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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:28 AM
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News Flash: Hillary Clinton wins in electoral college match up
Hillary Clinton has proven that she can win in the states that count in the general election. It's as simple as that. Some of those states will be in jeopardy if Obama is our nominee.

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/5/9312/67590#commenttop



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islandmkl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:29 AM
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1. well then, we can all go home and rest for a while...
come back in November, is that it?
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:30 AM
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2. Dillisional - she's a traitor to our party.
No dem throws another dem under the bus to uplift Bomb, Bomb, McLame.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:52 AM
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16. Then two-thirds of the people here aren't Dems either
by your criteria. You're all trying to throw Clinton under the bus.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:00 PM
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19. Sorry, the post referred to Clinton, not to her supporters. She won't get my vote
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 12:01 PM by still_one
in the general election should she get the nomination

mccain and her deserve each other

It wasn't that long ago I would have voted for WHOEVER the Democratic nominee was

After her comments how she and mccain were sooooo much more experienced to be President, and Obama was only a speech, she lost my vote.

If she gets the nomination, I have no illusions that she doesn't need my vote to win, but it is the only statement I have how much I disapprove of her.

I can hardly wait until the Clinton campaign calls me to ask for money


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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:03 PM
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20. Meh
and people here say they won't vote for Obama if he's the nominee, too.

I think you're all full of shit.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:13 PM
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22. and I think YOUR candidate is!!!, you don't need my vote anyway /nt
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 12:14 PM by still_one
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Rageneau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:21 PM
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27. If Clinton is a traitor, Obama is a commie spy.
See how easy it is to throw around empty invective? All it takes is a dark heart and an angry mind.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:28 PM
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28. I didn't call Clinton a traitor. That was someone else
To me when Clinton said she and mccain have the experience to be president, but Obama doesn't, that is why I won't vote for her

Hey, I'm not voting republican, so most likely I suspect she will do quite nicely without my support

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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:30 AM
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3. SuveyUSA shows the same thing about Obama
:shrug:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:32 AM
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4. And Obama beats McCain by a better margin.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:18 PM
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26. Not to mention, HRC's map includes FL, which the Republicans still control
while Obama's doesn't. (We control Ohio now).

If they steal FL, then HRC's win is a loss.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:32 AM
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5. USA Surveys Show Both Candidates Win
I think you need to adjust your title. The USA surveys, done state by state, show that both Obama and Clinton would win in a general election based upon electoral votes. However, there is not enough room for comfort for either.

There was detailed analysis yesterday on www.dailykos.com, with maps. It showed they would win some different states. Most of the states that Clinton would win, but Obama would not, are states such as PA. where Obama has not yet campaigned.

I live in PA, and many people are hesitant to support Obama because they do not yet know enough about him. That will change once the campaign starts in PA.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:36 AM
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9. Texas may be in play if Obama is the nominee
Senator Obama also wins and we get more states in play if he is the nominee. I love the concept that Texas would be in play with Mccain only being up 1% if Senator Obama is the nominee. I would love to see the Democrats take Texas or force the Repblicans to spend a great deal of money defending this state
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:36 AM
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10. Great Analysis on www.dailykos.com
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3/6/145023/7178/225/470640

The above includes great analysis and maps by Kos of www.dailykos.com of the state by state surveys.
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:33 AM
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6. "states that count". nice
With huge momentum and down ticket influence, Obama can move more red states over to blue states.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:40 AM
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11. Obama does much better in midwest and west
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 11:44 AM by JPZenger
Those surveys show Obama doing much better in midwest and western states than Hillary. Those are the areas where the Dems have been picked up most of their new seats in Congress. Yes, Obama's enthusiam and Dean's 50 state strategy will motivate voters in formerly red states, which will help
elect the working congressional majority we need.

We also need Dem legislatures so the Repubs can't screw us out of house seats through Tom Delay-style gerrymandering. That redistricting will be done by legislatures in 2012.

Hillary's strategy is to divide and conquer with 51% of the electoral votes, and writing off huge parts of the country. In 2006, she had tens of millions in excess dollars in her Senate campaign. She didn't use them to help Dems in serious need, even though she had a token opponent. That money could have elected several additional Dem members of Congress. Meanwhile, Obama raised millions for other Dems in 2006, and had only $1 million left in his own campaign account afterward.

Bill Clinton did not win by a majority vote in 1992 or 1996 - he won because of Perot. During the Clinton years, Dems lost large numbers of congressional seats and governorships. Several State Dem parties were literally in bankruptcy until Howard Dean rescued them.

Clintonistas were never concerned building the party. The Clintons' strategy has always just been about the Clintons.
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Sulawesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:33 AM
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7. Newsflash: you are cherry picking your blogs...
for example...in this one, both beat mccain, but BO does it more handily...

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=4374
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:35 AM
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8. Some of those states will be in jeopardy if Obama is our nominee?
Prove that "Some of those states will be in jeopardy if Obama is our nominee." Just because Obama has lost a few states to Clinton doesn't necessarily mean he would lose those states in the general. The vast majority of polls have shown that Obama will either be a stronger candidate in the general or at least equally as strong.
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Obamaniac Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:51 AM
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13. The OP doesn't have to prove anything...
The OP is a Clinton supporter, as such he/she is free to talk out of his/her ass.

General right of any Clinton supporter in no particular order:

1. To fudge, exaggerate or just completely make up any statistic in order to make Hillary look stronger than she is.

2. To distort statements made by Obama.

3a. To change rules at any time when they are unfavorable.

3b. To change rules that Hillary herself advocated when they are unfavorable.

4. To claim the experience of Hillary's husband as her own.

5. To claim experience going back to her graduation from College, but ignoring that Obama has a college degree as well, coupled with a lifetime of experience.

Am I missing anything?

The reason the Clinton campaign and her supporters are spinning so hard is because they don't have a pot to piss in.

Obama will come away with the majority of delegates, states and popular vote after the primaries are done. He will then win the support of the vast majority of super-delegates.

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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:48 AM
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12. Thats not what Survey USA has determined.
Obama wins.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:51 AM
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14. ...more like a LSD flash back. n/t
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Edgewater_Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:52 AM
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15. More MyHRC Biased Splooge
Those people should be ashamed of themselves.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:53 AM
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17. She will NEVER get my vote in the general election. She and mccain deserve each other /nt
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:57 AM
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18. I question the methodology of those maps
Hilary wins FL,OH, and PA, but loses WA, which last went R in Reagan's 84 landslide?

I doubt any electoral map is going to resemble reality until we have a definite nominee, unfortunately.
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JPZenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:09 PM
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21. The Boeing Decision Will Hurt McCain in Washington
I would imagine the decision to not give the multi-billion refueling contract to Boeing will hurt McCain in Washington. The deal was almost signed years ago with Boeing before McCain stopped it.

Meanwhile, the production line for this type of plane will likely shut down. Once it shuts down, it is hard to restart. Therefore, it will be hard for the US to produce refueling planes within our borders.

Meanwhile, our pilots need to conduct dangerous fueling missions with planes that should have been retired many years ago.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:16 PM
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23. nope....
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:17 PM
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24. Totally inept. as if MA or NY were in jeopardy if Obama is the nominee.
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 12:19 PM by Mass
Amstrong needs to have his head examined.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 12:17 PM
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25. This is for those who think GE matters...
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