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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:46 PM
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How is a woman who helped the rise of if Walmart and thought NAFTA was a good idea be seen
by labor as someone who will save American jobs? I just don't get that. What is the disconnect? Has anyone ever asked her directly about her Walmart days?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:47 PM
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1. She's friend of the working class! ZOMG!
Stop asking questions!
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:53 PM
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6. Back to work, peasant!
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:56 PM
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11. That's funny! nt
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:49 PM
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2. If it was during the Sam Walton era, I don't see an issue.
Sam Walton treated his workers well and stressed "Made in the USA".

Since his death, his descendants have turned WalMart into the monster it is.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:52 PM
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5. I'm convinced Wal-Mart was the reason Bill embraced NAFTA
He knew what that would mean for Arkansas and he
was looking not only at his legacy nationally but
what he could do to help his home state ... at
the expense of millions of Americans in other states.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:42 PM
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38. I believe this as well....... as the timing is eerie!
Hillary Clinton and Wal-Mart: A Love Story
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0207-34.htm

Wal-Mart’s First Lady
Hillary’s Past Belies Her Support of Labor
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0021,harkavy,15052,5.html

WalMart Board - 1990


Clinton's '35 years of change' omits most of her career: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/26377.html

How Hillary Clinton Betrayed the Children's Defense Fund for Political Gain: http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editorblog/034









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Sir Jeffrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:56 PM
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13. Not true...
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 04:57 PM by Sir Jeffrey
Sam Walton was a miserly union buster who was a much worse person than his public persona...and the whole "Made in the USA" thing was a tool to drive down Wal-Mart's wholesale costs at the expense of American suppliers. This book explains most of it:

http://www.businessweek.com/chapter/ortega.htm

On edit: typo
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:51 PM
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3. Did she really think NAFTA was a good idea?
Can you prove that?

I heard that she was against NAFTA but
didn't make too many waves about it while
Bill was prez... possibly because there
were supposed to be worker safeguards and
other safety nets in the bill.. all voted
down by, you guessed it, the slimy snaky
REEPS!!!
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:02 PM
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15. I hear she didn't make waves only because she wanted her health care plan to pass.
And she blew that too. And now collects megabucks from Big Pharma.

NGU.


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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:36 PM
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32. Read her book with her own words
She loved NAFTA
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:51 PM
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39. Really? Can you cite a quote please?
NGU.


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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:52 PM
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4. Ask folks from Ohio
Where job losses have been greater than at any other time since the Great Depression...
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:55 PM
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9. haven't you heard? they were all uneducated that voted for her. nt.
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rosetta627 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:54 PM
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7. Obama really needs to spotlight Hillary's stint on the Walmart board
It's a perfect example of her past "public service."
Sitting by silently as they intimidate employees out of joining unions.

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:11 PM
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22. Yet they voted for her over Obama
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 05:14 PM by depakid
Why do think that was?

And what does it say about the Obama campaign's ability to get their message (whatever it is) across in a key state that's suffered more than most?
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rosetta627 Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 06:12 PM
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29. It says three things to me:
1-Hillary had a much bigger lead in Ohio and blew it,
2-She managed to get very few votes out of yesterday's primaries,
3-And it's statistically impossible for her to legitimately win the nomination.

Now, back to her "public service" on the board of the most vile union-busting company on the planet--Senator Obama should insure that more people know about it.
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:42 PM
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37. Please look at what she did runing Ark education into the ground
I would like to verify something I heard here in Hawaii from other dems mad at Hillary for attacking the school a young Obama went to in Hawaii and it really backfired. They said that Hillary ran the Arkansas education and did so bad that for the first time Hawaii was not 50t in the USA but Hillary took Ark. education to 50th. Anyone on here who could verify that and if true, pass it along to Obama people.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:55 PM
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8. I love how Obama fans continue to use the "she thought Nafta was a good idea" lie
Even though its been debunked a dozen times

The mailer quotes Hillary Clinton as saying "NAFTA has been good for New York and America." That quote, however, is taken out of context. She also said in that same news conference that NAFTA was flawed and old trade deals needed to be revisited.


Obama's mailer goes on to ask, "Is Hillary Clinton running away from her own record on trade deals that have cost Ohio nearly 50,000 jobs?" It then lists various quotes from Clinton on NAFTA, the most recent of which is a truncated version of the senator's remarks. The mailer quotes Clinton saying in Jan. 2004, "I think on balance NAFTA has been good for New York and America." As we said previously, the full context of those remarks, made in response to questions in a news teleconference, shows that Clinton advocated revisiting and renegotiating trade agreements. In that teleconference, she said she "always thought" that old trade agreements should be revisited and that environmental, health and labor standards should be added. "I think that we need a re-thinking of our trade policies," she said.

The Clinton campaign has sent out its own misleading mailer on NAFTA, trying to convince Ohio voters that Obama has praised the trade agreement in the past. Campaign rhetoric aside, the two candidates' positions on NAFTA are virtually the same.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/more_nafta_nonsense.html
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:55 PM
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10. Has anyone ever asked her directly about her days at Rose Law firm?
EXACTLY what did she DO at the Rose Law firm?

Current practice areas from the Rose Law firm:
http://roselawfirm.com/practice/management.asp
We also advise clients on union avoidance, organizing campaigns and union representation elections. Our specific areas of expertise include:

* Union organization, collective bargaining, arbitrations and NLRB charges
* Employment discrimination and fair employment litigation
* OSHA
* Employment contracts, trade secrets and covenants not to compete
* Affirmative action
* Wage and hour issues
* Personnel handbooks
* Supervisory training
* Compliance reviews and training
* Mediations
* Civil rights
* EEOC
* Harassment/retaliation
* Whistle-blowing


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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:06 PM
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16. Apparently the Rose Law Firm didn't specialize in that kind of law.
The couple bought a house in Fayetteville in the summer of 1975, and she finally agreed to marry him.<67> Hillary Rodham and Bill Clinton were married on October 11, 1975, in a Methodist ceremony in their living room.<68> She kept her name as Hillary Rodham, later writing that she had done so to keep their professional lives separate and avoid seeming conflicts of interest, although it upset both their mothers.<69> Bill Clinton had lost the Congressional race in 1974, but in November 1976 was elected Arkansas Attorney General. This required the couple to move to the state capital of Little Rock.<70> Rodham joined the venerable Rose Law Firm, a bastion of Arkansan political and economic influence,<71> in February 1977,<72> specializing in patent infringement and intellectual property law,<36> while also working pro bono in child advocacy;<73> she rarely performed litigation work in court.<74>

Rodham maintained her interest in children's law and family policy, publishing the scholarly articles "Children's Policies: Abandonment and Neglect" in 1977<75> and "Children's Rights: A Legal Perspective" in 1979.<76> The latter continued her argument that legal competence of children depended upon their age and other circumstances, and that in cases of serious medical rights judicial intervention is sometimes warranted.<54> An American Bar Association chair later said, "Her articles were important, not because they were radically new but because they helped formulate something that had been inchoate."<54> Historian Garry Wills would later term her "one of the more important scholar-activists of the last two decades",<77> while conservatives said her theories would usurp traditional parental authority,<78> allow children to file frivolous lawsuits against their parents,<54> and considered her work part of legal "crit" theory run amok.<79>

Rodham co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977.<36><80> In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter (for whom Rodham had done 1976 campaign coordination work in Indiana)<81> appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation,<82> and she served in that capacity from 1978 until the end of 1981.<83> For much of that time<84> she served as the chair of that board, the first woman to do so.<85> During her time as chair, funding for the Corporation was expanded from $90 million to $300 million,<73> and she successfully battled against President Ronald Reagan's initial attempts to reduce the funding and change the nature of the organization.<73>

Following the November 1978 election of her husband as Governor of Arkansas, Rodham became First Lady of Arkansas in January 1979, her title for a total of twelve years (1979–1981, 1983–1992). Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee the same year,<86> where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.<87>


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

IS you read Wiki, you'll see that she really has always been pushing for better health care and protection of children.

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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:07 PM
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17. HAHA! That's proof that the Rose Law firm didn't specialize in that kind of law? n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:08 PM
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18. Getting desperate are we? n/t
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 04:56 PM
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12. She was on the Walmart Board, but she also quit over a disagreement
with them over their policies. ONE board member, especially a new one, doesn't have the power to make drastic changes. I don't know that Hillary supported MAFTA. She was the Firt Lady, and it would have been very WRONG for her to publically objsct to a project her husband was promoting. She's said she disagreed with it then, at least in the rules & restrictions it had at the time, and I have not reason not to believe her now. There have been several people who were in the administration at the time who comfirmed her objections too.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:00 PM
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14. She was First Lady in the state where Walmart was founded. Big whoop.
:eyes:
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:09 PM
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19. Barack can't attack anyone for Walmart while his wife earns income...
from a pickle company whose number one retailer is Walmart.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:10 PM
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20. my, my, getting desperate are we? What did sHillary do at Rose Law firm, anyway? n/t
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:11 PM
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21. Just think. If Obama is elected, we can continue...
the "Pickles" moniker for the first lady.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:17 PM
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25. Just think if sHillary gets elected...
she'll STILL be a corporate shill.
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:38 PM
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35. At least Obama does not attack his wife like Hilary does her daugher
Hillary really slam the type of work her daughter does. How interesting and she is always on stage with her. Hedge Fund Chelsea and her mom states how bad they are.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:15 PM
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23.  ".. the Rose Law Firm, where she was a partner, handled many of the Arkansas-based company's legal
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 05:17 PM by antigop
affairs."

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines06/0312-01.htm
Hillary Clinton feels heat over Wal-mart ties

And the Rose Law Firm, where she was a partner, handled many of the Arkansas-based company's legal affairs.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:16 PM
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24. Her stint with WalMart really gets me. Just read the book
"Nickle and Dimed in America" to get a picture of how that company treats their employees. I don't understand how any woman with a conscience or a backbone could sit on that Board of Directors and say nothing. And I've never heard any Clinton supporters on this Board justify that. I may have missed the post and would be happy to hear an explanation of how she could have taken a director's fee and gone to those meetings given that company's awful policies.
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nomorewhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:18 PM
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26. its all spin spin spin spin spin spin spin for the clintons
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 05:19 PM by nomorewhopper
its whatever you want to hear mixed with a heavy dose of yougogirl
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:19 PM
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27. Hillary was doing her job as groomed by Jackson Stephens, just like Bill did.
They were set up to provide the cover needed for BushInc WHEN they'd be called upon to provide it.

Bushies expected to be impeached after the Dec 1992 release of the BCCI report. What happened?
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:37 PM
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33. Jackson Stephens' firm underwrote the initial public offering for WalMart
Edited on Wed Mar-05-08 07:37 PM by antigop
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/28/business/28stephens.html?_r=1&oref=slogin


Mr. Stephens was chief executive in 1970 when the firm underwrote the initial public offering for Sam Walton's discount store chain. Wal-Mart Stores is now the world's largest retailer.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:41 PM
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36. And Clinton supporters think all of this is just 'coincidence' just like Bush supporters claim.
.
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Levgreee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 05:21 PM
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28. While Hillary was on the board:Was with Tate "Labor unions are nothing but blood-sucking parasites
living off of the productive labor of people who work for a living."

Yes, those 6 years where this was the main rhetoric of Wal-Mart towards unions, Wal-Mart sure was a good place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZVpPGxuafA&eurl=http://blogs.independent.co.uk/the_campaign_trailers/2008/02/hillary-and-wal.html
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:01 PM
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30. um ... "the rise of Wal-Mart" was when you actually had Sam on board and alive
Sam died in 1992 ... if Hillary was on the board at the time her husband was running, you wouldn't have heard the end of it ... and Wal-Mart wouldn't be the red-state paradise it is today ...

the spawn of Sam are the ones who really decided to take over the world, and she wasn't on the board at that time ...

Another reason why, if the Clintons were Repukes, they'd be revered by the Repukes ...
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:34 PM
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31. The head of WalMart's legal department worked for Hillary at the Rose Law Firm
http://walmartstores.com/GlobalWMStoresWeb/navigate.do?catg=540&contId=6235


Tom oversees the Legal Department, which is responsible for handling all legal matters affecting the Company in its domestic and foreign markets. Tom has served as Wal-Mart's General Counsel since May 2002.

In 1986, Tom became an associate of the Rose Law Firm, where he worked for Senator Hillary Clinton in the firm's litigation section.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 07:38 PM
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34. Let me know when you find the answer. It baffles me too.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-05-08 08:43 PM
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40. Corporate lawyer.
I love lawyers but not her kind.
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