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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:32 AM
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Time to fight, Barack!
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 07:38 AM by TheZug
I'm all for a clean fight and a message of hope.

But now Hillary "Rove" Clinton has dragged this contest into the sewer.

If you have it in you to win the general election, then you're going to have to show you can fend off her nastiness.

John Kerry failed in 2004 when he wouldn't fight the swift boaters. This is your swift boating moment, Barack.

Time to hit back, and hard.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:35 AM
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1. So you want Obama to do a 180 and go against his earlier cmapaign pledges?
Wasn't this the campaign about new ideas and new politics? Now you want him to get down in the mud? By all means go right ahead, as he'll be wide open for charges of "hypocrite".
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:37 AM
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2. No--there's a difference between swift boating and refusing to be swift boated.
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soundguy Donating Member (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:55 AM
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3. Now is the time to bow out for Obama
Seriously, he has yet to win a "blue" state that matters in the GE. Winning red states is mere vanity.
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:04 AM
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4. She did not win the "blue" states by any great margins. And the "blue" states always vote
Dem in the GE. Plus she had early voting and name recognition and the coronation on her side. He'll win them in the GE, no doubt.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:05 AM
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5. LOL. Thanks for the talking point. He has won more blue states than she did.
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 08:06 AM by Mass
And until last night, as many big states than she did.

Blue states won

Obama:
WA, HI, MN, WI, IL, ME, CT, MD, DE, VT

Hillary:
CA, MA, NY, RI, NJ
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:17 AM
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9. Ok, Einstein, explain to me how any Democrat gets to the white house
without Minnesota, Wisconsin, Maryland and Illinois?
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:04 AM
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19. Maryland, DC, Delaware, Connecticut, Illinois, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Vermont and Maine are all red?
Show me an electoral college scenario where we win without those states.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 10:05 AM
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20. Oh yeah, forgot Hawaii
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:06 AM
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6. Don't worry. He's got something for both, Hillary and McCain.
There are other ways of fighting than swift boating, i.e., more than one way to skin the cat. He'll be like a S.W.A.T.
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:12 AM
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7. the Clinton's have a dump truck full of crap that can be dumped on her
it is too his credit that he hasn't. Maybe someone should do it for him. You know "toughen her up" for the GE.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:15 AM
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8. It's really sad that negative wins. I don't want Obama to go negative -
but I kind of agree with you. I hate Hillary Clinton.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:20 AM
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10. I agree, continue to take the high road, keep the debate on policy
and approach to governance.
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lse7581011 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:21 AM
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11. I Look At It This Way
if she wins I'll have lots more free time because I won't work for her!
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:22 AM
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12. I agree. If she wins, I'm done.
She will not be able to beat McCain and I have better things to do with my time.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:26 AM
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13. disappointed with results from last nite.
but Obama still has outnumbered Hillary with delegates. There are still 12 more states to go, this is not over yet. But in a way Obama is too good, too humble, but I feel he can fight back hard. We still have a ways to go.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:28 AM
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14. He has to show that he can 'fight'
He can't get into the sewer with Clinton, but he has to show that he can take and land punches. I think they played 'prevent defense' over the past week and they got burned by the clintons' kitchen sink strategy.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:50 AM
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16. Right on target ! Obama has to get in the driver's seat.
You NEVER win a defensive fight. Obama has to continue his positive message of hope and unity, but he also MUST: 1) Take the fight to Hillary as the establishment candidate of the PAST and NOT the candidate of CHANGE for the FUTURE. 2) GET MORE SPECIFIC on his credentials and his plans for change and HAMMER THEM HOME. 3) Put the Rezco, Canadian/NAFTA Conversation, religion, and name issues BEHIND him once and for all. He needs to start getting ahead of the ball, driving the debate, and setting Hillary back on her heels.
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NoBorders Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:54 AM
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17. Agree
I hope and assume he and his campaign know this.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:46 AM
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15. Damn right ! MUST go on offense !!
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 09:57 AM
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18. Damn right! Nail her swiftboating *** to the wall! (nt)
Two can play that f'in game!
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