Has the media world really turned upside down thanks to Dr Dean?

If a media watching DUer woke up form a year long coma this morning, she'd probably be baffled by some of the posts Dean supporters write about the media's reaction to Dr. Dean's candidacy. Just in case there is a suddenly conscious DUer lurking around, here's a primer of the The New Media for Dean Supporters.

1)Chris Mathews, CiCi, Candy, and Timmy have reversed their status bush shilling, media whores and have joined the ranks of objective journalists thanks to their consistently positive coverage of Dr. Dean.

2) Likewise, DUers should no longer find outlets like The New York Post, and even FOX News automatically suspect now that they often present stories that Dean is a "Juggernaut" who's nomination is inevitable.

3) Pollsters such as Frank Lunz and now totally credible despite all those focus groups he did before the war, now that his current focus groups invariably have Dr. Dean "winning" every debate.

4) James Carville and other previously respected Democratic Pundits are now "idiots," "DLC shills," and/or "afraid" of Dr. Dean's "outsiderness."

5)No, it is not possible that the world of the media whores has not inverted. Nor is it possible that Russert, Crowley, and Lunz are hyping Dean because he is the preferred opponent of the white house. It is ridiculous to think that James Carville is smart enough to know that Dean is the worst candidate to run are this time.

Al Gore is now evil because he endorsed Dean, this after three years of our claiming he won the election?

Molly Ivins is no longer credible because she endorsed Dean. She's now a "Former NADER supporter"?

Maybe the fence is so high for you that you can't see what's happening on the other side.

the number of negative articles and oped columns about Dean. It's OK.

in their latest online article?

They take Dean's nomination as a foregone conclusion.

http://www.economist.com/printedition/displaystory.cfm?Story_ID=2313211

getting him back in the focus. Whatev!

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and Power. Why else are so many of them moderating their critcism with hommages to the Great Man. Why else are they saying none of the other Candidates can compare with his fantastic juggernaut.

They may hated Dean's policies but the must respect his power and show respect to the Great Leader since they are now convince that he may beat Bush and become their next President.

Isn't that the reason Big Corporate has put Dean on all the news mag covers, and leading all the network news on Dems (for the last 6 months) ??? Must Be!!

that well meaning democrats devote this much thought to what the RW thinks about D's.

that the Republicans will vote for Dean in the open primaries and are donating to his campaign. They want us to think they are "supporting" and praying for Sharpton but it's Dean they really want since they (those silly dummies) know Sharpton doesn't have a chance to get nominated.

After all Dean has experience in governing one of the largest states in America, has unmatched experience in foreign and domestic policy, speaks Arabic and has the most appeal to Americans. He doesn't swagger nor smirk like that big bad Bush. He is the most truthful man in American government who would never hold secret meetings or accept tainted money in for form of donations from those partisan PAC's. He is the opposite of Bush in every way...and most importantly, he can beat Bush in the debates by screaming at him.
A sure winner, indeed.

This is pretty funny -- now the media isn't bashing Dean as much as others want, so he must be the choice of the Republicans! Hee hee hee!

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Can you now tell us whether or not Tweety is a shill or a journalist?How about the The new York Post? Are they suddenly credible because they like Dean?

It's funny that you made this post.

Dean's done everything a Democratic presidential campaign could have hoped for. The other campaigns have been pretty weak in comparison.

Find the energy and message and make your campaigns better instead of compaining because at least someone is trying to put together the organization necessary for defeating Dumbya.

And Pol Pot. And Mussolini. And Tammy Faye Bakker Messner. And that really annoying GEICO insurance salesman. All WRAPPED into ONE!

Haven't you always noticed that the GEICO insurance salesman NEVER says anything bad about Dean? Haven't you? Well? Why do you think that is? Huh? HUHHHHH?!?

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I am not a fan of bashing Dean, I prefer to promote my own candiate, easier that way but I wouldnt taunt people, youre gonna make them do that more and more. My 2 cents carry on.

I'm just holding up a mirror to them and reflecting what I see.

Youre adding fuel to the fire if you taunt and shit. I admit I have my misgivings about Dean, like on the death penalty which I oppose 100% and he supports, I also am a supporter of gun control and he isn't. I dont find him to be pol pot or something like that, I am just saying simply dude, you dont enjoy seeing Dean bashed, I would say that you not taunt people who are critical and the like. It is just gonna add fuel to the fire.

but no problem with trying children as adults? Do you know that in certain states children tried as adults are sentenced to death?
DK seems to pick and choose his authoritarian/"liberal" issues very carefully or maximum appeal to the leftist end of the angry white guy crowd.

I thought his flip flop on abortion was ethical, now I wonder if it wasn't the ultimate in cynical politics. A lifetime 100% percent rating with the anti-choice crowd is not going to get you on the national ticket.

I am finding the same purist rhetoric from the DK supporters that I did from the Nader folks, no wonder since they are pretty much the same people.

This isnt about my candiate. I was just saying thats an issue I disagree with him on, sheesh, why are you attacking me, I am a democrat, been my whole life, now just because I dont support Dean, I am not good enough. I was using an example of what I disagree with him on. If I was a purist, I would call him a killer. What are you saying? whatever.

Just call me the fireman!

As the older generation that grew up in the 80s taught me, silence = death. I've never forgotten that lesson.

with the truth. Sigh, I guess I should keep my mouth shut. Thats all I say, if someone attacks him, you counter it. Sigh. Whatever dude.

The attacks have just gotten silly in their repitition and ridiculousness.

What we're seeing here is the Dean supporters sloughing off the defensiveness that has been plaguing us for a while now. We are finally treating silly, outrageous posts as silly, outrageous posts.

Good on us.

"the older generation that grew up in the 80s." Interesting.

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According to he who started both threads, Pro-Dean media is obviously wrong about HD, but a skewed CBS poll "proves" that Dean can't win.

The analysis seems to be just as biased as the media.

Varied polls and focus groups results point to same conclusion: Dean may win the primaries, but he does not have the precieved credentials and characteristics to win the GE against Bush.

In the CBS poll, the large margin of error only applies to results re. primary candidate choice from the 244 democratic voters.

Please refer to article footnote:



This CBS News Poll was conducted among a nationwide random sample of 799 adults interviewed by telephone December 21-22, 2003. 685 registered voters and 244 Democratic Primary Voters were interviewed. The margin of error due to sampling could be plus or minus four percentage points for results based on the entire sample. The error for registered voters could be plus or minus four points, and for Democratic primary voters it could be plus or minus six points.


© MMIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.



Either you do not understand survey methodology OR you feel that
since Dean is winning it doesn't matter that you constantly (11 times) spreads false information, apparently in support of his campaign. Is winning all that matters?

I respectfully ask you to look up the data and retract your constant posts on this matter.

The majority of Democrats are not buying that spin.

Go ahead and address either post.

as intelligent and presidential, so every one AFTER that had Kerry portrayed as an unlikable jerk and then Dean being the only winner of any of the debates.

Dean was given a press plane by the corporate media in JUNE fer chrissakes.

I hadn't heard that one before. Gotta link?

The results are obvious.

of the Dems.

Things that make you go "Hmmmm?"

The discrediting of Krugman. It's great. Dean opponents couldn't talk enough about Krugman's criticism of Deans economic policy. Now he's a Dean shill. Great isn't it. The double standard?

Sometimes the only winning mmove is not to play.

I was lined up behind Dean when he was an asterisk.

negative or positive.

He came out of nowhere, galvinized a grassroots campaign, raised astronomical amounts from small doners, excited the base and pissed off the establishment. He is controversial, confrontational, interesting and unafraid. He threatens the political status quo simply because he is an outsider who is a conventional Democrat--but makes no excuses for it.

What goals do you think the Big Corporate media serve?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=977792&mesg_id=977792

The BCCI trial starts Jan.13 in England. BushInc. needs Kerry off the national stage FAST.

Too bad so many Dems want to give Bush what he needs.

Franken? Press?

To see the "unelectable nobody from Vermont" who was polling as an asterisk is now the frontrunner for the democratic nomination, who can raise tons of money, has over half a million supporters, and polling within 5% points of our "popular war-time president" months before most people are even paying attention.

All of these formerly respected and quoted people have, In Dean Media World, become targets.

Lawrence O’Donnell
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=71521

The Democratic Speaker of the Vermont House
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=71821

Marjorie Williams
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=56870

Kevin Phillips
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=72728


Former hoe Chris Matthews, et. all apparently continue to be quotable good guys.

Or maybe, just maybe.....Nah. Can't be.