A Word of Warning....

If anyone here declares that

the poor, unemployed, uninsured voters of Ohio voters are racist because they trust Hillary to look after their economic wellbeing better than Obama (who happens to have the support of an upscale voting block)

the same way that they declared that

the Irish-American Catholic women of New Hampshire are racist because they trusted Hillary to look after their reproductive freedom better than Obama (who, through no fault of his own, is a man)

I am going to explode.

:nuke:

People suffering the effects of Bush's recession do not deserve the added insult of being labeled racists because they vote for their economic wellbeing. Those who make that argument sound exactly as elitist as Laurence O'Donnell whose career is now in the trashcan and may it rot there forever for his stupid "John Edwards is a Loser".

People suffering the effects of Bush's recession do not want to hear vague promises of "change" or "unification". They have mortgages to pay now . They have kids with illnesses to treat now . That does not make them racist. It makes them victims of the economy. And they did not steal their victimhood from Barack.

MSNBC started some of this by citing a splitter poll result showing that 1 in 5 White voters in Ohio considered race in their decision and 80% of these voted for Hillary. This number is a lie. Every Democrat has considered race--and gender----this primary season. MSNBC did not ask Blacks how many of them considered race or how many voted for Hillary or Obama. Remember that Chris "Tweety" Matthews was the first national mainstream TV news pundit to say on television that the women of New Hampshire were racist for voting for Hillary in defiance of the pre-election polls.

stoking the racist questions...

I agree, that is a ridiculous slur. While I don't understand voting for Clinton for this reason, I accept that they did.

There is plenty of material to choose from but I will limit myself to this post by atomickitten from a thread about Hillary's win in Ohio

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4898950&mesg_id=4906998



MSNBC set up this latest divide and conquer maneuver by tossing out the statistic that 1 in 5 Ohio White voters considered race. Well, I will bet that more than 1 in 5 Ohio Black voters and way more than 1 in 5 Texas voters of all ethnicities considered race.

However, the number one issue with voters in Ohio and the NUMBER ONE issue with those who voted for Hillary was money (as in their lack of it) and the economy.

It is Obama's own fault that he has been afraid to talk about populist issues for fear of drawing negative MSM attention the way that Edwards did. Obama tries to play it safe, courting Republicans with kissy talk about Reagan and neglecting his own Party's base of working class people who can not pay their mortgages or bills.

He paid the price in Ohio.

And now people like atomic kitten are crying "Those working class voters in Ohio who don't have jobs or health care are so racist because they will not enjoy their poverty for eight more years so that the nation can have its first Black president."

And she cites as "proof" a Right Wing smear and a photo of a candidate whom I have already seen look every shade from White to darkly tanned depending upon the light he is in. Was it supposed to be some kind of secret that his dad was from Africa? I want tell if you don't tell.

But the worst part is for this ridiculous accusation to be true, White Democrats in Ohio must all be closet KKK members---just like their sisters in New Hampshire.

You know who came out of Ohio? John Brown. The citizens of Ohio have been treated like shit by the Republicans. Nixon mowed them down at Kent State. Ken Blackwell and Karl Rove stole their vote. And now Obama voters are calling them racist. If I was from Ohio, I would be hopping mad.



Here it comes...

:nuke:

It's like they can't accept the facts and are trying to spin the story.

:mad:

to ask, because the Clinton Campaign has been pushing the issue of race, and Muslim-phobia as a Campaign strategy since the get-go, I believe it is a factor, and it is perfectly legitimate to ask if it had an effect. As far as black people, the question should be, did you not vote for Clinton because she is white? Or are you afraid of having a white woman as President?

all those apologies from the Clinton Campaign. I'm sure none of that 'matters' to you. It does to some of us. It matters very much.

Do you get paid by the post?

what exactly do you find to be 'crap'? My words, or the articles I provided that show the Clinton Campaigns use and abuse of race? I have no problem with using these tactics. Hey..it's an election right? Sorry if you find my opinion to be 'crap'. As far as getting paid, I don't work for the Clinton Campaign.

at least, not on any pro-Obama threads. I've skipped the 'YAY SHE IS WINNING!' threads so I have no idea who is posting in those or what they say. But I haven't seen a single sour grapes thread along the lines you mention.

Sounds like the same old divisive sh*t being peddled by the media. No doubt they have a vested interest in seeing that McCain ends up in the WH.

They did go Chimp in 2000, and then again in 2004. I'm having a lot of trouble mustering up much sympathy for their plight after 2004.

As to the racism thing, I generally don't buy into that but Obama did lose white voters in Ohio by 30 points. He was much more competitive with whites in Texas and I think most here would (incorrectly) presume Texas to be more of a bastion of racism.

I've never been to Ohio, but from the accounts of it from those I know who have, and from the way the media portrays it during election cycles, it doesn't sound very appealing. In fact it sounds like a miserable place to live.

Time to explode buddy, I live in Ohio and I know quite a few people that did NOT vote for Obama for that very reason. That was the main reason most did not vote for him in Ohio, sorry the truth hurts

and they disgust me. I hear them where I live, in Dayton, in Cincinnati, and from friends and relatives who live in the Youngstown area.

I could never repeat some of the things I've heard and am surprised that people I formerly respected would say such things.

At lunch the other day (with five people who do not follow politics as closely as you and I) my lunch mates ASSUMED I wasn't an Obama supporter. They assumed because I'm Caucasian. When I'd heard enough and announced my support, they were flabbergasted and tried to change my mind. Their arguments were pure racism and I would decline lunch with them again.

Hell, they probably won't invite me to eat with them again. I'm better off.

from Ohio who've said the same thing.

... and their chief political concern is "keeping the niggers off welfare".

I'm not saying racism allowed Hillary's victory, but I think it possibly helped.

... they packed up and moved to Connecticut when I was three (thankfully, they took me along with them). It's really more isolated to my father's side of the family. The family's from Middletown, which has a strange liberal/conservative divide on generational lines. My maternal grandfather is an ardent Roosevelt-era liberal who won a bronze star in World War II before becoming a pacifist and marching for civil rights in the early 1960s. My paternal grandmother is a stereotypical "mother of the 1950s" ditz that is nice enough in her own way, but either too lazy or too chicken to question what she's told by society's moral hall monitors.

The bullshit goes both ways.

...a little of that is related to racism, but there are other reasons why she attracts who she attracts, imo.

by the elite bankers problem. When more Americans wake up and realize that a D doesn't make you for the people and an R doesn't make you against the people, we will move forward as a country. Until then, we will continue to let them divide and conquer us as citizens and we will lose.

Look into the candidates and find out which ones support going after Iraq for oil, or going after Iran for oil or going after Venezuela for oil, those are tho ones that support the elites agenda and will run us into poverty as a control. Global enslavement is coming if we dont open our eyes and minds.


Together we stand, divided we fall.


First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Ohio is Clinton country for a lot of reasons, not many of which have to do either with Hillary's femaleness or Barack's blackness. It's more that Hillary seems like a known quantity, and is talking in terms less likely to be seen as "radical" or "dangerous" by people who are conservative in that Democratic way that favors a strong government response when people are in need and reins on out-of-control industiral robber-barons.

I know how you feel, though. My wife is convinced that the Obama mania is a symptom of nationwide misogyny, and I don't think that's true either. The fact is both of these candidates have run and are being judged more on their platforms and public presentation than their gender and race, and whoever prevails that's a good thing. (And yes, while I'm not too happy at some of the stunts the Clinton campaign has pulled in the last few weeks, she'd have to grow horns and start breathing fire and eating babies to get me to not vote for her in November if she's the nom. And I seriously don't expect that to happen.)

A hearty K&R. :applause:

Ridiculing people without a college degree.

If you want links....PM me or search my posting history over the past hour.

You won't beleive what you will see.

Chickens! WHY?!??!

People are perfectly capable of both being racist and voting for the economic wellbeing, just as they might be racist and vote counter to their economic wellbeing. The two motivations are not mutually exclusive.

People vote for complicated reasons, and to be sure, polls with yes/no questions do a poor job of capturing that. No doubt the economy was a large factor for many voters. But while it may be ludicrous to attempt to pin down racism in terms of a percentage, it's equally ludicrous to dismiss it out of hand.