National Review/Chuck Todd Rumor - Hillary as VP?

"Hillary as Veep?

I was just on the John Batchelor radio program. He says that Chuck Todd, NBC News political director, has heard from Hillary's people that she would accept the number two spot on the ticket.

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MjgzN2VjNjU0MDhiMTFlOThlYjhlZDUxMWI4OTE0YmQ=

What does everyone think?

Well, you can't blame her for trying.

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rocknation

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(at least within the context of a joint thread; they're fair game when they jump into an Obama thread; or whenever; who am I to police anything)

put the Clinton's and Bush's to rest...

... and keep a substantial number of Clinton supporters from sitting the election pout.

I would worry that she would spend the next four years trying to sabatoge him before the next election.

Hell, Bill was a loose cannon directly working for Hillary. I can't imagine how he'd be as the Second Spouse.

...

I toss it out that I'm "strongly considering her".... and then after he has the nomination.... says, "sorry... Bill Richardson has the experience I need for answering that 3am call, Hillary.... You don't."

psych ops.

Politically, if it makes sense for him to accept her as VP, then I think he will probably do it. She should be able to deliver some votes, although there will probably be even more Repub resistance at the polls with her on the ticket. I still don't like the idea, because of the conflict of her message with the message Obama is trying to convey. But, in any event, he should keep the options open as long as he can concerning the VP position.

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It would be tantamount to a concession.

:)

I have 4 major concerns.

1) Her history of politicking undermines Obama's platform/message.

2) Her history of transparency (lacking) is a concern about what we might expect in the GE as far as scandals are concerned.

3) Mobilizing the republican base in red/purple areas that could impact downticket candidates.

4) I'd be afraid of her undermining him at every turn.

Back-Stabbers!

He needs someone higher profile, who's been on the national stage for a while and will have the kind of credibility that generates. I love Susan Rice though and I think she'll make an excellent member of an Obama administration.

???
Biden
Richardson
Feingold
Clark

wtf knows...

5) History of people who are politically inexpedient to the Clinton's winding up dead.

Only countered by the concern of how large a block of Clinton supporters will either sit the election pout or even cast a vote for McCain, if she's not on the ticket. Or is there another choice that would placate a large percentage of Clinton supporters?

Being OFFERED the slot is quite another.

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rocknation

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I can't see her giving up on the top spot before PA.

singing with Sinbad and Sheryl Crow doesn't cut it

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They just do not deal well with loss.

Hillary, you are not in a position to make any decisions. Your time has passed.
Kindly step aside.

That means we still have to look forward to depression and acceptance.

But dying (in this case , a campaign) always creates this condition

Chuck Todd to a total Obama tool. He's so bias you could use him for cording.

then yes, he lives in reality.

your Lady ain't gonna be the big cheese.
don't worry, she won't be the VP either.

I hadn't heard that one before. :)

It makes for conversation, just like Obama as Hil's VP has created conversation. I personally doubt that anything to that extent was said.

*yawn*

NT!

Barack --- Just.Say.No.

for her a VP slot would be a way for the moderates to keep their tentacles in the pie.

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rocknation

NT!

be sure to outline your work experience that qualifies you for the job of Vice President.

Please place your resume on the bottom of the third pile of resumes at Campaign Headquarters... we will be sure to look at your resume and, should you not be selected, keep your resume on file for future consideration. Rest assured that WE will contact YOU if clarification or other inquiry is required.

Thanks,


Obama for President, Campaign HQ

You must have received a lot of rejections! Stop giving away your personal secrets.

and I was never that mean about it. I have included that thing about "keeping your resume on file should something else come up" (it's lets them down a little easier than "thanks for applying, but you don't match what we are looking for")

Me, personally... I don't mean to gloat, but I have never, not once, interviewed for a job where I didn't receive an offer. Haven't interviewed that many times... just lucky, for the most part.

I'm sure we are all impressed with your success. You must be one of those rich successful Yuppies that follow Obama.

I don't think of myself as a yuppie. I don't wear dockers or whatever. I did found my own startup and sold it for some bucks to a large IT company. I don't think of myself as rich, but others might.

But what I was writing about was my time as a mid-level manager at a number of well known organizations... and having to hire dozens of staff members.

You were the one that started this little pissing contest by stating that I must have received a lot of rejections...

But whatever... have a nice life.

and choose his OWN vice president..

regardless of order

I haven't heard that yet. I have only heard her and Bill talking about Obama being the VP(which is crazy for a 2nd place to ask a 1st place) but anyway, whatever is best for the country I will respect Barack and his advisors judgement.

In all honesty I think he needs to pick someone like Wesley Clark. It needs to be someone who compliments your ticket.

Obama's message is change - a new brand of politics unfettered from the lobbyists, etc. and free from partisanship. How can he possibly push that message with a Clinton on the ticket?

Even if it were reversed, a Clinton/Obama run, it doesn't really work. Again, Obama's message of business no longer as usual is utterly worthless from a VP spot, where he has the power to do, well, nothing. Especially in a Clinton administration where he would actually be the #3 behind Bill.

And for all of McCain's faults neither of them have anything close to his 'experience', which Hillary has oh so conveniently made a huge talking point for the GE.

I don't think the Dream Ticket people are talking about is a particularly good idea.

Intriguing.

Tonight's John Batchelor Show ( on a radio stream on available online on KFI Los Angeles Sunday 10pm-Monday 1am East Coast Time, has reported a rumor that a) Hillary's people have hinted to the Obama camp that she would take the number two spot and b) that Obama's not too interested.

Batchelor's source is Chuck Todd, NBC News' political director.

That ticket would be really hard to beat. Every Democrat in the country would be fired up--I think.

But does Obama want that baggage?


http://bayridgebrooklyn.blogspot.com/2008/03/hillary-clinton-would-accept-vp-spot.html

Chuck Todd has credibility. I think this will make HRC look bad (weak) for offering and if they deny it, it'll become an even bigger story.

She thinks she can bully her way onto Obama's ticket using her supporters as a wedge.
But to the MSM this will be her admitting she has lost and her only hope is a VP spot.

This will wind to a close long before PA, I do believe.
I didn't expect her to reach this advanced Negotiating stage of Loss for another week.

Things are looking up.

Just sayin'.

Of course she won't get it, thankfully.

He is going to be the nominee one way or another. Maybe offering her the VP spot will get her off his fucking back?

She will be a lead weight in the General Election.

Don't fall for this mirage.

Oh great, so Hillary is now holding the VP slot hostage. What a great way to begin her new role as supporting Barack Obama's presidency.

I want her and her gutter politcs OUT.

and I want to WIN this fucking election. If it means carrying a Clinton along, so be it. You have to admit, she'd fulfill the ostensible role of the VP candidate--attack dog--really well.

It may be a risk one has to take. We sometimes have to lay aside idealism and go with pragmatism.

to see how Obama handles this. He shouldn't and won't act rashly.

That ticket would be really hard to beat. Every Democrat in the country would be fired u

The problem is that a good portion of the GOP does not like McCain and he is facing the same scenario as Bush's re-election and Dole's nomination. Add to that the close association with Bush who paleo-conservatives dislike and you find really poor prospects for the Republican ticket.

"DO THE SAME THING!!!" Yes, I can hear this trumpeting out from McCain.

So the only option for the Republicans is to run AGAINST the Democratic candidate. With Hillary on the ticket, they can just pull out some of the reruns and get people fired up to vote against Hillary.

No thank you. I think that Obama can find some red state Democratic governor to round things out and cleanup against the boring (and occasionally terrifying) geriatric John McCain. Hillary Clinton is NOT the only female politician in this country!!!!

she'd probably use that job to undermine President Obama.

but, as I posted above, if you can keep her reined in, she'd be a great, aggressive attack dog for the campaign/administration.

Hillary will bring the Clinton haters out to vote against her. Besides, John McCain would just show commercials of Obama's running mate saying he isn't qualified.

The Hillary camp knows they cannot win. The used a scorched earth tactic for Texas/Ohio and it gained them virtually nothing. Obama just made up the difference in Wyoming.

She knows the superdelegates are about to break for Obama and end things. She knows Florida/Michigan will not be counted without a revote and in that case Obama would get the delegates he needs for a majority.

So now she is groveling.

Fuck her!!!! And, she can probably cross Senate Majority Leader off her list as well.

If it's legit it will certainly be the big story.

which is what they have been pushing all day. It makes me want to pull my hair out when they talk about it as Clinton/Obama - in what universe is that logical based on the existing facts?

...not to mention her endorsement of McLame over Obama means she didn't just burn bridges, she jumped up and down, red-faced with a petulant erroneous sense of entitlement, on the ashes.

FUCK her and her hunger for power. NO MORE CLINTONS, NO MORE BUSHES.

Maybe Obama can take her as VP just to win the general and then on January 21, have a meeting with her and tell her "things aren't working out" "I have to let you go" and then take on Al Gore or John Kerry as VP. :evilgrin:

Having Clinton anywhere on the ticket will bring out the GOP base en masse.

or that it is sincere

The reason - she would have to use the money she has collected for GE campaign - some $ 29 million.

Also she is putting away even more.

This is a diversion. When she suspends her campaign she will be able to say that she tried to mend things but Obama was selfish.

Create another problem for Obama and the GE.

The biggest, and possibly only reason that I would want her on the ticket, is that she would be less likely to sabotage Obama's campaign if she stood to gain something from a victory. I suppose it could help vote totals a little as well, although it would probably mobilize the Repubs to see her on the ticket. She needs to leave this campaign as a Dem in good standing, willing to help Obama in the GE (outwardly). I believe there would be an undercurrent of sabotage, though, as she readies for a 2012 run with the left over money from this attempt.

Hey wait! So would I!

and Hillary could run after Obama has had 8 years. :) She'll be 68 but McCain is 71 and will be 72 if he takes the office in Nov.

Hillary cannot be a part of Obama's administration at all. NOTHING. She can stay in the Senate and do her work there.

Obama's VP should be (my preference in this order) (1) Webb (2) Sebelius (3) Edwards (4) Richardson

There are some others, but I'm sure the above mentioned would jump at the chance.

Yeah, that would b a great choice for Obama.

That didn't work out too well.

I'd rather have Hillary in the Senate.

talk is not just the clinton's saying "pick me and you also get him" but (maybe moreso) trying to make sure if he gets the nominee that there will be an outcry for him to pick her.

... but are going to continue trying to smear him into a VP slot under Hillary, if not lower. The tactics and McCain praise can't really be explained any other way.

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in the unlikely event of HRC as VP. That's my honest interpretation. I don't trust her anymore. She wants the number one spot too badly.

(speculating...)

... with this being floated as a possibility;

... followed by whispers of private meetings between the two;

... and then, finally, an announcement that Hillary was offered the VP spot, but she declined; but has consulted with Obama on a mutually-agreeable VP

And the sun will rise in the West this morning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZsYWiywdCA&feature=related

I'm sure Hillary would love that!

considering how he's cutting her ass in the race. :rofl:

So after she's spent so much time telling the American public how he isn't fit to be president, all that time telling America how great John McCain is, NOW she wants to be Obama's VP? Desperate much Hill? :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hmmmmmm...

it's been discussed ad nauseum... in every Dem circle I am part of.

Yes, she would do it. I am certain. And there would be some real advantages for both candidates.

If Obama gets the nomination... he'll need a couple of pitbulls like the Clintons in his corner.... to fend off the RW attacks. No two people in the party are better at dishing it back than they are.

OTOH... Hillary flies under the wire to enact some real legislative changes in Healthcare and NAFTA.... while Barack steals the limelight.

Damn near genius, if you ask me.