What happens if the job numbers go up

again next month????
Last 4 months 700,000 plus jobs.
Are we fucked?
What if they go up the next 3 or 4 or 5 months???
We hope Iraq blows up in our face?
I'm not feeling to good about our pres. hopes right now.
Am I paranoid?

stop being so paranoid. If it does, then it is a good thing for those that got living-wage jobs.

and one should never hope that Iraq is a failure.

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I'm talking about what will get John Kerry elected.
If the economy continues to turn around ...
Do we have to hope Iraq goes badly???
Correct me if you think I'm wrong, but if the economy grows,unemployment goes down, and we are able to turn Iraq over to the Iraqis before the election. We're fucked.
Don't go calling someone a freeper without readin' the rules.

"I'm basing that on the fact that I don't know a single democrat who actually thinks that. The only time you ever hear that opinion expressed is from the right when they're bashing us, saying that's how we probably feel."

Of course, nobody really wants Iraq to get worse or people to be unemployed. But everyone knows these are issues that we can use sucessfully against Bush.

Nobody who is remotely honest with themselves hasn't thought about the election in those terms. Any time your party is on the outside trying to get in, you are torn because you know that if things are going well, your chances of getting elected are bad. That's just reality. If everything was magically transformed tomorrow and there was peace in Iraq and massive job growth, it wouldn't matter to me, Bush should be thrown out for what he has done and will do in the future. But the average voter doesn't see it that way, and would re-elect him in a landslide.

Not very good except for the contstruction jobs.

The only thing that's going to change people's minds about this economy is a solid 3-4 month period of job growth in all sectors. We've had little spurts like this before, it was never sustained, and didn't begin to make a dent in the millions of jobs that have been lost or take into account the long-term unemployed.

but there wasn't an increase in manufacturing jobs for the month? Also, Friday's release of labor data seemed like an anomaly in my view.

First of all, the rise in Construction jobs is only due to the low interest rates and the ending of the Winter season. Second, 70,000 workers just got off the picket lines in California. Was any of the job growth directly related to Bush's tax cuts?

We'll have to wait for next to month to see what happens.

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Are you arguing with me or someone else? Since you are replying to my post, I think you should read it again?

I was just wondering about the release of the labor data on Friday. I have no intention to debate.

I need to go to bed. G'nite.

It's probably me, I'm tired and shouldn't even be posting, heh.

Sorry if I misunderstood you.

from now until November, we will still be left with a net loss of well over one million jobs since Bush took office.

If we create 300,000 jobs from March- Nov. with the jobs in the last 4 months .....You're looking at 4 million jobs.
I'm not sayin' this is going to happen, but "it's the economy stupid" might not be the right issue for this election. We had better not put all our eggs in one basket.
We need to use some of the social issues ... gay rights, abortion, maybe even guns(to a smaller extent), in the northeast.

Iraq is already blowing up in "our" face, though "we" would be the United States, not Democrats/Liberals/Progressives. I have less schadenfreude than anxiety over my country being abused and used by a gang of well-heeled goons like a local high-school girl who had a couple of roofies dissolved into her beer at the Deke House mixer.

Even with a healthy increase in jobs, there is no possible way that more than a few of those jobs will pay as much as the ones we lost. I was making $35 per hour in 2001, and I was a "poorly-paid" programmer, laboring in the slums of Microsoft Office. I know several top-notch C++ systems programmers who were making upwards of $120 per hour, and one of them is now a $9/hour clerk at Borders. His unemployed girlfriend was making a "mere" $75 per hour. Neither are likely to ever see that kind of money again.

I can understand the labor market being subject to ups and downs. What I can't understand is how a president can fail to take the least action to maintain stability for the losers in that market. Millions of other people are in the same situation I am in -- and all of us will remember how forthrightly George Bush, his Department of Labor, and the entire financial world let us fall through the rotted floorboards of the Empire into the personalized hell of bankruptcy, eviction, homelessness, depression, divorce, untreated illnesses, self-hatred, 24/7 harassment from creditors, and periodic lectures on Accepting Personal Responsibility, and The Dignity Of Work, No Matter How Bad.

Think we'll be voting Republican? Not in this lifetime.

--bkl

but others, who's economic reality has changed may.

You were a poorly paid Microsoft programmer making 80,000 a yr????? If your friend "a topnotch C++ systems programmer" is willing to relocate, I am sure that either I or a business friend can offer him gainful employment at a considerably higher wage.
Let me make sure my PM is setup here , have him send me a resume, and job history.h

1. I was "poorly paid" among programmers. This was an ironic remark, and may have been obscured by the non-ironic rant. I considered myself to be doing quite well, and I enjoyed the work.

2. Well, actually, more like $70K, but without perks, which depresses the figure 5-20%, depending on the company. But it was still good money.

3. I don't know whether my C++ programming friend is willing to relocate, but the next time I see him, I'll ask him to send me a copy of his resume. But ... how can you offer him employment?

4. I have to assume that your previous post was about people who were doing well under the gentle reign of George Bush's Republican Party. There are very few such people, and a large number of them will be voting against GWB for other reasons, such as his use of the Constitution as toilet paper.

--bkl

I quess my point is perception is reality..
If the economic numbers continue to turn in favor of GW, it stops being an issue we can rely on.
I think there are many social issues that turn to our favor...and they should be used.
PM me ...I'll tell you how I can help your friend.

Why does this supposedly "good new" scare people on our side of the fence? Because it may not reflect reality.

People who have lost their jobs and careers to outsourcing are not going to change their mind. Jobs and whole careers that have been outsourced are not going to be un-outsourced without some policy changes or incentives for corporations not to do so. The only policy changes I see are anti-worker. How can that be better?

I don't trust these numbers. I have a friend who almost went bankrupt after not finding another programming job. He beat the bankruptcy by selling his dream house and downsizing. He still does not have a job.
Another electronics technician I know is doing landscaping.

I lost my programming job over 2 years ago and there's nothing out there.

When I saw the news, I was annoyed because it does not reflect my reality nor the reality of others I know.

What the hell does "Job Creation" really mean? Hey, all those unemployed professionals are back to work... mowing lawns, working in Home Depot, selling junk on eBay, etc. During the depression, jobs were created, too. People took dangerous jobs that they building bridges, buildings like the Empire State Building, chiseling out Mt. McKinley.

We really need more in-depth facts. These headlines are unfortunate because they don't tell the whole story.

When I see headlines like that, I ask, how big a check was slipped to the news media to report that.

First term no second yes. It is just one of the things that people vote for.Also I understand most are going to work for less money as the unions are also doing, Going back to work for the work and not an increase in wages.Cheer up. I do not think most people are one item voters.