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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:31 PM
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Poll question: Is It Time for Obama to Take Off the Gloves? Yes or No.
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 02:49 PM by David Zephyr
I say it's high time for Obama to stop being the nice guy and to now return the fire right back at the Clintons. I think that Democrats also want to see that he can deliver a K.O. punch which he will have to do with John McCain anyway in the General Election.

It's obvious that Mark Penn, Bill Clinton, James Carville and Terry McAuliffe are banking (and praying) that Barack Obama will not go negative and will allow them to continue to smear him without any response.

Should Obama now take off the gloves with the Clintons?
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:32 PM
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1. Long overdue.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:34 PM
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2. What's an empty suit to do, call her racist?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:35 PM
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5. just wait
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:36 PM
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8. No, he's going to call her inexperienced.
She has less experience than he has if you take away her years as first lady, which he will do.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:39 PM
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13. Every time she says "Rezko", say "Whitewater" or "Rose Law Firm"
...just for starters.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:46 PM
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27. Yeah..that'll teach her! LOL.
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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:35 PM
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3. yes, let's see the real obama nt
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bleowheels Donating Member (356 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:35 PM
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4. Yes. In fact, it is way past time. Hillary's campaign is just like the playground bully.
And they will keep it up until Obama's campaign says enough.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:35 PM
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6. I've confidence in his campaign advisors.
They know what they're doing better than I do.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:35 PM
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7. It has to be done in the right way. Hit her, but do it legitimately
None of the sleazy tactics she's used. There are enough legitimate issues he can rake her on. Keep it a clean fight.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:40 PM
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17. Right... him hammering her on Open Government, and her refusal
to release tax returns (in light of the Clintons' recent skyrocketing net worth)... that's how he should go "negative".
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:42 PM
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21. Right. Only facts, no rumors or unconfirmed stories...
...like the since-retracted Canadian NAFTA statement.

Fight back, but fight clean.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:44 PM
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25. ... or any claiming the republican candidate is more qualified than she is.
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:37 PM
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9. YES! He needs to portray her as a sore loser, which she is because she can't win
without opening up florida and michigan and massive amounts of superdelegates.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:37 PM
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10. I think he has a better strategy
Continue to punch McCain hard and ignore most of Clinton's attacks. Let him act as the nominee and her as the jealous spoiler. The more she attacks Obama, the more his campaign can point out that she seems more interested in beating him than McCain.

If he must take a punch at Clinton occasionally because she steps over the line in some way, it should be a big one that leaves her with a bloody nose.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:37 PM
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11. Not DIRECTLY..... stay above the fray and use surrogates....
.....
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:42 PM
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20. Exactly!
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:48 PM
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29. You mean like Donnie McClurkin?
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:38 PM
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12. Enough jabbing, let's see the haymaker!
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:40 PM
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14. No, because he doesn't need to. Hill's scorched earth stratedgy is going to be her downfall.
Sooner rather than later.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:40 PM
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15. No because he cant take the heat

He’s much better reading speeches other people write for him.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:41 PM
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18. He actually wrote his convention speech himself
Has HRC ever written her own speeches?
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:40 PM
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16. I'm really torn
I am proud of him for taking the high road and that's one of the things I love about him. Part of me says he needs to start attacking her so that he's not constantly on the defensive, but part of me would hate to see him get dragged into the mud. And stooping to her level is a risky strategy, because it makes him look like just another politician.

I definitely think he should give her experience argument more scrutiny...I've said that for weeks. And I think it's fine for him to make an issue of the tax returns, but I don't want to see him start running negative ads in PA. I understand those who say he should, but it's not the kind of campaign he wanted to run and it's not who he is and I would rather see him go down for sticking to his principles than stoop to her level.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:42 PM
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19. I think they are baiting him so that he fucks up.
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 02:45 PM by mirrera
Their only chance to take him is if he implodes. Everything he is doing is working, and now people are totally falling for the "get tough" memo. It started with Tim Russert a while ago questioning their toughness. Then they got ugly with each other and Edwards looked great. The people made it clear they hated it. Obama stopped and Hillary got worse. She DID worse than she was supposed to. Everyone is assuming her negativity worked for her...why? Because the media wants us to think that. They love and need it to get ugly. Obama is untouchable right now, if he says the wrong thing the wrong way in order to "take her down" the voters will hate it.
My opinion...


Edited to add- This is my first official post with (1000+) next to my name. BOY I need a job...;)
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:43 PM
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22. Direct attacks won't work, I agree.
I know she is just waiting for the chance to say "Look how negative and divisive the 'unity' candidate is." What he needs to do is simply call into question her record and her false experience.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:45 PM
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26. You're absolutely right!
You should start a new thread on this.

:thumbsup:
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:55 PM
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33. I had a whole thread on it but alas it sank... link:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4904048&mesg_id=4904048


Maybe someone with more prestige can post! I did reach 1000 posts today so maybe that will make a dif...
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:01 PM
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31. Yea it really worked for him last night didn’t it? Lol
If he can't hold up under the little criticisms he received, how the hell could he hold up under the Repugly’s on slot surely coming? He's weak.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:52 PM
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32. Can't hold up? What do you mean? I see alot of supporters freaking but not him...
In fact I sent around his very gracious speech in San Antonio. It was a wonderful speech that inspires not just his supporters, but people in other countries. Hillary was expected to win with much larger numbers. i think if she had not started acting like a Republican she might have held a slightly bigger lead.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:44 PM
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23. That's not an easy one to answer yes or no
I mean I do want him to start being sterner and more authoritative when dealing with Hillary and company. On the other hand I don't want him telling voters McCain is better than her. I don't want him to engage in dirty tricks. I certainly don't want a "SHAME ON YOU!" speech or have him start whining about the press or make fun of her. He needs to remain his dignity and be true to his ideals, while being more assertive in dealing with her.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:44 PM
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24.  We need to see some major hitting back
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:47 PM
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28. He may be able to just concentrate on states.
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 02:49 PM by cottonseed
The most frustrating thing for me is the fact that Hillary is treating this thing as a general election. She's tearing him down publicly, sewing seeds of doubt, playing dirty, and working in concert with McCain and even Bush on some days to destroy him as a candidate. All on a NATIONAL stage.

It's not that Obama has a "glass jaw", it's that the guy is running a pretty respectable primary campaign, realizing that one of the two candidates will have to run against the Republicans. Hence, the reason for not destroying Hillary on a national stage -- now that's party loyalty.

So, I hope that he can work with his superior organization and wrap this up state by state. If he can hold on, the national smearing that Hillary is giving him may actually have some value. In order to go this route, he will need make sure he's trying to at least steer the framing his way.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 02:57 PM
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30. The Clintons have been throwing stones from their fragile glass house.
They are about to find out that the nice guy can deliver punches, too.

He's just let them draw first blood.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 03:59 PM
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34. Yes, Obama has been doing exactly
what he needs to do and now it's time for the next phase..return the fire only he won't have to dig up her kindergarten papers. hilary's more current history is loaded with dirty facts.
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