Honestly, I was still mostly undecided....

But Hillary's taken it too far. The McCain statements seal it for me...

Does not Obama support unity between the parties?

She's trashing Obama, so that she can run in 2012.

But that is not what is going on in the above picture. The OP said that it was that picture that made them not like HRC.

it was "the McCain statements". We all know what the OP means.

What are these "the McCain statements"? Was it the ones where she suggested that McCain has more experience than Obama, and therefor by default may make a better president?

But I will still vote for her if she is the Democratic candidate.

is not qualified to run for president, but McCain is.

--IMM

where Hillary says that Senator McCain has more experience and she has more experience. She frames the debate between Republicans and Democrats on experience when she knows that if that is the issue, McCain can put forth more experience than either her or Obama. She doesn't care that the debate is framed in a way that favors the Republican nominee, she is only focused on beating Obama. It is just another example of how her campaign doesn't plan well and she is only looking out for herself.

Seems like throwing candidates under the bus is pretty much all we do on GDP these days.

Regardless of whether the consequences are the same or not, things are said over and over again on this board by supporters of both candidates that would make either candidate blush.

Are we holding them to a higher standard than we hold ourselves? I've always been of the opinion that the highest standards are reserved for our own person.

Before we point our fingers at the particular candidates for not engaging in genteel civility, I imagine we should examine our own consciouses first...


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and every single time they bite the democrats in the ass once they get back on top again.

Every. Single. Time.

Unity is the last thing any of our democrats need to be promoting right now.

When the republicans are on top, are they concerned about unity? Hell no.

The democrats need to reach across the aisle and slap the shit out of the republicans for all the damage they have done. That's all the 'unity' they need to be concerned about.

He's sensing what I sense when I go to church here in Lubbock, Texas, the reddest beating heart of the reddest state in the Union; when my pastor, who voted twice for Bush, and is STILL my good good friend, tells me he's voting for Obama.

The people of America don't hate each other, and they cannot be made to hate each other for very long. Oh, they temporarily can be divided into "liberals" and "conservatives" or "hippies" and "statists" or whatever, but in the end we are one family, and despite our squabbles, eventually we remember it.

Obama thinks it's time to remember it, and I agree with him. We can be one America again. I think with the crushing economic times about to descend on us, we HAVE to become one America for a while.

The idea that the people of the GOP are somehow less than human or less intelligent or humane or decent or moral or whatever... That idea is getting old. Even among Republicans there is a warming up to Democrats. I think Obama senses that thawing, and he's ready to lead us in a new direction.

If he's wrong, well, he's wrong. But I'd much rather he be right, and I'm going to vote like maybe he is.

Every single time.

I believe that he has made negative comments about HRC and I have never been very concerned about it.

I kid. If anything, he's going too easy on Clinton. I think he needs to defend himself more without getting down in the mud a la' Clinton.
If he's trashed her, it's only in the context of the campaign. He hasn't tried to villify her or gone after her character, which Clinton did by allying herself w/McCain and experience. That was a boneheaded move that really ticked off a lot of people. As Meatloaf would say, "You can do anything but you can't do that." That was Meatloaf, no?

of some fucked-up, behind the scenes collaboration of backscratching with no regard for the people. While I was researching the statements this picture got dug up, and seemed to fit.

This is how I now feel about Hillary: she is trying to win at all costs, without regard for "her people" - the Democratic Party.

She has given ammunition (whether it is or is not without merit) to the Repigs. How can such a "smart" candidate be so stupid?

I've concluded it's not exactly 'stupid'...

It's blind power-hunger.

Without regard to consequences.

I know longer think she's in it "to serve" the people.

I know longer think she's in it "to serve" the people.

It's a cookbook!!!!

But really, Kucinich seemed like the most real candidate to me.

It's evil for anyone else to do it.

I don't have a time machine to go back and beat Reagan (would that I did).

... over Hillary. I would be *most* interested to learn of any such comment.


p.s. I won't even bother refuting your ridiculous reference to Obama's earlier criticism of Bill Clinton, that many took as praise of Raygun.

would kiss up to ANYBODY - for the right price.

to a piece of shit that said those awful things about her daughter.

If she can't be loyal to her own flesh and blood, how can it be expected she would be toward the great unwashed voters?

feh.

What a bunch of double standard bull.

Obama has been sucking up to republicans his whole campaign.

and...

What a bunch of double standard bull.

Both of these statements seem to be true.

Obama recognizes that all Americans, regardless of party, deserve to be heard. It is not the Republican constituents fault that they have had a louzy president for 7 years.

That's the only way things get done in a Democracy, is to listen to all ideas, regardless of party. Otherwise you get filibuster everytime. This is why he has appeal. He includes everyone, and doesn't just try to speak to the Democratic base. That's what it will take to win. If we think we are going to win an election off of the Democratic electorate alone, we are sadly mistaken. We need Ind, and Reps. We are a democracy, of the people, by the people and for the people. It doesn't specify a party.

"He had a speech in 2002" her words twirled around the world.

Help me understand, why possible reason would she cozy up to MCPain at the expense of her own party.

back, dude".."just watch me screw over Obama".

so welcome to the club.

:kick:

It sure the hell an't going the other way. Not one post goes the other way.

Welcome on board speaking as a Dennis, Edwards and now Obama supporter.

n/t

even if there are some, they are few, far and between the frequency of the what the OP stated.

Good point:beer:

Superdelegates count, according to the Clinton camp.

traitorous pro repuglican butt.


SNL is not the medium of the message anymore.


THIS IS..........more people have seen this than SNL.....and there is more coming.

kidding

:thumbsup: congrats on your choice

my primary vote for Obama and my caucus vote for Hillary. She made her statement the day before the caucuses, so I caucused for Obama.

After all, 8 years of Republican rule is enough.