I love how some say Hillary "endorsed" John McCain

Since Hillary Clinton has made it quite clear she'll support the Democratic nominee.

Is John McCain the Democratic nominee?

God, I hope not. He's the Republican nominee!!

If Senator Obama wins the nomination, Hillary Clinton will endorse and back him. Not John McCain.

What some DUers are doing, which isn't new, is taking what Senator Clinton said and distorting it.

She said she has a lifetime of experience, and has the right experience to go up against John McCain. Since McCain is already stressing his experience. She merely made a point for the voters about her versus John McCain as opposed to Obama versus John McCain.

Why can Obama show differences between himself and Hillary on one-on-one match-up's with John McCain, but when Hillary does people claim she's endorsing him?

really want to know the values of verbs. Obviously Clinton was making the point that her experience was as valuable as McCains. Undeniably McCain has had a lot of political experience, right?

She exercised very poor judgment in the clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw

a run for his money in SC, a state loaded with vets.

There is also the pro-Bush problem for McCain. Mr. Bush, he dead.

I think John has an uphill climb for November, and the road isn't leveling out any time soon.

politics in NOT what Hillary did.

It is used in an inflammatory way here on DU and contributes to divisiveness.

The point of the OP is that use of the word "endorsement" or "endorse" to describe her remarks about McCain is deliberately disingenuous.

That might tell you something about how they went down.

How her words "went down" is just a reference to various people's interpretation or characterization or distortion of her words.

The distortion being called into question by the OP is the one used in DU by Obama supporters, calling her words an "endorsement" of McCain for president, which it clearly was not.

endorse

to write on the back of, esp. to sign one's name as payee on the back of (a check) in order to obtain the case or credit represetned on the face

to inscribe (one's signature) on a check, bill, or note

to inscribe (as an official document) with a title or memorandum

to make over to another (the value represented in a check, bill, or note) by inscribing one's name on the document

to acknolwdedge receipt of (sum specified) by one's name on the document

TO APPROVE OPENLY ( ~ an idea)

TO EXPRESS SUPPORT OR APPROVAL of publicly and definitely

SANCTION, APPROVAL


Senator Clinton's staff likely has a dictionary on hand.

The first 5 clearly don't apply.

w/r/t to the rest:

She didn't "approve openly" of McCain's candidacy.

She didn't "express support or approval" or "sanction" or "approve" his candidacy.

All she did was make a comparison to McCain regarding experience - saying they both had a lifetime of experience to bring to the White House, which is true, and by no way amounts to her endorsing McCain (she's running for president herself, you know). Then she delivered the zinger which got Obama's supporters' panties in a bunch - that all he had was a speech in 2002. That's just a clever way of minimizing the importance of that speech - which he cites whenever the subject of experience arises, saying it demonstrates good judgment, which he claims is more important than experience, because, as we all know, he really doesn't have any accomplishments in either the Illinois legislature or the U.S. Senate that he can refer to, unlike Hillary and McCain.

When DU'ers say she "endorsed" McCain, they are using it in the specific political sense - that she is officially backing his candidacy for president. Which is also clearly false.

Did Edwards officially "endorse" Obama when he paid respect to him in the debates? Did he also officially "endorse" Clinto when he paid respect to her in the debates? Of course not. To date, he hasn't "endorsed" anyone. Did Hillary "endorse" Obama when she told him at the end of a recent debate that she was "truly honored" to share the stage with him? Of course not. In her speech the DU'ers are whining about, she didn't even come close to saying she was "honored" that McCain was in the race for the White House.

The long and short of it is that anyone saying Hillary "endorsed" McCain in that speech is lying.

I think that it's really telling that Clinton supporters have to resort to willful ignorance and illiteracy in order to excuse the wretched behavior of their appalling candidate.

Ignorant troll.

Welcome to my "ignore" button, troll.

Then came the negative attacks on her Democratic opponent.

not argue with you anymore or anyone else on this thread. good day.

We see a lot of it...

No amount of lies and wishful thinking will change that. At least you gave us another thread to remind people of what she said. Thanks!

Lie all you want.

You will anyway.

of course you understand that.

Why do you not understand?

Hillary has said time and time again, she'll support the Democratic nominee!

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You really don't give a shit who or what group you insult to make your point... just like your Candidate.

Classy.

I think you should be really proud of yourself - especially since you talk trash about how bad Obama supporters are. Hypocrite.

EDIT TO ADD: I don't care if you insult my intelligence, but this sure says a lot about you and your insecurity. You like to think you're smart... but if you really were, would you have to tell people you are and insult other's intelligence here? Think not. Even a fucking 'tard like me can figure that one out. My self-image doesn't rely on your estimate of my intelligence.


GO AVERAGE PPL!!! NOT SURE FOR PREZIDENT!!!

And like your candidate, you resorted to name-calling like a petulant spoiled child when you didn't "win" the arguemtn.

And YOU called me a fucking 'tard (saying "mentally challenged" may sound good to your "politically correct" filters, but why not say what you REALLY mean? Don't have the balls?)

And just like Hillary you think you are entitled to name-call, and can't take it when people respond to that.

... and that smacks of narcissism.

And for someone who calls people 'tarded to say you can't make judgements about mental abilities or mental health/well-being in cyberspace is hilarious.

Not everyone is as stupid as you think they are. Just because you aren't qualified to figure out who is or isn't narcissistic doesn't mean others aren't.

I'd really recommend some therapy for your paranoia and narcisssim though, it might help you enjoy life more - but narcissists are known for refusing mental health treatment and therapy. Sad.

Text or video of old Hill stating explicitly that she will support and campaign for Obama if he wins the nomination.

Text or video of old Hill saying that Obama would make a better President than McCain?

Short of such statements, her 'endorsement' of McCain's "lifetime of experience" and her smarmy put down of Barack Obama should indeed stand as betrayals of her own party.

right next to Unicorns and Crumple-Horned Snorckacks.

(hope you get the HP reference)

way to "support" another Democrat. such a flip response..."and Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002" is that what his experience amounts to in her opinion? in your opinion? then Shame on you (and yes, I'm borrowing her words). That offends me AS a DEMOCRAT, no matter who I support. Actually if I was a McCain supporter, I'd find that odd. What if Dean in '04 would have said that he and Bush were more experienced/qualified than John Kerry? would you have batted an eye at that? Above all else...we DEMs need to remember we're on the same team....that's not the language you'd use to keep you team together. WHY would you align yourself with your enemy? That doesn't fly anywhere, say what you want you will NEVER convince me that that was an ok comment to make FOUR times!

Maybe in 10 years if you continue to educate yourself about politics you will understand more about it. A reading comprehension class also is in order.

then you are most certainly endorsing one candidate over the other. Its sad that you're ok with that.

It was not an official political endorsement in the sense of Kerry backing Obama.
But she did publicly declare her approval for McCains experience over Obama to be CiC.

Clinton did not give McCain her endorsement for President.
Of course not, that would be absurd as it would counter her own candidacy.
But she did endorse McCain's experience to be CiC over a fellow Democrat.

I can endorse McCain's stand on drilling in ANWR without endorsing his candidacy for President.

in support of their candidate.

If Clinton lied one one-thousandth as much as some people here do, they'd explode.

I would actually hold a Presidential candidate to a higher standard than a anonymous supporter on some blog.

nonetheless, the ease with which some people here just spout blatant lies is troublesome.

on DU doing it does not provide justification for hillary's attacks.

I would actually hold a Presidential candidate to a higher standard than a anonymous supporter on some blog.

do tell

Experience is an issue though.

And that was what Hillary was talking about.

thanks

"I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002,"

into an endorsement. Ughhhhhhh

crowd who will attempt to believe anything to discredit Clinton.

Don't Obamites think that will come back to bite Hillary Clinton if she gets the nomination? Oh, I forgot it's OK if it hurts Hillary. :eyes:

My God, we all know that men rule the world! Always have, always will.

What a blessing for Great Britain.

As I recall obama back a few weeks was saying reagan had the ideas but if I recall correctly he did not say that reagan had good ideas.....just like in this hrc said mccain has the experience. hell the man is 71 years old and of course he has experience, but hrc did not say the experience was always good...

Both our candidates need to be able to discuss the opposition and make contrasts without being attacked.

I'm going to go with the latter.

Hillary may very well have to endorse Obama IF she loses the nomination.

Of course she thinks Obama would be a better President.

Are you crazy?!?

ence?

BUT, if Obama is the nominee I'd suggest he put out how McCain's is the wrong experience.

Hillary should do the same.

You're missing the point however that I'm trying to make. And that Hillary tried to make. And twisting it to fit your own logic here. If we used your logic, Obama endorsed Reagan.

Experience is going to be a center focus of the debate in the GE. Hillary Clinton was suggesting she has the right experience to take on John McCain.

Got it? Or do you want to distort some more?

Obama has only a speech in 2002, compared to McCain's lifetime of experience. It is pretty straight forward, and again she said it NUMEROUS times, so it isn't a 'slip of the tongue'. She is actively trying to promote McCain OVER Obama, which is disgusting. Of course she is doing it to benefit herself, but when it SO obviously hurts the party as a whole I think it is a horrendous thing to do.

"all Obama has is a speech in 2002."

Had she never mentioned Obama at all, simply said, McCain has experience, so do I, then go on stating that experience. Nothing would have been said.

But she just had to add that "all Obama has is a speech" Just as she had to attach the "As far as I know" "I take him at his word"

It's so cute.

You can use whatever language you like, but she was validating, approving of and praising John McCain -- a
Republican -- in contrast to Barack Obama, a Democrat.

OK then!

Here's Hillary's clip on McCain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw

Old Crusoe you know she has said she'll endorse the Democratic nominee.

And you know the point she was trying to make.

I stand by my position.

Are you supporting the Democratic ticket in November?

And you stand by your position?

How? What facts do you have to back it up?

None.

You know what she said, and in what context she said it in.

Stop distorting. I expected better of you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw

And one reminds others that she had a chance to use any words she wished, and she chose those words.

Very bad moment for her, very bad moment for her campaign, and likely very unpopular among County chairpersons coast to coast who greatly influence their local grassroots organizations.

Honestly. People backed Edwards because he spoke about the economy and against the statue quo - two things your candidate has a VERY POOR record on.

And if she backed the Dem nominee even if it isn't herself, she'd have gracefully stepped down after losing eleven straight... but she didn't and she won't because she believes she is entitled to the nomination because her last name is Clinton and she is married to Bill... which isn't exactly the best "experience" if you think about it...

You don't have to be overt with your implications... you can also be covert - and you were.

De jure is just as important and effective as de facto.

We aren't as stupid as you think... and we aren't all sheeple looking to be led.

I always wanted my own stalker!!

Can I name you Albert?

And you are obviously paranoid. Get a grip. This is a PUBLIC message board.

And you call me the 'tard.

Project much?

to vote for Obama if they want, or Clinton if they want, or write in their favorite -- which is why I agree with your very good point about people who backed Edwards initially.

I agree with your expansion of the point because I think his emphasis on the economy and corporate status quo was right-on.

Which leads me to suspect that you are a very informed voter, and after two straight Bush administrations, I'd like to see a lot more of your kind of voter and a lot less of the ones who put that jabbering ape into the people's Oval Office.

:blush:

:hug:

Thanks for the kind words, and I'm trying to be as active as I can be... and I relly hope that the American people hang in there and make a difference in Novemeber. The grass-roots support I have seen for Obama has really raised my hopes (I've been really down since the last two Prez elections were stolen!) and makes me feel like we, the people, can make a difference again.

I hope that for the good of America people will become informed instead of relying on propaganda and talking points when voting.

Keep up the good fight Old Crusoe!
Fight the Powers of Stupid!

I thought Mo Udall would beat all comers in 76 and that Ted would upend Jimmy for the 80 nom.

Also, I don't even attempt to buy a lottery ticket!

Good to see ya.

I'm a pessimist myself, so I'd love to see the glass from your view!

Thanks, and I'm glad to be here at DU!

:thumbsup: :hi:

and John hasn't endorsed him either. Hillary at least has the same health care plan as John.

And said so over a year ago.

Point being, no meanginful health care reform will occur under a John McCain presidency.

It's up to Democratic voters to bring pressure to bear to make it happen.

I was all over Obama about it anyway.

My candidate was John Edwards. There's a slight preference for one over the other with the remaining
candidates, but there's no way to spin it -- Hillary praised the opposing party's candidate
in contrast to her own party's candidate. That's the only kind of "endorsement" you need.

Shame on you.

Welcome to my ignore list.

has military experience.They are afraid Hillary let the cat out of the bag by noticing McCain is older and has more "life" experience.Obama's folks were hoping the GOP didn't notice.

Interesting.

Democrat in November if I have to write one in! I do not support McCain.

...they're supporting the Democrats in the fall?

Seriously!

who slammed a Dem in favor of John McCain.

Do try to keep up with the news.

And saw you try and imply saracat is supporting McCain.

Guess if someone doesn't agree with you, you'll label them a Republican.

ANYWAY, back to the subject at hand...

She suggested she was better prepared to take on McCain.

Welcome to politics.

If that's the litmus test, my stick's all blue.

I oppose a McCain White House.

Hope you're on board with that.

Sheesh this place is nutty.

I think I've given more praise this past year since I first endorsed John Edwards to Barack Obama than I have to Hillary Clinton.

And I have you asking if I'll support the Democratic ticket.

Wow. Thanks!

Call it a forum.

Call it desperation!

Textbook case.

Textbook case.

I've got bigger fish to fry. I called you out on your distortion. So did saracat. You implied we were Republicans.

Moving on...

And vote Democratic!

If you can't figure that out, you really need help.

But then you'd probably rather have McCain than the Black Man who beat your Woman fair and square.

I would definitely say she's campaigning for him.

She could have just as easily said, "I'm much more qualified than Obama," or some such thing, instead of saying, "McCain is qualified and Obama is not."

record ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw ) for saying exactly those words, and she should be held accountable for them.

Obama insults every Democrat since Johnson yet it's Hillary who is a~courting repubs. The CULT of Obama has stepped through the looking glass.

:kick: and rec

Hillary on Reagan: He played the balance and the music beautifully.

McCain's “distinguished " service.

Ooopsie!

Something no other Democrat has ever done to one of their own in a Primary contest.

that McCain could have hoped for and labelled it as an endorsement.

When she praised herself (falsely) that she is ready to be commander in chief based on her experience and that McCain was too and all Obama had was "a speech", that is not only an endorsement, it is an endorsement for the opposition over a fellow Democrat. She gave McCain the best political ad he could have ever hoped for.

You can't say it isn't unless you have a problem with the truth.

It is glaringly obvious that Hillary Clinton is santimonious in her own mind and is out only for herself...it's her blind ambition over the Democratic Party.

If we want to play the so-called "experience game", then either Rumsfeld or Cheney should just be appointed the next co-presidents right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ou4JnWQsxKw

Word for word straight from the candidate's mouth.

I find the lies and hate for both candidates in the party to be completely putrid.

Look in this thread. There's name-calling and nastiness among us that's counter-productive and vile.

It's a shame that this hasn't been nippped - but here it is.

"I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience that he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

let us judge for ourselves please what she meant, and not soften or distort her words. Thanks.

What do you think the Super Delegates think?

She'll star in those commercials even if she is the nominee.

Because she has no experience. She's putting herself even with John McCain on "commander in chief" experience, and he will blow her away on that issue.

what to think and it is sad to see you spin that this way. I have seen nobody who is not a Clinton supporter say what she said is GOOD for Democrats. May be she is not endorsing McCain, but what she said can be construed as saying that McCain is more qualified than Obama, and, if she did not intend like that, she definitively needs to take some speaking classes (:sarcasm:). But, of course, I understand some Clinton supporters have trouble spinning this one without attacking Obama supporters.

BTW, are you going to ask for Wofson's resignation. Calling Obama Ken Starr's like should be unacceptable for you, if you are honest.

that McCain won't use these sound bites from her in the GE.

that's what you don't understand about this.

she said this at a time when McCain WILL BE the Republican Candidate for President and has a chance at actually winning the Presidency against either her or Obama.

it's very likely that Obama could be the one he runs against and what she said was not a good thing to say during this election in 2008.

that's an endorsement of McCain OVER Obama. She is a fucking monster and should quit.

You're just pissed that she didn't say that she was "honored" that Obama has a few more delegates.

Now stop your whining:

is a de-facto endorsement. Spin it all you like.