my eyes at you. Do what you will, but this thread is not as helpful as you may think it is.

I'm sure someone will care enough to cherry pick some of the borderline, insane HRC supporters posts to post in this thread.

:-)

I see Hillary winning this Nomination. I think Obama has peaked. February was a good month for Obama but March is for Hillary. After March 4th, John Edwards and Gov. Richardson will endorse Hillary. She will then take Pennsylvania and Mississippi.

Just say, I hope all the Obama supporters follow your suggestion. I certainly would love their company in winning the Presidency.

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I've lost count, but it sure is many :evilgrin:

getting the memo.:hi:

post to "embrace the change" and "don't be afraid, she is our blank slate", but I haven't seen it.

The hyperbole is not what I would ever expect to see in a political process.

Yes, Clinton is well on her way to winning, and will win MS. What universe do you live in?

They have tasers there too.

President Obama, Jan. 09.

That was about as close as an endorsement for Obama as one could give - without just outright saying it. Come wednesday, it's over.

they are too crowded.

Wednesday.


1) And that the party will have to end the campaign and come together on Wednesday.

As there is only one candidate that can be in a position to do that it was obvious who he was talking about.

If he was going to endorse Clinton it would have been before Tuesday when it would have done some help.

I don't have a link yet but leave your tv on CNN and it will come up again.

2)Clinton supporters have already admitted that with proportional distribution of delegates it is impossible to catch up

http://www.observer.com/2008/schumer-avoiding-self-destructive-end-clinton-vs-obama
Schumer also suggested that the current system of awarding pledged delegates is flawed. "The delegate counts are so close, and you can win a state by quite a lot and you still don't win the delegates by quite a lot,” he said. "Maybe that's a flawed system. But that will be for the next election, not this one.

"I think if you win a district 55 to 45," he said. "The delegates shouldn't be three to three. Yes, I think proportional representation makes some sense but they sort of overdid it."


3) Obama didn't have a good February he won 11 straight primaries/caucuses by blow out.

4) Re March there are a total of 502 delegates at stake

Mar 4 444 delegates

Texas alone 228

If she doesn't win Texas by substantial margins she will lose even more delegates in March


She continues to lose support in Super Delegates

It could happen.

I'd like to point out, however, that Obama and his campaign seem to have learned from the past, and they appear to have their eyes wide open. And that's far more important than what a handful of his supporters here say. You should take some reassurance from how he's run his campaign so far. I've been saying for some time that Obama is a very savvy fighter. Looks to me like he has killer political instincts that are wrapped in a pleasant package.

It's the chanting without substance thing that concerns me.

Some of his supporters seem to have gone beyond cheering him on to win the WH, and have become very emotionally attached. I worry, should he be the nominee, that they will be the easiest to disillusion by the MSM, possibly turning them off from participating in politics for a long time.

cali, :toast:

or won't be attacked by the GOP. Of course he will. He's proven to be adept at confronting attacks and neutralizing them, from both Hillary and the GOP, and I expect that will continue. Please stop with the naive cult BS. Only Hillary supporters see that--I sure as fuck don't. Obama supporters actually tend to be quite pragmatic--Hillary supporters are the ones who now have baseless faith in their candidate.

If he's the nominee, his family, every word he speaks, anything and everything he's ever said and done, will be attacked, twisted, blasted from the airwaves 24/7.

I'm glad he's proven himself to be quick witted and sharp in his responses to a fellow Democratic primary opponent. When a nominee is chosen, they will instantly be a target of derision, false accusations and baseless hurtful speculation.

I worry that those whose talk about "riding the change" and I could post you a couple of links if you'd like, are not seeing the reality lurking around the corner.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and that's OK with me. I appreciate the pragmatists on both sides.

spent 10 minutes disassociating himself from Farrakhan at the debate, he's had to reassure Jews he's not going to sell out Israel, he once wore a turban-thingie in Africa, he attended/didn't attend a madrassa, Rezko! Rezko!, he's unpatriotic/no flag pin/no hand on his heart for anthem, his wife is ashamed of America, he's all style, just pretty words, where's the beef, enough with the speeches and big rallies, plagiarism, Ronald Reagan-lover, too liberal but too willing to work with Repubs, told Canada he didn't mean it, won SC just like Jesse Jackson, only latte-sipping limousine liberals and blacks and college kids like him, he's not fit to stand on stage with John McCain (that's today's attack from Hillary)--I could go on, but I fail to see how he's not already dealing with attacks and smears to some extent, some of it valid, some of it below the belt. He's parried most of it quite deftly, and is now fighting: Hillary, Bill, Walnuts, Huckabee and Chimpy--all taking their daily potshots. He will have EARNED it if he gets the nomination.

He's gotten warmed up. If he's the nominee, just as with Sen. Clinton, you know elements of the MSM are just waiting to spring their version of Swiftboating on him, and unfortuately, his family and friends and whoever else can be slimed.

The elite of this country will be aiming to discourage and disillusion his supporters, and when I see blase assumptions that "change" is all that's needed, without a recognition that we have a tough, tough fight ahead, I start to worry.

But, then I see you and other posters here a DU whom I respect and whom I feel certain are firmly grounded and it alleviates a good portion of the fretting I've been doing.

I think I'm going to double up on my vitamins, LOL. :-)

:)

Totally hear what you're sayin, and you're 100% right.

But I'm confident Obama will rise to the occasion, as will we, to shut down that RW attack machine. We MUST win in November. We CAN win in November. We WILL win in November. But we most definitely should not go about it by being cocky like the New England Patriots, for example, and underestimating our opponent. But I have confidence we won't, and that at the end of the day we'll thump the shit out of McCain. Can't wait!

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You want tough? Just wait until we go for the general election.

We are well beyond the "starry eyed" insult you hurl at us. I have been rolling up my sleeves since Gene McCarthy ran, and I am fully aware of what is ahead.

I think defeating Hillary Clinton is a pretty good indication of just how tough we are going to be on behalf of Barack Obama.

See ya.

I look forward to it. :-)

Let's smoke the Bushbot SOBs and take our country back.

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vocal about many things that I appreciate about him. I personally like the introspective academic side of him that emerges at the debates a lot more than his "yes, we can" speeches.

But, there is a fealty some of supporters demonstrate that could be turned on a dime if they feel they were "fooled" or "misled".

And, no one does "fooling" and "misleading" like the MSM.

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Dont. It's really just that simple.

And FWIW, these dramatic broad-brush insults against Obama supporters dont help either.

posts that seem refer to a metaphysical power propelling a campaign, here on DU.

It's a little wierd. But, I'm a true, blue Democrat and I'm happy with both candidates. It's just wierd, that's all.

and working hard to make Sen. Obama the next President of the United States (IF he takes the nomination). I will do the same if Sen. Clinton wins the nomination.

NO DOUBT it will be hard work. The media fawning will END the moment we have an actual nominee. It's going to be hard work (the REAL hard work, not Bush-style "hard work" hehe).

With EITHER Obama or Clinton I expect change, but only through hard work and determination.

Thank you. :)

All of us get behind the Democratic nominee, whomever it is.

I'm there, as I always have been. :-)

and you've come to the point of believing the very bullshit you've been spreading.

When your candidate loses, get in line or go away. :nopity:

Good post. :thumbsup:

Awwwww yeaaaaahhhhh!

on a couple of policy issues, and I have no problem with Sen. Obama, but never I have seen on this board the kind of posts I inclued in my OP.

PS, and you'll be glad to have me, believe that. :-)

I guess I would counter with a similar "request" that the kind of steely loyalty to Senator Clinton's purported experience and commitment will cause some of her "starry eyed" supporters to lose faith if she becomes the nominee and gets put through the meatgrinder of a general campaign. She (and her husband) have not been fully vetted in the media since her 2000 run for Senate; her positions are not fully understood by her supporters, etc.

It's a two-way street. It's absolutely snobby and imperious to suggest both camps of supporters don't have a bit of starry-eyed optimism about their candidate.

I just hope that those who believe he's riding an unstoppable wave decide to help instead of leave in disgust, if he's the nominee.

You adopt a tone of being wiser than all others: you will deign to work for this second-choice candidate if he's the nominee--and remind us of how valuable your assistance will be, presumably wiser than all of ours or the campaign's itself (though you give us no credentials to assess exactly how your golden wisdom and experience is indeed so valuable). You worry about how the children who have supported Obama will "leave in disgust" once he is the nominee.

I am horrified by this paternalistic/maternalistic tone. I am 58 years old and have voted in every election, local, state, and federal, since 1972. I have worked assiduously on quite a few campaigns, in the trenches. I've undergone electoral training from seasoned professionals. I've read two major newspapers a day since the 1980s. I am astounded that you talk down to Obama supporters in this way. It's one of the things I've seen too much of from both the Clinton campaign and its supporters. I am a total grownup with no blinders and no idolatry issues. I've seen a campaign that has been better organized and better scripted than any I've seen in decades. And issues that solidly appeal to my progressive standards.

Don't tell us you need to spoonfeed us advice. Don't be the mommy who knows better. That's the attitude that has made me so uncomfortable with the Clinton campaign.

"join us, embrace us" truly alarmed me. Even if I wasn't supporting Sen. Clinton, I would have been taken aback.

The responses in this thread are, I imagine, much more representational of the general view of his current supporters, which will become the entire Democratic pary if he's the nominee.

I know many people who support him in the non virtual world as well, and honestly, they don't chant or demand fealty to something metaphysical and mysterious.

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback, except you just HAD to make a gender specific remark, didn't you? Believe me, I am NO mommmy. :-)

It is what makes me so sensitive to tone. I've had to work hard over the years not to telescope that "mother knows best" attitude to my children (even when I am convinced I am right).

Thank you for reading and taking my comment seriously. That helps a lot; but I felt I had to mention it because it can be just as alarming for those supporting the other candidate to read so many posts that belittle their intelligence or independence of thought.

I say make up your own mind.

"OK, change, got it, but, one damn thing is going to stay EXACTLY the same. And that will be the savaging of the D candidate in the RW owned MSM."

Kerry was not trashed exactly the same as Gore and still isn't. If there is one thing the primary has proven it's that the RWNM is quite ready to go into over-drive on attacking Clinton. Krugman called it "the Clinton rules" for a reason or "Clinton derangement syndrome".

complaining that he and Edwards "hugged" too much on the campaign trail. And that's off the top of my head. His honorable military service was MOCKED.

That's an opinion I read recently on the Daily Howler. Somerby follows this a little more closely, although he may have a bias towards Gore.

I might be wrong, but I think at least half of these quotes were from the same person. I doubt that this is what the average Obama supporter sounds like and I don't really think that they will "fold like a chair" as soon as it gets dirty. After all, the dirty campaigning and attempts to divide the people is what Obama was often referring to.

However ~ we are Fired Up and Ready to Go! :bounce:

We are not going negative now or in the future .

May the best MAN or WOMAN win and we will support the nominee.

the time to remind me that the quotes represent a very small minority of Sen. Obama's supporters.

I'll work my whatever body part off, if he's the nominee, as I will if it's Sen. Clinton or if it had been ANY of our other candidates.

I admire both of them. Both are far from perfect.

Thanks again, it really did creep me out to read those posts yesterday. These posts this morning are the real deal. :toast:

to oppose the key parts of any Democratic platform as Minority Leader.

I think of a Congress which has continued to support and fund the Iraq misadventure and in many cases being publicly committed to it.

These are obviously not people in power who will be easily convinced to make changes.....

your canned concerned is noted.

and a former Edwards/Biden supporter, I Psst_Im_not_Here do hereby pledge not to demand your support, nor will I gloat, gleefully cheer your pain or disrespect you in anyway, if Obama wins on Tuesday. I know how those wounds feel and I know there will be a lot of healing to do for either side after the decision has been made.