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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:14 PM
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** Breaking ** Michigan compromise in the works?
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:14 PM by Alhena
This is much better sourced than the earlier report about the caucus.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/

This sounds like some kind of deal where they don't even have a re-vote, just divide the delegates equally or something. Maybe they are floating the idea of a caucus to get Hillary on board- tell her, in effect, "if you don't like this plan, we can always have a caucus."
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:17 PM
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1. In this article, Brewer calls a new caucus a "long shot" ...
due to time and money constraints. This seems to confirm that the caucus report is wrong and that they are looking to some kind of symbolic seating plan in the interests of party peace.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080306/NEWS15/80306069
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:19 PM
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5. Brewer says here "both candidates have to agree"
http://www.wlns.com/Global/story.asp?S=7977940&nav=menu25_2
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:17 PM
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2. A re-caucus for both FL and MI would cost$25 million.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:20 PM
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6. re-caucus or re-primary?
My understanding was that the latter would cost more than the former (ie setting up voter machines), but if that's true I'd be scared of finding out how much the primary costs....
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:22 PM
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11. Re-caucus. And it is my understanding that they cannot legally hold a
new Primary. Thom Hartmann talked about it. Said it would be a caucus, in name only. No speeches and re-voting. Just a straight come in and vote, but set up like a caucus.

A primary would not be allowed for, by law, or affordable.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:23 PM
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14. A party run caucus is MUCH cheaper than a primary.
I believe the estimate for a "firehouse caucus" in Florida was in the range of $2M to $4M. A re-vote of the primary, complete with voting booths, ballots, poll workers, tabulations, etc, was estimated to be $25M.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:17 PM
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3. Good.
Their state party denied them a real election the first go 'round.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:19 PM
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4. It just annoys me to no end the state legislatures that screwed this up in the first place....
want the tax payers to pay for new caucuses/primaries...

Unbelievable.

And they may cost us the election because of it.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:20 PM
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7. then who do you think should pay?
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:21 PM
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9. The legislatures responsible for this decision should donate a portion of their salaries
to these caucuses/primaries.
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:29 PM
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19. Good luck collecting that...
Personally, I think it should be the FL-Democratic party who pays for any redo...


The Florida Democratic wing of the party did this.. Let them pay for it..
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:32 PM
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20. Actually, I believe you have it mixed up
Florida = Republicans were responsible
Michigan = Democrats were responsible
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ruiner4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:35 PM
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21. Damn that CFEE!!!!
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:20 PM
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8. I don't even like THAT plan.
It would seem to be a "no win" situation... but it's not. The person behind (Clinton) always benefits when given the opportunity to add to her percentage.

Have a redo caucus, let both candidate campaign. May the best one win.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:21 PM
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10. i called this months ago
they would split the delegates equally
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Alhena Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:23 PM
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15. Seems less problematic in Michigan since neither candidate can be sure
how well they would do there in a fair vote.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:26 PM
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18. ha..found it
Edited on Thu Mar-06-08 07:26 PM by Magic Rat
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4436846&mesg_id=4439462

Called it on February 6th.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:22 PM
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12. Not going to happen -- from the link:
"Any resolution must be agreeable to all four interested parties: the MDP, the DNC, and both the Clinton and Obama campaigns because we all want a united Democratic Party in Michigan to ensure a victory for the Democratic nominee this fall."

There is no compromise that will be acceptable to both campaigns except a complete new primary (which Obama would have to accede to, though he'd prefer not to), so this isn't going anywhere.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:22 PM
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13. Clinton's fan Governor Jennifer Granholm
Says maybe a sugar daddy will pay for it.
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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:23 PM
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16. they say it would cost $25 million (i think just in florida) to re-do or caucus....
how much is that in Iraq war dollars?

better yet, how much is that in Iraq war dollars/time?
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TAWS Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-06-08 07:23 PM
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17. This would benifit Clinton because Obama would win Michigan on a re-vote
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