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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:59 AM Original message |
SEAT the Florida Delegates in FLORIDA AS IS and NEW PRIMARY in MI |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:01 AM Response to Original message |
1. They'll work something out |
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ihelpu2see (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #1 |
84. They should live with their choice, and it was their choice... They will know better |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
250. FL and MI 2 of 4 states where Republican turnout exceeded Dem turnout. The others Utah, Arizona. |
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fadedrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #250 |
276. Dems were "advised" by people in the know |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:03 AM Response to Original message |
2. What really be the effect for each candidate if these candidates |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. It gets Hillary much closer to him in elected delegates and is a story changer. nt |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:04 AM Response to Reply #2 |
8. It would at least put this issue at rest. Damn, I hope Florida gets its act together by the GE. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:10 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. and exactly how was the election botched? |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:14 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. I see what you mean. I still don't understand why this had to happen. Couldn't they foresee such a |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:59 AM Response to Reply #18 |
31. I agree - but it is a fiasco of our own making |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #31 |
65. I don't think that's right. The part about the DNC being culpable. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
50. Don't blame the people. Blame the repub gov and legislature |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:50 AM Response to Reply #50 |
68. The govenor and the Republicans had nothing to do with this debacle. |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #68 |
78. I know first hand so shove it |
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olkaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #78 |
191. good lord! |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
252. Why, are you a FL state legislator? I think not, somehow. |
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Umbram (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #78 |
279. Always a persuasive argument. nt. |
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trueblue2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 05:00 AM Response to Reply #8 |
287. WELL THERE IS NO WAY, WE SHOULD PAY MILLIONS FOR MORE ELECTIONS. |
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Florida22ndDistrict (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
213. RE: I keep hearing all this talk of how important it is and how necessary itt is... |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #213 |
277. I don't mean that your vote isn't just as important as everyone elses |
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Florida22ndDistrict (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #277 |
283. RE: I don't mean that your vote isn't just as important as everyone elses |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:03 AM Response to Original message |
3. How do you figure? |
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boston bean (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:03 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Dean's rules, what about the rules of democracy where everyone's vote counts. nt |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:05 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Except you're saying one state should revote |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #10 |
147. JMHO.... |
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jefferson_dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Blame the FL and MI officials who broke the rules, knowing there would be consequences. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
91. this isnt a tough one. break the rules, pay the price. i am not getting |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
254. Why did the state legislatures move the primaries forward knowing this would happen? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
6. The fairest solution would be to have two new primaries. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #6 |
79. Two new FULL primaries would be fair but unless each state ponies up the $25 million for them..... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:16 AM Response to Reply #79 |
95. then it once again falls on the states shoulders for fuckin their voters. n/t |
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mainer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
7. Obama didn't even campaign in florida |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:05 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Neither did Clinton nt |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. she held "fund raisers" in FL |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:28 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Obama held fund raisers there. He ran campaign ads. How come he flies under the radar all the time? |
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Florida22ndDistrict (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
239. RE: she held "fund raisers" in FL |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
278. and clinton had MUCH more name recognition to start with. |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Actually he ran national ads there on cable. His excuse was they couldn't stop them in FL alone. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:11 AM Response to Reply #7 |
15. obama is the only one who had ads airing in Florida |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:21 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. While Hillary actually showed up in Florida |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. As did he! He held a press conference after a fund raiser the day after he signed the pledge! |
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Iceburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
39. "assumed the rules were the rules"??? he ran ads in FL -- AGAINST the rules/nt |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
81. yes he did! Obama ran TV ads, held fundraisers and he even held a News conference in Tampa!! |
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murbley40 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #7 |
153. Is running ads not campaigning? |
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ps1074 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
9. how is it fair? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:12 AM Response to Reply #9 |
16. set a date and let 'em campaign . . . |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:05 AM Response to Original message |
11. yep. He campaigned there (FLA) and outspent her |
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ObamaWinsWH09 (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
19. All the candidates agreed to not seat the delegates.... |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:31 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Obama said he would despite that. Think losing had anything to do with rule sticking now? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #24 |
85. At a News conference in Tampa Obama told reporters "I promise to have the FL delegates seated" |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:33 PM Response to Reply #85 |
256. Source for your statement? Cause it doesn't match my sources. |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:32 AM Response to Reply #19 |
26. No, the pledge they signed |
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kikiek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:33 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. The only one who ran campaign ads in FL was Obama too. |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:34 AM Response to Reply #19 |
51. The candidates did not agree to not seat the delegates |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
22. Can't seat Florida. Against the rules. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
64. Clinton won |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:56 AM Response to Reply #64 |
77. That's just a lot more crap. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #77 |
82. She did win |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:32 AM Response to Reply #82 |
115. You think she won a contest that she agreed was not a contest. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #115 |
137. What's dishonest? |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #137 |
194. Yeah, keep telling yourself this stuff. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #194 |
197. I never said he was on the campaign trail. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 04:57 AM Response to Reply #197 |
286. Here is the story of the Obama campaign in Florida. |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:20 AM Response to Reply #64 |
99. She didnt win FAIRLY in FL |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #99 |
113. People keep saying that... |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #113 |
118. Now you are just completely in denial. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #118 |
134. Do you have a link to any polls |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #134 |
140. yes...ALL of them |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #134 |
193. Why, so that I can reinforce your cognitive dissonance? |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #113 |
120. yes, ALL of them... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:55 AM Response to Reply #120 |
138. Do you have a link to any polls |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #138 |
142. asked and answered. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #142 |
145. Sorry, I didn't see a link |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #145 |
149. Here's one in california |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:10 AM Original message |
That's California in April of 2006 |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #145 |
151. Ohio |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #151 |
159. That's Ohio in May of last year |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #159 |
161. Just like an HRC supporter - keep moving the goalposts |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #161 |
172. Don't be daft |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #172 |
174. Just posted one from FL in November |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #174 |
177. And there was a 2% difference |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #177 |
179. That 2% would be 35,000 vote advantage for HRC. |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #179 |
196. Again |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #196 |
217. 2% saying they didnt know who he is |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:06 AM Response to Reply #145 |
155. Clemson university poll |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #155 |
162. That's August of last year |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:16 AM Response to Reply #145 |
167. Florida November |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #167 |
176. OK |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #64 |
125. It is AGAINST THE RULES |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:57 AM Response to Reply #125 |
143. It's an arbitrary rule |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #143 |
152. Rules are rules.... |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #152 |
247. Rules are for fools in Hillary's warped world. |
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lojasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #143 |
237. No it wasn't. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #64 |
260. "Clinton won" and "fairly" do not belong in the same sentence regarding FL... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #260 |
280. what if "clinton won" and "fairly in Florida" are followed by... |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #280 |
282. Thanks you! Much success!! |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
28. Nope it's not |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. so the solution is simple |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:07 AM Response to Reply #30 |
35. No it was the FL legislature that stripped the votes |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:21 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. here is the bill that was voted on |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. So |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:27 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. they were told ahead of time . . . |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #46 |
53. The dems voted FOR it. 1 lone dem voted against it. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #53 |
74. I know - I have never supported hte actions of the state leaders |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #46 |
59. Read post #4 of this thread |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:30 AM Response to Reply #45 |
49. but . . . if someone else is driving a car and knowing it is illegal |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:40 AM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Recall the legislators who voted to force the early primaries. |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #56 |
66. how do you "demand it" |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. CALL THEM |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. Can't you hire these assholes....? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:01 AM Response to Reply #75 |
83. yeah - but they are practicing for November . . . |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. Dan, just know I feel your pain |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #87 |
92. I agree with that . . . |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:41 AM Response to Reply #49 |
57. So why hasnt Bill Nelson accepted Dean's solution? |
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DrDan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:44 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I don't know - but the voters are getting screwed! |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:46 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Read post #4 of this thread |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:06 AM Original message |
The people's votes are a far more important part of the process than campaigning, don't you know? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:23 AM Response to Original message |
103. what about all those voters that didnt vote, knowing it didnt count, knowing their people broke |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:14 AM Response to Reply #103 |
166. That's not true 'knowing it didn't count'. Each voter in Florida received .... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #166 |
195. you guys were having a fight. florida official saying would count. dnc saying no |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #195 |
230. The DNC said the delegates would not be seated. Nothing more. |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
216. IF what you really care about |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 07:46 AM Response to Original message |
29. I'm All For That Solution. |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:49 AM Response to Reply #29 |
132. you really can't - Obama has proven that when he personally campaigns |
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jsmirman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
32. Ok, so you've made a ridiculously dumb statement. How about showing us the |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:04 AM Response to Original message |
33. the fairest solution is to do what has already been agreed to. |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
34. No - both re-votes (which no one will pay for) or don't seat them. Fairest for the candidates. |
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WVRevy (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
36. I asked a question yesterday... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
105. she was how far ahead in texas. obama came in and campaigned, and won |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #105 |
122. He lost. n/t |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #122 |
129. no.... actually it appears he has won. but beyond that, he was down 30% |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #129 |
136. Agree about tightening it up significantly but lost primary. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #136 |
144. i jsut had another post saying dean not at fault but doesnt matter.... |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #144 |
181. Yes. Here we are discussing delegates, delegates, delegates.. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #144 |
182. Hillary won the primary. Period. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #182 |
190. no..... obama got more delegates. he won. period. lol lol. geeeesh. n/t |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #190 |
201. OK, damnit! |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #201 |
204. lol lol |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
37. If FL and MI are seated...in 2012 EVERY state will want to move up their primaries.... |
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jsmirman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:18 AM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Yes, but let's embrace a position that flies in the face of all logic |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:39 AM Response to Reply #37 |
55. In 2012 our votes wont count either |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #37 |
67. we have four years |
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DUyellow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:13 AM Response to Original message |
38. LOL, never going to happen that way. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:15 AM Response to Original message |
40. I can deal with that. |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
43. MassDemm The whole state of Florida knows now what is going on |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:42 AM Response to Reply #43 |
58. In Michigan we are aware that our legislators and the MDP SCREWED UP. |
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salbi (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #58 |
71. They should each have a redo if they want their votes to count |
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UALRBSofL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:57 AM Response to Reply #71 |
80. salbi, florida would go to Hillary cuz we have all these old folks |
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salbi (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:53 AM Response to Reply #58 |
72. They should each have a redo if they want their votes to count |
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JustABozoOnThisBus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:04 PM Response to Reply #58 |
243. What kind of Re-Do? |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #243 |
248. I think the rules stipulate a caucus in this circumstance. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
107. but god forbid, ..... they wont put the responsiblity for this mess on those responsible. |
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shadowknows69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
44. Fairest for Hillary you mean |
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jsmirman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:28 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Nope. Just best for Hillary. They have no interest in fairness. * |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
48. So what do you say to the Florida voters who knew of the arrangement |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:36 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Fl had record turnout. 1.7 million. You want them to not count? |
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WVRevy (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:38 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. You're right, it does |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:46 AM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Once again, an Obama supporter blames Hillary for Bill's extra-marital misbehavior. |
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WVRevy (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:52 AM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Dude, it was a JOKE... |
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durrrty libby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #54 |
76. Get off the Kool-Aid.It has killed your last brain cell. You're incoherent |
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WVRevy (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #76 |
88. Really? What is it in my post you can't understand? |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:13 AM Response to Reply #54 |
90. To wit: California |
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WVRevy (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:26 AM Response to Reply #90 |
106. So, that's 1 out of 41... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #90 |
112. and those people that didnt vote? disenfranchise ok for them? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #52 |
110. you didnt answer the question. you dont want those people to count? n/t |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #110 |
242. Gee, give me a break. I do leave the computer from time to time. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:29 AM Response to Reply #48 |
109. exactly. disenfranchising them MUST be OK for the greater good???? n/t |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
253. Yep. Most of my family stayed home that day. |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:42 AM Response to Original message |
60. I agree, but Obama seems to hate democracy. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #60 |
116. do you purposely ignore fact and truth? i gotta know. i am seeing to much of this |
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MoonRiver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:39 AM Response to Reply #116 |
119. Back at ya. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:46 AM Response to Reply #119 |
128. bah hahahhaha. ya, that is another way to handle it. dont n/t |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #60 |
246. Obama thinks it's fine if there's a revote. Sheesh. Get a grip. |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
69. In other words, net HRC 38 delegates and 288,000 popular votes from an UNFAIR, |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:06 AM Response to Reply #69 |
86. So a lot of Floridians think that Hillary is Bill? |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:17 AM Response to Reply #86 |
96. Bill's precise role in an ostensible HRC presidency still remains unclear |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:18 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. "In my whitehouse, we'll know who wears the pantsuits!" - Hillary |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #69 |
94. Who said? Florida ran a fair election. How dare you claim it was undemocratic. |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #94 |
101. IT WASNT FAIR |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:25 AM Response to Reply #101 |
104. When candidates signed the "I will not campaign pledge" they never signed anything about the vote. |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:28 AM Response to Reply #104 |
108. not fair and sorry... |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #108 |
121. Florida had absolutely nothing to say regarding campaigning. Florida held a fair election. |
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yourguide (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #121 |
126. And none of your ignorance will change the truth |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #94 |
117. no it wasnt. there wasnt anything fair. people thought it didnt count. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:42 AM Response to Reply #117 |
123. Where are the laws in the US Constitution or Florida's Constitution regarding campaigning? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:45 AM Response to Reply #123 |
127. so there should be no rules when a state has primaries or any other |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:53 AM Response to Reply #127 |
135. The State of Florida set their election rules and regulations. The DNC wants to ignore these rules. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:59 AM Response to Reply #135 |
148. you really slurped down the koolaide didnt ya. it is warm in florida |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #148 |
154. That you would rather personally attack rather then finding the truth speaks volumes. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #154 |
156. no... at a certain point and time we learn to walk away when a person is sit on agenda |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #156 |
169. The State of Florida held a fair and valid primary election. Any comment that tries to negate this |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:19 AM Response to Reply #169 |
170. dont put hands on ears. no campaigning was allowed. voters thought didnt count, didnt vote |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #170 |
178. It was fair. There is nothing in the election rules of the State of Florida regarding campaigning. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #178 |
180. you a lawyer. you are so full of shit. n.t |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #180 |
183. One million seven hundren thousand Floridian Democrats chose to vote on Januarty 29th. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #183 |
184. no reasoning w/u, a reality. you got it. they broke the rules. they lose. n/t |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #184 |
185. So now you're crying out that 1.7 million Democrats in Flordia broke the rules? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #185 |
188. the handful of people that made the decisions broke the rule. all have to suffer repercussion. n/t |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #188 |
198. Wow. So even though 1.7 million had nothing to do with it you want them to suffer. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #198 |
202. NO i dont WANT them to suffer. that is STUPID. a handful decided on iraq |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #202 |
228. In # 188 you said all have to suffer. Are your retracting that statement or not? |
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apocalypsehow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #178 |
214. Wrong. The state of Florida was given fair warning that if it moved its primary up, those delegates |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:57 AM Response to Reply #214 |
229. 50% - - - - - - the DNC and the RNC both said 50% before the law was voted on. |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #178 |
219. Telling people the vote doesn't count |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #219 |
232. But what was the source for the 'vote doesn't count'? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:02 AM Response to Reply #135 |
150. i am not going ot just walk. all agreed the delegates not be seated. voters did not go out |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #150 |
171. No one, NONE of the presidential candidates agreed that the delegates would not be seated. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
89. This is so dumb. New primaries, use the candidate's fundraisinf to pay for them |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #89 |
130. The taxpayers of Florida paid over $25,000,000 for the January 29th primary. |
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Kitty Herder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
93. The FAIR solution is to follow the rules to which the party already agreed. Or else let them |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #93 |
102. I think if you were interested in the truth: the DNC changed the rules after the Florida law passed |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #93 |
168. Convention rulings to seat MI and/or FL IMO wd be seen as fair as the Bush V Gore |
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lse7581011 (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:18 AM Response to Original message |
97. Why? |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:20 AM Response to Original message |
100. Even simpler -if it's legal- |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:30 AM Response to Original message |
111. If it were the fairest solution no one would be arguing over it. |
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smiley_glad_hands (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
114. The easiest thing to do is for Hilliary to drop out now. eom |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #114 |
124. Hillary holds the lead in the Popular Vote. Democrats want Hillary. Obama should drop out. |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:52 AM Response to Reply #124 |
133. no she doesn't. The only way she leads the popluar vote, is if you are sad enough |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:58 AM Response to Reply #133 |
146. That some democratic candidates took their names off a ballot was a blunder- |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #146 |
157. and those voters that didnt vote cause told wouldnt count. just a blunder? n/t |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #157 |
187. I believe those that told them their votes would not count were wrong. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #187 |
200. are you delegates seated. no. so they didnt count. and voters didnt vote |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:29 PM Response to Reply #200 |
238. On March 1st the votes from January 29th were used to selecte delegates in Florida. |
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Coexist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #146 |
192. give me a break - that was a really lame response. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #192 |
199. You know what is truly lame - folks claiming Floridians didn't vote because ... |
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NC_Nurse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
131. That is not fair. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:56 AM Response to Reply #131 |
139. All the voters in Florida knew their votes in the primary would count. And they were counted. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:10 AM Response to Reply #139 |
160. ALL voters knew this would be a legitimate primary? they werent in a quandry as |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #160 |
205. Obama's campaign ads before January 29th reached 6.5 million households in Florida .... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #205 |
207. florida has endured a few races in the past. they know what a campaign is |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #207 |
226. I do not have to convince a soul that political ads are part of a political campaign. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #226 |
266. the point is there was not a campaign in the state. a couple ads dont cut it |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #139 |
173. Not true. They knew there was a CHANCE that they might be counted. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #173 |
210. They knew the delegates might not be seated, or might be seated. It is wrong to believe that ... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #210 |
212. "representative stressed that the election was valid" and it was NOT. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:36 AM Response to Reply #212 |
220. Wrong again. The election was valid. It's official. It's in the history books. |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #220 |
273. It's not valid if the candidates did not campaign. |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:17 PM Response to Reply #220 |
284. Are you friends with the guy that says that Hillary won Texas because that's what the papers say? |
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Kaylee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
141. That makes no sense..... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #141 |
163. we seem to have gotten so used to rigged elections that now we insist on them |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:08 AM Response to Original message |
158. So any state who jumps out of line should be allowed to? |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
164. Must be a Hillary supporter, they don't like to follow rules.. |
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Exilednight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
165. They knew the rules and should live with the consequences. |
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Nicholas D Wolfwood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
175. No, that's not the fairest solution. |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
186. Cancel the remaining primaries and award the delegates to Hillary |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #186 |
206. that would be the only FAIR thing to do. and you know it. n/t |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
189. I would only agree to allowing those that did not vote because they heard their vote would not count |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #189 |
203. Aha! You appear to fear letting those who cast ignorant ballots for HRC out of name |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #203 |
208. Insulting the intelligence of Floridian voters is becoming quite the tool for Obama supporters. |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #208 |
211. Huh????? |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #189 |
209. so you are afraid of fair campaigning before a vote. hillary needs the advantage to win |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #209 |
223. I believe Hillary would do even better in a redo of Florida, as Obama's numbers continue to slip. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
215. Why seat FL as is? That's unfair to voters in FL |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #215 |
221. The vote in Florida shattered all records. What about fairness to these record breakers? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #221 |
224. Political lies? Those rules were agreed to by FL's leaders. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:49 AM Response to Reply #224 |
225. Florida's leaders agreed to nothing of the sort. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #225 |
261. Citation please? |
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wileedog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #221 |
233. Who exactly |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:19 PM Response to Reply #233 |
235. The State of Florida has counted ALL Floridian votes - each of equal importance, each recorded. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #235 |
271. Except for the ones that weren't cast... because disgusted Floridians |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
218. I don't think a Florida primary would change much from the last vote... |
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ProgressiveEconomist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:42 AM Response to Reply #218 |
222. You think HRC would beat Obama by 38 delegates and 288,000 votes in a FAIR |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #222 |
227. In Florida ? yes. |
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blocker (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:03 PM Response to Original message |
231. GOOD READ HERE: |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
234. Nope. Obama reliably makes up 20 points when he can campaign in a state. Revote or nothing. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:23 PM Response to Reply #234 |
236. Reliably. As in polls? Actual votes indicate in large states such as California Hillary wins. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #236 |
244. Yes, Hillary won California--by 15 points less than she would have had they voted before Obama |
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Fox Mulder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
240. I disagree. |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 12:45 PM Response to Original message |
241. Except for the many people who stayed home because they knew their vote was useless. |
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InAbLuEsTaTe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
245. How is that fair to the Florida voters who stayed home thinking their vote wouldn't count? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
249. Bullshit - trying to steal an election after the fact isn't fair to any REAL DEMS. -eom |
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electron_blue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
251. No. 90% of my family in Florida did not vote in the primary bcs they were told it was only for the |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
255. Wrong! Revotes in both or nothing. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #255 |
257. Sadly, if the DNC hadn't reneged on its own rules there would be no argument today. |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #257 |
258. The DNC makes the rules. The States must follow them. It is very simple. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #258 |
268. Do you agree or disagree that the DNC changed the rules after the law was passed? |
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JackORoses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #268 |
274. the DNC is allowed to alter its rules. The States and the Candidates are not. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #257 |
265. poster after poster right above who didnt vote or family didnt vote. and you say ALLknew vote |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #265 |
267. What I said was all registered voters received sample ballots telling them the votes would count. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #267 |
269. you said a persn wasnt to be believed if they didnt know their vote would be counted. n/t |
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Exultant Democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
259. Fair as a marked deck in poker. |
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IamyourTVandIownyou (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
262. Call em a draw, split the delegates 50/50. Sit their arses down. |
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IamyourTVandIownyou (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #262 |
263. Or don't count them at all. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #262 |
264. i like this one both states. what you do with a major cluster fuck n/t |
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dchill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
270. "FLORIDA AS IS" |
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Dawgs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
272. It's not fair to those who didn't vote thinking it wouldn't count. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
275. There is no way of looking at that proposal that makes it "fair." |
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
281. That's what I think too, MassDemm |
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smiley_glad_hands (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-06-08 06:24 PM Response to Original message |
285. How about follow the damn rules? eom |
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