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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 01:46 PM
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Do we really need the jobs issue
Don't get me wrong it is impossible for Bush by November to get those 2.6 million jobs he promised(he still is behind the 150,000 jobs each month needed to cover for the drop off rate) and there is know way in two terms will Bush be able to create one job. But I think our plate is so full with things to hammer him on that the jobs issue is not needed. Nothing is going to change before November that is going to erase the 3 million jobs lost under Bush. Kerry can just keep repeating Herbert Hoover. Now back to the full plate, we will have the Plame findings, high gas prices(winner),jobs,Halliburton,Woodward book,Iraq,lack of WMD's,Bush lies. Not to mention the gift we already have gotten from Clarke,medicare bill. So if we would lose the job issue we have plenty of food to toss.
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EricNYC Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 01:49 PM
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1. I agree...
While Kerry has been hammering the jobs issue and polls show voters trust him much more than Bush on the issue of the economy and jobs. All the stuff coming out now about teh War in Iraq and the 9/11 investigation allows us to pivot nicely from talking about jobs to talking about Bush's credibility. That way, no matter what Bush says we can alwasy point to his credibility and say "how can anyone belive what he says anymore." Their's nothing like a failed foreign policy, and lies about a war to bring a President to his knees.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:02 PM
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5. Also, Kerry lead Bush by 20 point on who is better at....
balancing the budget. People trust John Kerry with their money, they don't trust Bush!!!

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 01:53 PM
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2. In a word, yes....
And I doubt yesterday's announcement fooled much of anybody....
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 01:56 PM
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3. We need the jobs issue, too. 90% of new jobs are part-time
according to Wells Fargo economic analysis report. 300,000 out of 360,000.

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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:01 PM
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4. YES we need the jobs issue
It is the one issue that people from every political background has to think about. Everyone needs to work. Sure, some freepers are all for free marketeering as a way to boost the economy, but if you make the issue about THEIR job security, you'll get their attention mighty quick.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:08 PM
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6. I disagree with you.
Edited on Sat Apr-03-04 02:08 PM by coloradodem2004
The jobs issue is a hot button issue with me. We should hammer Bush on all fronts. This one included. Job issues are the most pertenent to average ordinary people. I don't know about you, but I graduated college into a horrible job market last year. Can you fathom how angry it makes me when I go to college under Clinton and the good jobs are out there and when I leave, the best you could do is work at Wal-Mart. We need to hammer on him over this along with everything else. Much of the election will be decided based on the economy and not scandals. The scandals should be important too, but we cannot ignore the jobs issue. That would be complacient for us to do so. We need the jobs issue. If we let this drop, it will be the 2002 mid-terms all over again. Don't take any issue for granted. They are all important to us and we need to use all the political ammo we have to defeat Bush in November.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:27 PM
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7. The jobs issues allows us....
...to expose the bush administration for what it is: an enemy to the working class Americans. I'm from upstate New York. There are three fairly large factories in this area. One sent about 85% of its jobs to China. Another sends huge amounts of work to Mexico, and now has assembly jobs done in the state prisons. The third is cutting a large number of positions.
There are a few "new jobs" in two of the factories. The positions replace retiring workers. The only other "new jobs" are when a worker from one convenience store takes a position at another convenience store. Young people with good educations can not consider living here, for the most part.
These are the facts that define the reality of life here. The lack of jobs effects family life, the foundation of community life. The families that are here see their taxes going sky-high, and services being cut back. Schools are suffering from the federal budget.
The war, the scandals, the arrogance, the lies .... all of that is so very important that we need to address it every day in the work place and the community. But we need to make sure that Americans think about the bush economic policies every night in the privacy of their own home.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:30 PM
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8. Another thing about the jobs issue.
When a President runs for reelection, While I am no Reagan fan, Reagan summed it up nicely with a question. "Are you better off today than you were 4 years ago?" This time, I don't think it could be any clearer that the answer is no. This is why it is imperative that we remove Bush from office.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:31 PM
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9. we need a vision, not a basket of issues
think divide and conquer.

If you choose "issues", you're already divided.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 03:00 PM
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11. I respectfully disagree.
(1) If we want to beat bush in November, but do not address "issues," we will get remarkably few votes. (2) When the leaders of the Haudenosaunee met with Jefferson and Franklin in Philly many years ago, they taught these two that the essence of a confederacy is to find unity in the large issues, rather than being divided on small issues. (3) The United States is a huge and diverse nation. There are many individuals and groups that can unite around issues that will allow us to send bush packing come November. We can move forward from there by forming a nation-wide confederacy of groups such as labor unions and environmental groups, around the large issues that unite us. Alone, each group is like a finger that the bush administration can break; united, we form a powerful fist that can break them.
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arewethereyet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 10:13 PM
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14. you start with a vision and you show how it encompasses things
you have to give the impression that your plan covers ALL the bases.

If its any sort of vision at all its easy to do this.

Right now its Bush makes 3/4 million jobs, Kerry says he'll make 10 million. tit for tat is a losing proposition. Makes you look dumber than your opponent.
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cornfedyank Donating Member (642 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 02:54 PM
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10. no quarter
remember all the tv characters who had the drop on batman or the lone ranger?? instead of a cold, clean end they screwed around saying "I gotcha now"..Until November 3, 2004, we and JFK can cut them no slack on anything.. expose as much truth as possible..you never know what issue might click with that undecided voter.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 03:13 PM
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12. The job issue isn't going anywhere, imho. (nt)
Edited on Sat Apr-03-04 03:13 PM by w4rma
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Skeptical Democrat Donating Member (118 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 03:32 PM
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13. The jobs issue is one of the best issues. That's bread and butter
for most voters, and the LAST issue that should be overlooked.
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