I resolve. . .

- to support the DEM candidate, no matter who (and since that includes the slim possibility of a Lieberman nom, you gotta KNOW how tough this one is.)

- that if Dean wins the nom, I will not, under any circumstances, do anything that could be even remotely considered gloating.

- that if another candidate should emerge victorious, I will get out my pom-poms and fiercely campaign for said candidate (except Lieberman who is lucky to get my bloody vote. Hey, I'm HUMAN, for Gawd's sake.)

- that no matter WHO the candidate is, I will not revisit the "if-only-we-had-nominated-_______" argument.

- that if ANY of the DEM candidates makes any noises about a "third party bid" I will vociferously and actively denounce them. This comes on the heels of many stories and pundits waxing fantastical about a Dean third-party entry. This I do not see. (Frankly, I'm more worried about a Kucinich third part bid.)

- that any Dem who says that another Dem candidate is "unelectable" immediately goes to the bottom of the preference list. S'okay to argue that you are the BEST candidate to beat Bush. But to come out and say that any other candidate CANNOT WIN, and name names. . .well . .it really sucks.


eileen from OH (working on other resolutions, including one involving a badger and St. Maria Goretti. Trust me, you don't wanna know.)

But, umm ... hasn't someone from the offices of pretty much every candidate said something to the effect of " is not electable"? This would exclude too many (if not all) our candidates.

with the exception of Dean. I mean, HE'S been tough on other candidates, but it's been in general terms of "insider Washington Dems" and those who are Bush-lite. But, as far as I know, he has not singled out another candidate, by name, to say that he/she was "unelectable". That has, however, been thrown at HIM, specifically, by name.

eileen from OH

To any naysayers, please try to remember what's important--ousting Bush. Usually when this question is asked--80% of us are for it. Maybe because it's usually in poll form? Let's try to make it 100% this time as idealistic as that may be.

ABB!

Great list. I agree with with every item on it. Although I'm not sure about the badger part. What's up with that? (Sorry, you can't drop something like that and expect me not to ask ;-) )

You have no bloody idea how long I've been waiting to insert a badger reference. And you fell for it, bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha.

eileen from OH (still meant what I said in the rest of it, though)

Walked right into that one. That'll teach me not to drink before I type. :beer:

Happy New Year

:party:

I don't think you have to worry about Lieberman. I would be willing to take to take nausea medication to promote him and I WOULD vote for him.

I made a decision not to get emotionally invested in any one candidate several months ago because of the poisonous atmosphere I could see building here. It has only become worse since then. I will have a clean conscience and intentions in regards to whether Dean or Clark gets the nod. I seriously have no dog in this fight.

I refuse to visit GD Primary 2004 - (on edit - I just happened to see this on the Latest page and didn't know it was the Primary 2004 forum. oops! LOL!). I'm glad it is a separate forum now so I can go back to visit other political subjects that I love and feel a kinship with.

I like your style, eileen from OH. I wish there were more posts like yours out there. I will remember you from now on. :thumbsup:

I know perfection is out of reach and that while we must do better, the worst dem on the list is better than Bush.

I know that one presidential election won't turn the tide on everything but I know we are all the wiser and four years is a short time in the grand scheme of things.

I'm looking for peaceful revolution over time and a transformation of the human race...it will take more than one candidate..more than one election and one can create a domino effect without taking the whole table down at once.

Here's to a happier and wiser New Year on DU.

And I concur. Happy New Year, nsma - and thanks for ^^that^^. :hug:

Thanks for your partnership..even though we only post together..if I HAD to go to war and only had a handful of Du'ers to choose to be in the trenches with..you would DEFINITELY be one of them.

:toast:

To rub it in everyone's face if Clark wins the primary.

10x the amount of crowing if he beats Bush.

To disappear from DU if he loses to Bush.

To "technically" support the other candidate-who-shall-not-be-named if he wins the primary, but not really work for him and tell everyone he is going to get creamed.

To spam DU with "I told you so!" if he does.

To disappear from DU if he wins.


:evilgrin:

resolve to first put my drink securely away from the puter, before reading your next piece Incapsulated!

But seriously, I can go no prob whatsoever with all three of Eileen's - wholeheartedly.

B* out out out!

habitually break all of their resolutions.

:fingerscrossed:

:spank:

:evilgrin:

I always do!

;)

You're just in and out and rubbing and disappearing and crowing and technically supporting and spamming and well, I am just worn out! I'm just a poor ol' broad and I cannot keep up with all your movements (I have trouble keeping up with my own!)

eileen from OH

is to stop being too serious about all this!

The country has survived a real civil war, this party will survive these primaries!

:)

And THAT is my incapsulated opinion.

eileen from OH (thinking I need to find a poll on badger movements.)

I can't vote for people who don't believe what I believe in.

I'm not stupid enough to give away the one thing each year where the government listens to me and my concerns.

I won't support a candidate who isn't equal of or left of Dennis John Kucinich in the GE.

I believe in a country with morals. I believe in a world without end. I believe in the closing down of the School of the Americas. I believe in clean water for everyone in the world. I believe in reduced pentagon budgets as we make peace with the world. I believe in free healthcare for all. I believe in living wages. I believe in gay rights, including marriage, as civil rights, human rights not state's rights. I believe in people's privacy and liberty. I believe in the easing of drug laws. I believe the rich have to pay their fare share. I believe in free education for everyone. I believe in renewable energy. I believe in the end to the death penalty. I believe that one day this nation will judge people by the content of their character and not by how much money they can raise or their "electability". I believe in international law. I believe those that are in power and are privledged should help those less fortunate.

I believe in Dennis Kucinich.

My voice will be heard...I won't settle for anything less than what I believe in.


That is a democracy. Everyone's voice heard for what they believe in. I will vote my conscience.

I really don't have any problem with deep-seated principles and those who feel they must follow them except I really want to know. . . if DK does NOT get the nom, what will you do?

eileen from OH

BZZZZT!

Thank you for playing How Not To Re-elect Bush in 2004!

:cry:

well, okay, I CAN.. . .but I won't. I've been there, done that, have the t-shirt. I'm an insomniac (note the time) but decided after many, many, MANY hopeless votes and sleepless nights that I'd rather make a difference than a statement.

eileen from OH

Dem nominee. I don't recommend doing it, but it can be done.

It involves convincing people that the best option is either apathy or voting for a third party. The trick is, for this to be effective, the people involved have to be Republicans or people planning to vote Republican. This way you are creating a net loss in votes for b*sh. As this is the Democratic Underground, maybe your efforts would best be served on a different board...

Something to consider at least. :shrug:

and ideals are to be cherished.

But, sometimes you can not get what you want, no matter how hard you try, how much you want, or how lofty your ideals.

Sometimes, you hAve to be practical, and do the best you can with the tools you have.

If Kucinich does not get the Dem nomination, I hope you will support the Dem nominee.

All of your idealistic principles demand that if you can NOT get exactly what you want, you should at the very least do everything in your power to defeat that which is furthest from your ideal.

There is no Dem candidate that is further from Kucinich than GW Bush.

Please remember that come next November, ok?

30m of water or 300m. The bottom might be 10X closer at 30m, but the difference is NOT SIGNIFICANT. It DOESN'T MATTER. It's a MEANINGLESS DISTINCTION.

That's the problem.

If the ABB people really, truly were ABB, then they'd be supporting the candidate everyone can support -- the candidate of real change.

Think about it a bit.

As bad as he is, he's still A LOT better than Bush.

and I DO believe in fairies, I DO believe in fairies, I DO believe in fairies.

BTW, I am currently soliciting a designated driver to take my drunken ass to the polls should Lieberman be the nomineeeeeeeeeee.

If Lieberman gets the nom, I reccomend that all of you invest in Chevas cuz all by myself I can guarantee that stock will go through the roof.

eileen from OH