Clinton wins elections, Obama wins caucuses. The GE is an election.

That just about sums it up. You can protest all you want about how a 60 year old woman is treating your youngster. And you can cry that you'll vote for McCain (yeah, riiiight), but, Hillary will win in the general election, Obama will not.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/anatole_kaletsky/article3492457.ece

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It's bizzaro world in the clinton camp :crazy:

Stop spreading lies.

that Obama is ahead even in the popular vote at the moment, even with Florida counted.

a man who has many more years of experience and service to his country than she has. And they have the same poor judgment concerning Iraq. She's made me take a whole new look at him.

national security. Keep up the illusion.

a worthwhile war and a fucking stupid one. Your gal doesn't. She's the one with no creds.

because she won't be in it. So, sorry.

:eyes:

Shout out to all my fellow Hillary supporter's out there :hi: Just remember,this is why they are shouting you down and so angry now - Hang tough!

There's only one reason people rant and hate and sputter -- it's when they are wrong and are too vain to reconsider their behavior. Mr. Rofl replaces dialog, and raw hatred replaces honest inquiry. The name calling starts; the skin becomes tissue-thin. And blame is put on some convenient enemy.

I've seen it more times than I care to remember. It's going to kill the modern GOP, and it's going to sink Obama.

--p!

how will she be the nominee?

so your premise is fatally flawed. Furthermore, it's you hilldroids that whimper and whine at every turn. obama will dismantle dirty hilly's campaign and we'll be able to toss her on the ash heap of history.

contact w/ in the hallway. She's scary and isn't afraid to cus.

EEEKK!!!!

She's devolved to grade-school level name-calling. It's a shame - she used to be somewhat reasonable.

I'm sick of dirty hilly and her filthy ways. I'm sick of hillbots too.

:dunce:

I think your OP title is misleading. It's a good subject for discussion but not what is discussed at your link. Meanwhile, I thought the OP you linked to was well reasoned and deserves discussion based on it's actual content.

And closes 20+ point gaps on presumptive nominees... over and over and over and over again.

He also has the most pledged delegates, has the popular vote, has the most states and has the most money.

unless the primary is decided by arbitrary means (Superdelegates voting against the will of the people).

In which case, we will lose.

http://thoughtcrimes.org/s9/index.php?/archives/2306-The-only-losing-scenario-for-Democrats.html

While there is a loathsome chimp in office blue states will stay blue, and I bet we'll turn some red ones.

There has been a lot of repub mischief in the open primaries,l but you won't find repubs caucusing for dems, therefore Hillary is not carrying them.

I was campaigning at my local coffee shop @ 5 am this morning. another one converted. Go HRC

Obama has won more:

Caucuses
Open primary elections
Closed primary elections
Pledged Delegates
Overall Delegates
Overall Votes
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Hillary has won more:

Super Delegates

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Do you actually win super delegates, if not, then she hasn't much of anything.

Greeted by Clinton supporters with the sound of crickets chirping.

HI, The Virgin Island and the Democrats abroad vote.

In fact, Obama has won more elections in this race than Hillary has.

He's also won more caucuses.

Obama's also ran and been elected far more time than Hillary has in her life.

Hillary is bad for other Democrats winning elections though. Look what happened to the party when her and Bill were in the White House. They lost both houses of congress for the first time if 40 years.

Thanks a bunch, Hill.

Obama has been able to exploit the loose structure of the caucus system to his benefit, but it won't translate into a win in the GE.

he could exploit anything. Compared to here, people at our caucus were pretty civil even downright friendly. It was great meeting fellow Democrats.

Caucus only represents a small portion of voters. I am sure more voters will show up at the voting booths in November, then were there at the Caucus.

here at DU, it is a waste of keystrokes, and reflects poorly on the poster.

so far, according to my spreadsheet of CNN data.

Obama's vote margin over Hillary in those 27 primaries is 371,000, and his margin over Hillary in those 13 caucuses is 200,000.

See the spreadsheet and CNN links at URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4918049 .

So is the electoral college. I want a candidate who knows how the system works and can put a strategy in place to actually win.

cast votes for Hillary in the "important" states will not vote for Obama in order to get a Democrat in the White House. Obama has an advantage because not only will he get people who voted for Hillary, he'll have his own following, Independents and disaffected Republicans who want the war to end. He's done well in some red states and there's a possibility he might pick off 1 or 2 in the general election. The "she's won the important states" meme doesn't play.

fallacies that she can win in the fall:

fallacy 1: Clinton could win OH the same way she won it against Barack: by capturing the rural vote. Sorry, but those will all be McCain's. Which leaves her with the cities, which Barack won. So who votes for Clinton in Ohio?

fallacy 2: Barack didn't beat Hillary in swing states. Wisconsin, Iowa, Missouri, Colorado, etc. prove that wrong.

fallacy 3: some states that were blue last time aren't trending red and are safe if Hillary is the nominee. There's Hawaii: poised to be red in the fall, unless the native son runs.

fallacy 4: Florida is a swing state. No, sorry: Florida is a red state, with the red apparatus in place, red rules, red voter registration, a red governor, and red dirty politics. The single smartest thing democrats can do in the fall is ignore Florida--or make a show effort there that forces MacBombIran to splash out some cash. But Dems will NOT carry it.

fallacy 5: Only Hillary can win the biggest true blue big states in the Fall, because she won them in the primary. Which of these big blues will go to McCain: California, New York? Please.

fallacy 6: Hillary can turnout the vote to unseat a single traditionally red state. Show me where. By contrast, Virginia, marginally red last time, looks like a possible switch to blue with Barack at the top of the ticket. Even North Carolina and Georgia might be doable, but only if Clinton's instant and automated GOP GOTV isn't in play.

fallacy 7: The candidates bring equal turnouts to the table. True--but not necessarily to the benefit of the Democratic Party. One candidate brings new voters and motivated Democrats, the other brings termites out of the woodwork to vote against her. One has crossover appeal without Rush Limbaugh's help, the other doesn't. One can help downticket races, the other drags down the ticket.

The GE is an open primary.

Sounds like an election to me.

:shrug:

And won almost all of the caucases.

kudos @ K&R

Obama has won just as many primary elections as Hillary.

Sorry. :shrug:

the insult 30 state strategy continues.

Primary:
Obama 1079.5
Clinton 1061.5
Lead 18

Caucus:
Obama 299
Clinton 167
Lead 132

Total:
Obama 1378.5
Clinton 1228.5
Lead 150

Obama and Clinton are basically even in primaries, but he is ahead nonetheless. Obama is way ahead in the caucuses, and almost all of his total lead comes from this. But to say Clinton is winning the primaries is just flat out wrong. Obama has more primary delegates, more primary votes, and more primary state wins than Clinton, by all measures he is winning.

Update: Including Vote Totals
Primary popular vote totals:
Obama 12,619,783
Clinton 12,216,674
Lead 403,109

Primaries won:
Obama 16
Clinton 13

Caucuses won:
Obama 12
Clinton 2