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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:12 AM
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Hey, waitaminnit. You guys are saying Hillary has been winning with dirty tricks?
OK, so tell me what's wrong with that? Maybe the only kind of Democrat who has a prayer against the Roveian Republicans is one who knows how to out-cheat them. We've been saying for years that the Republicans stole 2000, 2002, and 2004, so why not run someone in 2008 who can beat them at their own game? Surely a woman who has no qualms about sliming her ideological neighbors isn't gonna hold back on John McCain in the General.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:13 AM
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1. But then, the cheater gets to be president
That hasn't worked too well for the American people.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:14 AM
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3. Agreed. And I'm through with non-transparent government leaders.
I'm sick of secrets and lies.
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:18 AM
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12. Yes... TRANSPARENCY!
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 10:18 AM by demdog78
Where are those damned tax returns? I wanna know where she got that $5 million.

I wanna see it. Cuz you know what... I don't think it was hers. From what I've read.... Hillary might have got an illegal "loan"
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:17 AM
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10. Hillary is NOT a Cheater
She stands up for what is right. She fights a good fight. She is made of the right stuff, and this country deserves her tenacity, her spirit, her strength.

Hillary for President
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:20 AM
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17. No thanks. I don't want another cheater.
Cuz that IS what she IS.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:20 AM
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18. She tries to change the game in her favor after the rules have been set.
CHEATER.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:28 AM
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34. i owuld like for that to be the truth. she also uses drty tricks, fear, nontruths
rove tactics.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:25 AM
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31. Obama playing the race card and blaming Clinton - a cheat/smear - but I can live w/ O as Pres
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angie_love Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:14 AM
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2. thats great if she wants to slime McCain but she hasn't been sliming him!!!
She actually praised him. Shes sliming her own fellow democrat and throwing him under the bus. Spare me the bullshit ok? If she were attacking McCain with the same ferosity with which she attacks Obama then I might have a different view of her right now. But shes not. All I've heard her say about McCain is that he has alot more experience than Obama, she had vodka drinking contest with McCain and that they're really close friends. Yeah thats an attack alright :eyes:
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Nine Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:15 AM
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4. I haven't been saying that.
I think Obama's race-baiting was the dirtiest trick.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:16 AM
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5. Cheaters don't turn into good honest people once they gain the Presidency.
If anything, it makes them worse.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:19 AM
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13. Resko
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Yes We Did Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:21 AM
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19. That's what you got? Seriously?
Wow, I can't wait for the trial so you can all eat your own words.

But if that is all you got, that is sad. Cuz we got SO much more on you.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:21 AM
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20. While Obama Did Nothing Wrong, The Clinton Donor List is a Shame Upon The Nation
From Marc Rich's wife to Norman Hsu (believe me, the list is much, much longer), Hillary Clinton's fundraisers are the worst form of quid pro quo.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:23 AM
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25. And we haven't even gotten to Bill's speaking engagements
where foreigners gave him millions and millions and millions of dollars.

This doesn't even get to his library.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:22 AM
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24. they track in the dirt and the smell lingers. yup n/t
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:16 AM
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6. No, we're saying she's been LOSING with dirty tricks
And that doesn't help anyone.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:23 AM
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26. bah hahahha. you are right on. i like that. thank you. n/t
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:39 PM
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43. Absolutely!
Love it! :)
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:16 AM
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7. Save dirty tricks for the GE. Democrats DO NOT LIKE it being used
by and against one of our own!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:18 AM
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11. No. No dirty tricks period.
Unacceptable.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:17 AM
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8. What did Obama say in the last debate about his mailers misrepresenting Hillary
on health care or whatever it was.

Something about thats politics, don't whine about it.


Both candidates and their supporters need to stop whining.

I can just see McCain saying, no sniveling, this job is for grown ups.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:19 AM
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16. Who is whining? I'm laying down my law on unacceptable behavior.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:24 AM
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29. all politicians use unacceptable behavior - it is the nature of the game
look into the background, history, previous races and you will find unacceptable behavior of all the candidates.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:28 AM
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36. Well if they cross my line, they don't get my vote or my support.
There have been a few things that I'm not happy about Obama, but basically, I see someone that wants to be a good and honest President.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:25 AM
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30. hillary exaggerated role in ireland, exaggerates experience, THAT is politics.... dirty tricks,rove
tactics, swiftboating is a whole different story. there is grace in politics, .... there is a line of corrupt, dishonest, dirty
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:17 AM
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9. Anything that isn't flattering to Obama
is derided by his supporters as a dirty trick. It's kind of silly.
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DemzRock Donating Member (824 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:22 AM
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22. Obama-newbies don't haven't seeeeeeeeeen dirty tricks yet... just you wait
until McBush starts his dirty tricks.
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april Donating Member (826 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:19 AM
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14. the Dirty Tricks will be played on us if she becomes Pres
oh god help us
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:26 AM
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33. no, when htey happen instead of hillary feeding it like with the kerry joke,...every dem speak out
how wrong it is. that is how you beat the republicans on it.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:19 AM
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15. Again, Destroying The Moral Authority of The Party For Her Own Ambition
I can't wait until you argue that we should find a President who is willing to do to terrorists what they do to us. I knew that all of the f'ed up things the Bush administration did these last years would sadly no longer have the distinction of "unprecendented."

But I didn't think a Democrat would pick up the precedent so quickly. Really, I can't believe that we are now arguing that we should be more like Bush in South Carolina, smearing opponents because we cannot articulate what we stand for.

Fortunately, we have someone who is incredible at articulating what we stand for and making it seem like common sense.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:22 AM
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21. She's currently running against a democrat.
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 10:22 AM by mmonk
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:22 AM
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23. because it is wrong. i know this is a tough concept now a days, in this world. but that simple.n/t
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:23 AM
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27. But she's not beating them at their own game. She's helping them play it.
Notice who she's attacking-- not McCain or any other repuke.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:26 AM
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32. Indeed
she is beating US with THEIR own game. Very sad.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:39 AM
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38. Yep she's spending our money so McCain can save his for the GE.
Like that red phone ad, which is basically a McCain commercial.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:24 AM
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Becoming what you attempt to defeat
is a very hollow way of winning. Do you think that Feingold, whose picture you use as an avatar, and therefore I assume you admire and respect, would condone such tactics? Contrary to a common perception around here, winning is NOT everything. Unless your post was ment as a sarcasm I failed to get, I find it incredibly demoralizing.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:24 PM
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40. Please don't draw conclusions about my ethical stances
based on provocative questions I might ask. I'm capable of entertaining all sorts of ideas that I would never actually condone. I have had a sense that there were some implicit assumptions and attitudes building and I wanted to render them explicit--to make people actually think through some of these issues.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:37 PM
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42. if your post
was a kind of mental exercise, I have no problem with that.
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:24 AM
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28. Yes she has and on your second point, it's called character and dignity.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:28 AM
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35. It's that she's using them against a DEMOCRAT, Jack!
And even against McCain, I don't think we should
be using "dark baby" tactics against the competition,
EVER!
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:37 AM
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37. When does a Dem get AWAY with cheating when it is done against a GOP candidate?
.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 10:42 AM
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39. What part of behind in delegates don't you understand?
Hillary has not been "winning", she's been losing.

She "won" Ohio and Rhode Island. She lost Vermont. The Texas two step was a split decision w/ the part that matters, the delegate count, going to Obama.

She was 2 for 4 on Tuesday and w/ a marginal net delegate upgrade.

Granted her Rove tactics helped her but on balance she's run one of the most incompetent primary campaigns on recent record.

Competence is NOT her strong suit.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 01:39 PM
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41. This is why Democrats loose.
Over the last 30 years we have had 4 Presidents... 3 of them Republican, 1 Democrat... and that 1 Democrat was Clinton.

Look at track records... the Republicans have had 3 Nominees in the last 30 years, all 3 became president. The democrats have had 7 nominees in the last 30 years... 1 became president... and that 1 was Clinton.

The last time a Clinton won, we were coming off an unpopular war in Iraq and an unpopular president... Kerry had the same scenario and lost.


hmmmm....

George Santayana: Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:42 PM
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45. Wrong!
When Kerry ran, we were not "coming off an unpopular war in Iraq". We were (and still are, as you well know) smack in the middle of it, and it wasn't all that unpopular at the time either among the overall population. And W, like it or not, was not particularly unpopular either (hovering around 50% if I remember exactly). I am not sure what exactly was the point of your post, but at least as far as Kerry is concerned, you were off the mark.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:43 PM
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46. Loose their ties, their belts... what exactly do they loose?
:shrug:
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:41 PM
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44. Great. Let's restaff the police for with convicts and recruit Al Qaeda members to the armed forces
'Set a thief to catch a thief' is an interesting maxim, but it refers to hired hands, not the head honcho. She's welcome to advise on strategy in the GE and head an elite ninja GOP-sabotage team.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:43 PM
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47. You may applaud her using such cheese against a fellow Democrat
but I guarantee the majority of Democrats are appalled.
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cottonseed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:43 PM
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48. Because they'll turn those dirty tricks on us as president.
nt
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:45 PM
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49. Except that the MSM won't let her slime Grandpa McWarhero like that.
All of a sudden they will find her tactics appalling. Then they will be sure to remind everyone how awful she was to that poor Obama.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 02:56 PM
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50. Actually she's giving McCain ammunition to use against her (if she were going to be the nom)
She won't be the nominee, but she knows that - she's too smart to give this much ammunition right now to McCain to destroy her with in the GE. She knows exactly what she's doing and it's disgusting - it's right out of Karl Rove's play book.

If you like that kind of stuff, go to freeperland - they thrive on it too.
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