Oops, Obama!

I knew she called Hillary a monster, but did you know that Samantha Powers also said Obama's 16 month plan to get troops out wasn't SERIOUS? Just words! Yet he continually slams her for not having a deadline... Enjoy Mississippi, it's your last win, BO!


story at:


http://guerillawomentn.blogspot.com/

Maybe his words are all just bullshit. I bet his supporters hope not.

...and Obama was in fact... NOT guilty?


You mean THAT situation?



lol...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x101953

PS Whos husband signed NAFTA?

And this one isnt.

Ok....

verifiable.

of Clinton's camp talking to Canada is FALSE.

but don't trust Olbermann, he seems like a hill hater these days. Tweety has looked good next to him.

NAFTA situation?

Obama's campaign screwed up on the NAFTA memo and they need to clean it up. The whole canadian response and dialogue is very confusing with moving parts, multiple characters and everyone pointing at each other. And I'm sure you think there's some back room shenanigans between HRC and the canadian gov't/The Scotsman to sabbotage Obama's campaign. It's not that complicated.

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Amend the North American Free Trade Agreement: Obama believes that NAFTA and its potential were oversold to the American people. Obama will work with the leaders of Canada and Mexico to fix NAFTA so that it works for American workers.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy/#trade

Sounds horrible!!!

:eyes:

The one that the Canadian Govt now says that the Clinton campaigned called them about?

now he's on to to pandering about Katrina.

Part of her quote:

The host, Stephen Sackur, challenged her:"So what the American public thinks is a commitment to get combat forces out in 16 months isn't a commitment isn't it?"

"You can’t make a commitment in March 2008 about what circumstances will be like in January of 2009," she said. "He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. Senator. He will rely upon a plan – an operational plan – that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground to whom he doesn’t have daily access now, as a result of not being the president. So to think – it would be the height of ideology to sort of say, 'Well, I said it, therefore I’m going to impose it on whatever reality greets me.'"

"It’s a best-case scenario," she said again.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/Power_on_Obamas_Iraq_plan_best_case_scenario.html

anyone who thinks they can just make a blanket statement that "We will withdraw the troops by ______ date" is simply wrong.

But that's PART OF WHAT OBAMA'S CAMPAIGNING ON. That Hillary won't make that time-limit commitment to withdrawal.

I checked out that article you sent, and it's clear Power is a smart and dedicated woman...but she sure isn't doing the Obama campaign any favors.

It's a ridiculous statement.


I'm glad you checked out the article. She's very very high on my short list of people I completely respect as human beings.

MrCoffee isn't an Obama supporter. He's not defending the campaign, he's defending Power's statements. He's a fanboy. :D

She's wonderful.


Obama and Clinton, eh, not so much.

See post 19.

I don't like either frontrunner. I LOVE LOVE LOVE Samantha Power, however. She's amazing.

Read "Bystanders to Genocide", Atlantic Monthly, Sept. 2001

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200109/power-genocide

....

She would be a tremendous asset to any Democratic administration.

rofl!

:crazy:

she's got the olive branch out

Much better choices out there.

he's got too many unanswered skeletons in the closet.

should be understood. Get lost.

:spray:

There's this thing called Congress...

She says that you can never tell what the situation will be like in January 09 when Obama becomes President, because we don't know what Bush may do, but 16 months is the best case scenario and the plant.

There is no misrepresentation.

I watched the whole video.

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and you respond to more lies from Team McClinton with "whatever"?

How can it be misrepresented?

"You can’t make a commitment in March 2008 about what circumstances will be like in January of 2009," she said. "He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. Senator. He will rely upon a plan – an operational plan – that he pulls together in consultation with people who are on the ground to whom he doesn’t have daily access now, as a result of not being the president. So to think – it would be the height of ideology to sort of say, 'Well, I said it, therefore I’m going to impose it on whatever reality greets me.'"

"It’s a best-case scenario," she said again.

Reminds me of that old Eddie Murphy skit: "Who are you gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes?" :rofl:

Where in the video is that quote?

it's all about advancing his candidate..... Truth be damned.

with the evangelical's for Bush......the guy could do not wrong, NOT!!

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq /

"Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda."

You misrepresented what it said though. It was straight talk about how he would get the troops home as soon as possible.

Wouldn't it be Nice?

Look how hillary has lied over and over again. The latest was about her telling the Canadian government that her NAFTA campaign talk was all rhetoric, then blaming Obama for the same thing.

How is any of this with obama stooping to her level?

Obama's Iraq position is what it is.

"The latest was the allegation (no credible source yet) that her campaign told the Canadian government that her NAFTA campaign talk was all rhetoric, and the Canadian governement blamed Obama for the same thing" There, that's better...and true.

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq /

"Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda."


Now, I'd like to hear more about how the OP was misrepresenting things.

It says "Samantha Powers also said Obama's 16 month plan to get troops out wasn't SERIOUS" which is a lie. What she said was that was a best case, but he would get them out as soon as possible.

Here are the facts. He has that statement posted on his website. He's taken Hillary to task for not implementing a time-limit on troop withdrawal, insinuating that she is not committed to ending the war in Iraq. Then one of his advisors comes out in an interview and states that the 16 month withdrawal plan is a "best case scenario". Those are all facts.

Just basic reading skills. But you seemed skilled in spin. I have doubts hillary would even attempt to bring them home.

This place is ridiculous. :rofl: I'm going home now. Bye!

You are right that some of it is ridiculous, we just disagree on what part. I had rather believe my eyes, ears and logic than spinmeisters.

Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject Yes, perhaps she can repeat this remark > > >
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4953518#4953552
4953552, Yes, perhaps she can repeat this remark > > >
Posted by Kurt_and_Hunter on Fri Mar-07-08 02:54 PM

On Conference Call, Obama Advisers Parry More Incoming Fire
By Greg Sargent - March 7, 2008, 2:24PM


The skirmishing over Samantha Power continued on an Obama campaign conference call moments ago, with the action shifting over to this recent interview with Power about Obama's commitment to withdrawing from Iraq.

In that interview, Power said the following about Obama's future approach to withdrawal from Iraq: "He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. Senator."

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/03/on_conference_call_obama_advis.php

"He will, of course, not rely on some plan that he’s crafted as a presidential candidate or a U.S. Senator."

I would hope that you could spend your time then looking at what Hillary has actually said and done.

I would hope that you could spend your time then looking at what Hillary has actually said and done.

It's ridiculous to claim unequivocally that you're going to withdraw US troops 18 months from now. No one can legitimately make that statement.

First he promises to serve his full term in the Senate--unless he plans on losing, that was a lie.
He tells Democrats he's anti-NAFTA but has his surrogate tell the Canadians not to worry, then lies that a meeting ever took place.
Promises he will run a new kind of campaign without the politics of negativity--but says now that Hillary has gone negative, he'll have to break his promise on that one, too.
Tells the American people he has a specific plan and timetable for Iraq, but his now-departed military advisor says we shouldn't hold him to that promise, either.



How many more broken promises will it take for people to realize that they are being played, bigtime?

:thumbsup:

He is an empty suit, full of empty, lovely words. If I was hiring a guy to look and sound great, I'd vote for him in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I need someone who can, you know, DO STUFF.

He said if his Republican opponent agreed to public financing, Obama would, too. Lied about that.

And I just thought of another one. He said that superdelegates shouldn't decide the nomination, but now that he sees he can't reach 2025, he's gone back on that, as well.

Keep 'em coming, kids.

:thumbsup: Played big time! :evilgrin:

First he promises to serve his full term in the Senate--unless he plans on losing, that was a lie.
He tells Democrats he's anti-NAFTA but has his surrogate tell the Canadians not to worry, then lies that a meeting ever took place.
Promises he will run a new kind of campaign without the politics of negativity--but says now that Hillary has gone negative, he'll have to break his promise on that one, too.
Tells the American people he has a specific plan and timetable for Iraq, but his now-departed military advisor says we shouldn't hold him to that promise, either.



How many more broken promises will it take for people to realize that they are being played, bigtime?

Gen. Wesley Clark: “I’m quite concerned about what we heard from the Obama campaign because I’m not sure where it leads us….”

Former State Dept. official James Rubin: In Obama campaign “it’s amateur hour on making foreign policy.”

Power always stood up for Clark.

Rubin is simply lying through his teeth.

She defended the hell out of him.

then details changed, but the plan did not. Are you now telling me that Obama should stick to his withdrawal plan even if things change in the next 9 months?

oh my god.. I dared to name chelsea.. that darling little 28 yr old child who must never be interviewed or mentioned, unless it's to say how wonderful she is..

If this gets fucked.

Are you serious?? Now Oompa is lying?? OMG, this cannot be good for him.

"I'm a liar"

I'll not edit it so people know WTF you're talking about. Excuse it, por favor.

and the only possible RATIONAL position on this. You cannot let what you say during a campaign 100% dictate what you will do once 1. you have all the facts that a president does, and a candidate does not; and 2. you deal with the situation that exists almost one year from now, that may be quite different from the situation now. Anybody that would state that they will do exactly what they claim during a campaign. IRRESPECTIVE of the facts at the point when the policy has to be implemented is either an idiot or completely disingenuous (also known as lying through their teeth). The Clintons are not idiots. Draw your own conclusions.

The only thing that I do not like about all this is that it should be a non-issue, and the Obama camp should defend what Power said, instead of being intimidated into distancing themselves from this completely reasonable position. I do not think they are doing that, and IMHO it is wrong.

As to what Clark and Rubin have said, as others have noted, shame on them!