Why does Clinton want to win this way?

As a Michigan resident, I really wish Michigan and Florida would offer up a real plan that would allow for the voice of the people in these states to be heard, but right now that just isn't the case. Let's look at the facts for each state.

In Michigan, the only candidate still running who was on the ballot is Hillary Clinton. When she states that she wants those votes counted she is saying that she wants to disenfranchise the will of every single person who did not come out and vote for her. There was no chance to cast a single ballot for Obama or Edwards in Michigan so many Democratic voters stayed home, voted "uncommitted" or voted in the republican primary as a way to sway their votes. So by demanding that the vote be counted in Michigan Clinton is demanding that the will of thousands be silenced.

In Florida, all the candidates were on the ballot, but no one had the chance to hear from them what they believe in or what they would do as president. Because of this, the person with the largest name recognition won. Does Clinton in this case want to rest her future on the backs of the least informed?

Once again, I'm all for a re-vote in both states that allows the remaining candidates to start off from scratch to give the voters a chance to hear what each of them stands for and make an informed decision. I would love the chance to make my voice heard. Why does Clinton object so strongly to this?

lose votes and delegates in a revote.

on the "See, we told you only Clinton Democrats can win" platform.

They will TRY to keep Obama undermined and sabotaged the same way they did in 2000 and 2004 to protect Bushboy.

The problem for Clinton camp is that MANY OF US have seen through their tactics and are aware of them more than ever before.

And they're even helping McCain along. By insisting she and McCain have the experience necessary to lead the nation, while Obama does not, what she's advocating is that, if she's not the nominee, you're better off to vote for John McCain.

These last seven years have helped us hone our "cutting through the bullshit" skills, and as you wrote, blm, that's the real problem for the Clinton camp.

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She doesn't care, that's obvious and not the question. The question is what the hell is wrong with the people of this country that we would accept this. This is as bad as Bush, no two ways about it. I won't vote for her if she 'wins' this way.

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I know we're vastly outgunned but I think we at least have to try in out own little way.

I'm convinced of this now.

She simply wants to make sure McCain can beat Obama so that she can run again in 2012.

She knows she can't win. The super delegates would never overturn the pledged delegates, and she can't catch up.

some don't. I just want fairness. If THAT is even possible.

he did a nationwide cable buy that his buddy Mrs. Fowler "told" him was ok to run in FL, because there was no way of excluding it from that market.

Mrs. Fowler has since endorsed him.

but all other options seem either closed or closing fast.

And not winning doesn't seem to be an option for her, no matter what.

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attention. hilary has done but cheat and lie since she came in third in Iowa.

Floridians didn't watch TV or go on the internet and watch the campaigns in dozens of other states? So they went to the polls and voted for "name recognition?

What a bunch of crap!

Obama took his name off the ballot in Michigan but John Conyers told Michigan Democrats for Obama to vote "uncommitted" and they did. Obama can split the uncommitted with Edwards but Clinton keeps hers.

THAT's the fair way to do it.

Most people in FL and MI didn't focus on the primaries because we knew our votes wouldn't count. To say anything else is a complete lie. As for splitting the MI "uncommitted" vote between Obama and Edwards, that's a joke. There's no way of knowing who would have received what votes in that total.

Just come out and admit that you want Clinton to win - no matter how underhanded and despicably she has to do it. Its disgusting but at least admitting it will make you honest.

1.2 million in Michigan and 1.4 million Democrats and 1.6 million Repubs in Florida. Over 4 million in both states.

"Most people didn't focus...." And I am spinning? Way too funny.

I don't care who wins as long as all the elections and votes are counted. Sure, I prefer Clinton, but I will also be proud to support an African-American over anything the Republicans have to offer.

Here is something I posted on another forum board. Note the date.




Quit putting all Hillary supporters in the same basket. You are doing serious damage in alienating many of us who would support YOUR candidate if he is the nominee in the general election.

It doesn't matter how many people voted in either primary if there are still countless others who didn't because they were disenfranchised by the state parties. To claim it's valid because of raw numbers is like suggesting that a slice of cake is healthier for you than a ton of carrots because the cake has fewer calories - it doesn't take into account the context. But then you knew that, didn't you?

As for some post you made in 2006, I really don't care right now. This thread is about the Clinton camp's attempt to disenfranchise me and my voice along with countless others. I'm glad you'd "be proud to support an African-American" but not by silencing a million or so African-Americans (and Caucasians, Asian-Americans, Native-Americans, etc...).

That is insane and delusional.

There is NOTHING FAIR about changing rules AFTER the election. Hillary agreed to those rules and her desperation to change them is OBVIOUS!

Scenario 1 – Status Quo (without Florida and Michigan)
CLINTON NEEDS 63.0%, OBAMA NEEDS 37.0%

Scenario 2 – New elections in Florida and Michigan
CLINTON NEEDS 58.6%, OBAMA NEEDS 41.4%

Scenario 3 – Michigan seated as is, Florida seated as is
CLINTON NEEDS 53.8%, OBAMA NEEDS 46.2%

There's a five percentage-point difference against Hillary Clinton if she supports new elections in Florida and Michigan, or a big ten percentage-point span difference. That's why she is fighting to seat them and count them as is, from the January results. It's her only "real" chance, and even then it's an uphill battle.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4984865

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the nomination this year, she's going to try and cripple Senator Obama as much as possible to the benefit of McCain. She's endorsed McCain, remember (if she can't be the nominee).

It really is quite disgusting behavior.

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