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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:23 AM Original message |
Why the Texas caucuses are a farce. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
1. Whine whimper |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Who's whining? I'm pointing out why they are a farce. n/t |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. They are what they are |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Nope, not whining, just educating people who may not know how it works. n/t |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. How do we know that the majority of the nearly 3 million Democrats in Texas are happy with this? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Deleted-double post. n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. especially if they really don't understand how it works? I'm not sure people really understand. n/t |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:35 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Well gee, they've had thirty plus years to change it, |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Um. no. Not if they don't understand how it really works. n/t |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #18 |
25. LOL, I think that after thirty plus years, the Texas Democrats know how their system works |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:44 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. HA! Another flame -- I'm REALLY onto something here. n/t |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. I call them as I see them |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #39 |
42. More proof I'm onto something. Thanks. n/t |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #18 |
36. Umm, three examples, and one of them from a new Texas resident, |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
35. No. Actually it doesn't. |
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Horse with no Name (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
19. No they aren't happy with them |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #19 |
40. More ltte's from the Star-Telegram. NO, they ARE NOT happy. |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #1 |
29. Not whining...it could hurt both candidates equally...maybe BO |
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hueyshort (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
51. Clinton voters were locked out of some TX caucuses |
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HCE SuiGeneris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #51 |
68. About as far as you have in DU. |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
2. This is not limited to Texas |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I wonder how many people who vote in caucuses know this? n/t |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. It's not limited to caucuses. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Are the results non=binding in all other states? Is there a documented way to audit the results? n/ |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:26 AM Response to Original message |
3. I have come to the conclusion that the caucuses are for the Party, not the people. n/t |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
7. Unfortunately, you and Hillary aren't going to be able to move those goalposts in |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Why in the world are you putting me and Hillary together? Check my posts. |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:30 AM Response to Original message |
9. What do you know about Texas caucuses? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. um, I posted links from the TX Democrats website. n/t |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Yes, I have read the information in those links |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Yes, the delegates are chosen by the people in the caucus. n/t |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. The delegates are chosen by the supporters of the candidate |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:43 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. And that assumes everyone in the caucus KNOWS everyone else. |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #31 |
41. So, individuals from precincts pretend to support a candidate |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. It's a hole in the system that I have pointed out. And it's the AUDIT problem. n/t |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. One of the things one can do is propose resolutions at a caucus |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #46 |
48. ooh,, nice sidestep. n/t |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Who is sidestepping? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Thank you for admitting the flaw exists. Thank you very much. n/t |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #55 |
63. Look, I'm not trying to attack you |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #63 |
64. Oh, really? Not trying to attack me...could have fooled me. n/t |
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blogslut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Okay |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. oh, and thanks for the kicks -- this way other people can be educated about the "process" n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:04 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. And the flaws....n/t |
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kennetha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
21. Do you think either side is dirty enough? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Yep. Lots of room for "gaming the system". And do people know how to audit the results? n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. That's why people in each precinct need to audit the results of the convention. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
27. And the fact that I seem to be getting flamed for pointing some of this stuff out is, well, |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
28. Because Hillary lost them? |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:45 AM Response to Reply #28 |
33. PLEASE, check my other posts. Definitely NOT a Hillary supporter. n/t |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
30. Um, that's not just TX caucuses... that's all primaries, all caucuses. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. Well, I can't vouch for "all" of them. I wonder if people really understand how it works. |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Of course not. Most simply don't give a damn. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:51 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. And it seems like some on DU are getting REALLY UPSET that we are pointing this stuff out. Gee.. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:48 AM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Let's make this point a little louder Redqueen (m) |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #38 |
45. I can't vouch for "all" the others -- I can only vouch for Texas from the links I found. n/t |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Great non-answer, there. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
54. My, my, another attack. Gee, I wonder why...I've only pointed out the TX process. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Playing the victim. That's effective. I've asked you a simple question |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Ooh, nice attack again. I DID answer the question. I can't vouch for the other states. |
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moc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:11 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Read post #53 which lays out exactly what I have told you. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. It ain't bashing if it's the truth. I'm only pointing out how it works in Texas. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. oh, and thanks for the kicks -- this way other people can be educated about the "process" n/t |
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mohc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:00 AM Response to Reply #30 |
53. Quite right |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
69. I don't think the OP really wants an answer anyway. But nice of you to try! |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
47. My, my. why am I getting attacked on this thread? Gee, I wonder.... n/t |
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Renew Deal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #47 |
67. Because you don't understand the process. |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Oh, but sweetheart, I DO understand the process. I most certainly do. And that's what upsets people |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
49. Thanks for the kicks, guys! I appreciate it -- gets more attention to the issue. n/t |
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antigop (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-07-08 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
65. Hey, folks this was educational. Thanks. Gotta go...got work to do..not paid to post on DU all day. |
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