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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:52 PM
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The Clinton Rules
By Andrew Sullivan

The new meme is that politics has returned to normal and that this election will now be run by Clinton rules. Many are relieved by this. You could sense the palpable discomfort among many in Washington that their world might actually shift a little next year. But if elections are primarily about fear and mud, and who best operates in a street fight, Beltway comfort returns. This we know. This we understand. This we already have the language to describe. And, the feeling goes, the Clintons can win back the White House in this atmosphere. What she is doing to Obama she can try to do to McCain. Maybe Limbaugh will help her out again.

What I think this misses are the cultural and social consequences of beating Obama (or McCain) this way. I don't mean beating Obama because the Clintons' message is more persuasive, or because the Clintons' healthcare plan is better, or because she has a better approach to Iraq. I mean: beating him by a barrage of petty attacks, by impugning his clear ability to be commander-in-chief, by toying with questions about his "Muslim past", by subtle invocation of the race card, by intermittent reliance on gender identity politics, by taking faux offense to keep the news cycle busy ("shame on you, Barack Obama!") and so on. If the Clintons beat Obama this way, I have a simple prediction. It will mean a mass flight from the process. It will alter the political consciousness of an entire generation of young voters - against any positive interaction with the political process for the foreseeable future. I'm not sure that Washington yet understands the risk the Clintons are taking with their own party and the future of American politics.

The reason so many people have re-engaged with politics this year is because many sense their country is in a desperate state and because only one candidate has articulated a vision and a politics big enough to address it without dividing the country down the middle again. For the first time in decades, a candidate has emerged who seems able to address the country's and the world's needs with a message that does not rely on Clintonian parsing or Rovian sleaze. For the first time since the 1960s, we have a potential president able to transcend the victim-mongering identity politics so skillfully used by the Clintons. If this promise is eclipsed because the old political system conspires to strangle it at birth, the reaction from the new influx of voters will be severe. The Clintons will all but guarantee they will lose a hefty amount of it in the fall, as they richly deserve to. Some will gravitate to McCain; others will be so disillusioned they will withdraw from politics for another generation. If the Clintons grind up and kill the most promising young leader since Kennedy, and if they do it not on the strength of their arguments, but by the kind of politics we have seen them deploy, the backlash will be deep and severe and long. As it should be.

He has a million little donors. He has brought many, many Republicans and Independents to the brink of re-thinking their relationship with the Democratic party. And he has won the majority of primaries and caucuses and has a majority of the delegates and popular vote. This has been a staggering achievement - one that has already made campaign history. If the Clintons, after having already enjoyed presidential power for eight long years, destroy this movement in order to preserve their own grip on privilege and influence in Democratic circles, it will be more than old-fashioned politics. It will be a generational moment - as formative as 1968. Killing it will be remembered for a very, very long time. And everyone will remember who did it - and why.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/03/the-clinton-rul.html
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:53 PM
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1. More attacks using RW propaganda ...
Edited on Fri Mar-07-08 11:10 PM by Trajan
Damn are we lucky or what ?
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:00 PM
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4. very lucky! we have RW propogandists to thank for hill's "perceived"
texas win.
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:04 PM
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7. Let us see, since Monday how many delegates has Obama gained on Clinton
+12 (Mahalo California and more to come soon from NY). Hillary won two states, Obama one and they tied in Tx but he gains in delegates and 4 less states to vote.

When was the last week that Hillary gained more delegates than Obama?
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:11 PM
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12. you got me....
with each "win" she seems to be going backwards. But the media narrative remains, "Hillary's the Big Winner".
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:06 PM
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8. Pot meet kettle nt
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:09 PM
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11. Pot meet kettle ? .... WTF ?
I have been SOLID in supporting ALL the Democratic party candidates ... from DAY ONE ....

Absolutely SOLID behind our fine candidates .....

This is utter nonsense ....
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:13 PM
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13. No it is not nonsense
it was in regards to you saying RW tactics being employed, and parts of HRC's "kitchen sink" strategy has been very RW. I did not mean to imply the phrase to you, just to who you support.

:beer:

drinking the IPA
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:15 PM
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15. Hillary is running a tough campaign ....
Obama is running a tough campaign ...

DUers are attacking like right wingers ....

I support them both, and REJECT RW attacks against our own candidates ....

Yeah ... nonsense it is ....
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stop the bleeding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:19 PM
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17. Agree to disagree
I will still vote for either in the GE no matter who gets it.
:beer:

drinking the IPA
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:56 PM
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2. Oh my - Andy again.
A rabid right winger with a crush on Obama. Dear, dear, dear.
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 10:59 PM
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3. The most striking and part of this article to me....
"If the Clintons, after having already enjoyed presidential power for eight long years, destroy this movement in order to preserve their own grip on privilege and influence in Democratic circles, it will be more than old-fashioned politics. It will be a generational moment - as formative as 1968. Killing it will be remembered for a very, very long time. And everyone will remember who did it - and why."

I'm liking Andrew Sullivan more and more.
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surfin Donating Member (250 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:02 PM
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6. When you see truth like this, it is hard to argue with
Sit back and watch the people answer who want a Queen.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:01 PM
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5. What a great article. Says just what I'd been thinking--that we're
headed back into the bad old days with Rove and Clintonian politics, if Obama is not the nominee. The party goes back on life support, with its motley collection of special interest groups, and no clear direction or appeal to anyone outside of the core base.
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PITBOS Donating Member (109 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:06 PM
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9. this is a GREAT quote from this article and very true
"If the Clintons grind up and kill the most promising young leader since Kennedy, and if they do it not on the strength of their arguments, but by the kind of politics we have seen them deploy, the backlash will be deep and severe and long. As it should be."

and THIS is why there is extreme dislike of the monster. If she would beat bo on the issues and what SHE can offer then ok. But she can't. So she attacks and uses things like his relegion and his race and keeps comparing him to Bush & co; which the monster's own team said in Dec is very dirty politics.

Lets face it - the main reason the monster is doing as well as she is - is because she's a woman. If this was a man many of you folks would blow him out of the water with these gutter politics.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:07 PM
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10. I look forward to an Obama-McCain battle.
I really do. It will be a respectful ideological smackdown. It will be a realignment and blurring of party lines. It will be a breath of fresh air in America at a time when somebody really needs to open a window.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:14 PM
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14. Rules are for losers
:think:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:16 PM
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16.  It doesn't matter if it's a right or left wing analyst
writing how far the clinton campaign has sunk into the lee atwater school of politics..it only takes someone who can map out their history since Iowa.

Anyone can see this except those who are too busy taking koolaid shots.
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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:34 PM
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18. All inside the beltway fear a candidate who has a million donors.
That includes Clintons, Bushes, McCains, lobbyists, journalists ... nearly all of them. The whole system thrives on lobbyist money.

A candidate with a million donors doesn't need lobbyist money. He can not be bought. He is a dire threat to the entire system.

And that is why he must be brought down ... even if the whole Democratic party has to go down with him.

It is too sad for words. :(

-Laelth
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HooptieWagon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:56 PM
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20. So true
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-07-08 11:42 PM
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19. K&R
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