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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:13 PM
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Why wasn't Hillary so concerned about Florida and Michigan until AFTER they voted?
The DNC made the decision long before the primaries even started after all. Did Hillary protest it then? No. Hillary didn't begin screaming to reinstate the delegate slates from those states until after they voted. Before that, we didn't even hear a peep from her. If she's legitimately concerned about disenfranchising the voters of those states then why is that?
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:15 PM
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1. Actually, she did start whining about it before the vote, at least in FL.
She got in the news about it. I saw it as a way to have the newspapers help her campaign, without her technically breaking the rule against campaigning. It was slick, but not awful like some of her other campaign tactics have been.

However, I think if you go back to when the DNC decision was made, you will find that she didn't have much to say.

Your essential point stands: she didn't start making noise until she was sure it could help her.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:24 PM
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5. That's key; when the DNC came up with the decision, she didn't
argue against it. So why is she doing so now?
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:26 PM
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6. Bill Nelson. He helped engineer this. He and the traitor though tthey could pull
FL into her column through their little game.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:17 PM
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2. She issued a formal statement supporting seating the delegates before FL voted.
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=5492

But hey why ask people to be accurate with their smears.
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JackintheGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:21 PM
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4. Using her words, then, she said
in the same statement: "But I hope to be President of all 50 states and U.S. territories." Why, then, has her campaign constantly dismissed states that voted for Obama as not mattering?
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:26 PM
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7. 1/25?
Still rather late? Also rather conveniently after Iowa and New Hampshire have voted...
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:28 PM
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9. Like Obama's "My name can't even appear on the ballot/can I have permission to run TV ads" shift
Before IA & NH had voted and afterwards.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:31 PM
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10. He ran a national ad
He can't run it in only 49 states. Considering Florida was worth 0 delegates I see no reason why he'd spend all that money just as a way of advertising in a meaningless beauty contest. That'd be a bigger waste of money than how the Hillary campaign staffers are spending it now apparently.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:36 PM
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12. He could have waited a week.
No other candidates (except for a couple of Rudy commericals on Fox News Sunday) had run a national campaign yet.

The pledge before Iowa & New Hampshire was interpreted that drastic action must be taken to prevent even a hint of Obama participation in MI.

But in FL? After IA & NH had voted, he sought permission to run TV ads.

Notice the drastic nature of one approach vs the other.

Maybe once an Obama supporter will admit removing his name from the MI ballot was more political stunt than dutiful honoring of a pledge. But I won't count on it.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:38 PM
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13. Why does it matter if the ad ran in Florida?
The results there didn't matter. It'd be like complaining about him running ads in Europe.

Or even better, complaining about him running ads on TV and radio stations in Georgia and Alabama that reach Florida.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:41 PM
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15. So the pledge he made specifically banning campaigning in MI & FL did not matter?
"Or even better, complaining about him running ads on TV and radio stations in Georgia and Alabama that reach Florida."

DNC rules cover that. Basically any ad that reach's a significant portion of that state's voters qualifies as campaigning.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:32 PM
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11. Let's also look at the last poll before that date
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportEmail.aspx?g=4e581176-58bf-46f1-9f36-2e397ecefffa

Yea, that says something.

So why did she wait that long rather than protest it right after the DNC made the decision?
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:39 PM
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14. That last poll has Obama at the closest he was to Hillary in FL all year.
"So why did she wait that long rather than protest it right after the DNC made the decision?"

Many people held out hope for compromise. I am sure her campaign did as well.

Shit Obama himself was hinting to FL supporters in Sept that he would seat the delegates.


The Tampa Tribune reported that Obama “hinted” he would seat Florida’s delegates anyway if he becomes the party’s presumptive nominee. Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said the statement was misreported.

According to Vietor, Obama was asked whether he would seat Florida’s delegates if he were the presumptive nominee. Vietor said Obama answered the question by saying he was so far from being the presumptive nominee that to answer the question would be arrogant.

The St. Petersburg Times reported on a different event, providing a transcript of the brief question-and-answer with Obama and a reporter where Obama says he can’t talk to the press.

http://www.qctimes.com/articles/2007/10/02/news/local/doc4701d430c0901180527069.txt
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:44 PM
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16. Obama can't seat the delegates
Only the DNC Rules committee can. Neither Hillary or Obama are on it.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:19 PM
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3. I just posted a related OP, where she's saying she "won't accept" results of primary do-overs
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:28 PM
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8. So she'll refuse her delegates from the revotes?
Hey, I won't complain.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 03:46 PM
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17. Hillary's campaign began with her assuming she would be the nominee.
There was no need to be concerned about anything beyond Super Tuesday.
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