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ButterflyBlood

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:35 PM
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OK, I'm a hardcore Obama supporter but attacks on Hillary via Spitzer are ridiculous

Of course Spitzer endorsed her. He's from New York. It's home state courtesy, everyone from Illinois has endorsed Obama too. But aside from all that: Who cares? Spitzer's crime is as big as someone one of my buddies once did at a drunken keg party in college (not for anywhere near the price mind you, but that's not the point.) Spitzer isn't involved in any sort of high level corruption like Jack Abramoff. It reminds me of an election where the incumbent mayor attacked his opponent because one of his opponent's field directors was caught at a strip club and his opponent refused to fire him. What's next, is it going to be a major scandal if one of the candidates' superdelegates is arrested for public disturbance after having a few too many drinks at a bar? If you're going to attack guilt by association, at least do so for actual corruption, rather than simple arguable poor judgment.

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anonymous171

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:35 PM
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1. OK-I'll admit I do it just because I'm aiming for a little payback.

Is that so wrong?

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femmedem

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:38 PM
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7. Your payback is going to be losing votes in the GE,

Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 04:41 PM by femmedem

and misrepresenting your candidate's message. If I were a campaign manager and I had volunteers bad-mouthing the opposition in the way too many Obama supporters are badmouthing Clinton over petty crap instead of the issues, I wouldn't let them anywhere near the public.

And I say that as a former campaign manager, albeit only at the municipal level.

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anonymous171

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:39 PM
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9. I don't talk like this outside of DU.

Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 04:40 PM by anonymous171

Mostly I just wanted to let the HRC supporters know how annoying faux outrage is when it's directed at their candidate.

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femmedem

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:42 PM
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14. understood.

But DU'ers vote.

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xultar

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:45 PM
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18. ROTFFPNMFPLMGDAO - saving your most destructive talk for fellow DUers.

mmmm k.

DAYUM. That's nice. Shittin on your fellow DUers. NICE.

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cbayer

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:53 PM
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26. Why would you talk differently here than you do outside of here?

Somewhat rhetorical, and I give you credit for acknowledging this.

I think many of the people here would never behave this way in their real lives.

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donheld

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Mon Mar-10-08 09:52 PM
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50. From one Obama person to another: That is just not cool

We need to make this place better not worse.

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xultar

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:43 PM
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16. Payback for what? Spitzer fucked some ho. What are you paying back for

McClurkin? Farrakhan? That shit is so different from this it ain't even funny.

Who has Spitzer used hate speech towards?

Don't get me wrong I don't give a shit about Farrakhan's endorsement, I know Obama was not happy it was published. McClurkin is what pisses me off the most. None of that shit compares even remotely to one of her endorsers fuckin a ho.

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McCamy Taylor

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Mon Mar-10-08 09:38 PM
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49. Is that Obama endorsed terminology for women?

Can I accuse all men of thinking with their dicks and suggest that a woman would be better in the White house because up until now all the men have let their testosterone get the better of them and we don't want anymore dicks like W. or John and Barack starting anymore wars?

Tit for tat is the Obama way. Do you really want it to be the only way?

Solidarity everybody or there will be no way in hell we survive this century.

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xultar

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Tue Mar-11-08 11:45 AM
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65. I think you responded to the wrong person. I was questioning the person who wanted payback.

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cbayer

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:50 PM
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23. When you seek revenge, dig two graves. nt.

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Drachasor

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Mon Mar-10-08 09:57 PM
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56. Take the High Road

No need to dirty yourself with filthy tactics. Obama can win this easily without getting dirty, and he rightfully hates such dirty politics (and many, many voters do as well).

It is seldom that the right thing is also politically expedient, so let's not muck this up for petty reasons of revenge.

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easy_b94

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:36 PM
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2. I agree but if the shoe was on the other foot............

Well you know

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Cha

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:14 PM
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40. Yeah, it would be

Hilary Hypocricy time and the jackals would be ridin' fast and put away wet.

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ellacott

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:36 PM
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3. It'll pass

Just like all that histrionics and attacks that have been leveled against Obama.

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Cha

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:36 PM
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4. I agree.. I always liked Spitzer and

was bummed that he endorsed hilary but you know..whatever.

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Levgreee

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:37 PM
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5. I believe it was corruption, not just poor judgment, although I don't blame Hillary at all for it

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damonm

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:37 PM
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6. First K&R - this needs to be heard LOUDLY!!!!

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sandnsea

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:39 PM
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8. I agree, but what goes around comes around

and we don't know what Spitzer has done yet. As long as they want to scream Rezko, they need to be prepared to take what they dish out.

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Barack_America

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:45 PM
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19. I do agree with that. But, really, I find sex scandals to be so disinteresting.

Rezko would be much more interesting, if there were anything to it.

Personally, I'm most curious about Burkle and Dubai.

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sandnsea

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:00 PM
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He found prostitution interesting enough to prosecute

He set the standard. As I've said elsewhere, I think there's something lacking in someone's character if they can't maintain a committed relationship. Not enough to shift my vote, necessarily, but something to consider all the same. I am very very disappointed in him.

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Drachasor

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Mon Mar-10-08 09:55 PM
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55. We can do better than that

There's no reason to go fight in the gutter. Obama wins easily without it, and hurts his image by such petty attacks. There are plenty of substantial areas to attack Hillary and her campaign on.

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Swamp Rat

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:40 PM
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10. This will hurt Hillary Clinton's Campaign nonetheless.

Her campaign has just taken a mortal broadside, an accidental volley from an ally.

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corkhead

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:44 PM
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17. we can only hope

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xultar

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:57 PM
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29. Wow. what a fucking loser ass fucked up ignorant assed post.

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corkhead

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:00 PM
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32. a last "back at ya" before you join your friends in "IGNORE"

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xultar

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:06 PM
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35. I'm on ignore. Some one get me a drink to celebrate.

Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 05:10 PM by xultar

It was an honor to be put on ignore by this poster.

If you're sending gifts, this one will be perfect.

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femmedem

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:49 PM
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22. You really think so?

I don't think too many people will think it has anything to do with her. If anything, it might take the focus off Obama's upcoming Mississippi victory.

On the other hand, it also takes the focus off the economic melt-down for a few days at least. And I think that's an area where most people perceive Clinton to be stronger, despite how well Obama's run his campaign.

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Swamp Rat

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:59 PM
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30. The GOP is very good at exploiting sex scandals.

I'm thinking about the GE, if Hillary is nominated.

Though she will not deserve it, the GOP/Rove&Co. will hit her over the head with this over and over. 'Monica Lewinski' will be brought back from the dead to be used as the club.

I can already hear the Sunday sermon chatter: "Shee shoulda beunn uh bettr cristyun weiife inna fuhst place..." blah blah blah.

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Happyhippychick

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:40 PM
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11. I agree. I wish people would place the blame exactly where it rests - in Spitzer's crotch.

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xultar

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:48 PM
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21. no shit. He fucks around and people here want to blame Hillary and wish Bill was

in on it also...to take them both out.

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movonne

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:41 PM
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12. I agree...I also am a Obama supporter and this is not right...I don't

think just because he endorsed someone it should be used against the candidate...saying that go Obama....

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JVS

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:41 PM
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13. Unless, of course, this ends up connecting to the Clintons.

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xultar

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:47 PM
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20. Say, Elliot called Chelsea? OR Elliot fucked Bill?...WAIT. Elliot fucked Hillary and Bill watched.

That type of connection?

Or Bill fucked a prostitute. You hopin for that.

Wishing shit on a Democratic Presidential candidate...you gotta love it. Only on DU and Freeperville and DRUDGE.

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JVS

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:51 PM
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24. We'll just have to wait and see what the truth is.

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democrattotheend

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:43 PM
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15. Agreed 100%

Thanks for posting.

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Capn Sunshine

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:51 PM
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25. Goes to judgement and morality, your honor

I'm really disappointed; Spitzer was a rising star in the party. This will always be an issue in every election he's involved in.

Hillary can't be responsible for her supporters, I agree. Much like Obama can't be responsible for his. They are what they are. Some end up indicted, some get busted in prostitution stings, some are just accidents waiting to happen.

Puts the Rezco thing in a new light doesn't it?

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xultar

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:55 PM
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28. Nope, Rezko and Spitzer are totally different. Rezco is political and has

Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 05:39 PM by xultar

a political machine. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the Rezko thing either. Obama didn't do anything wrong that we know of....but there were political strings involved with the deals...I mean the guy is on Trial in Chicago for dealings with the state of IL govenor and money and deals and shit. This shit impacts a whole state.

Spitzer, has a penis and he stuck it into a woman's v-jj. I don't think that rises to the level of an impact to an entire state where state funds may have played a role.

do you?

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sandnsea

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:03 PM
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33. We have no idea

We don't know what his role was in the prostitution ring, how he paid for it, how he hid it, nothing. If he did as Giuliani did, and used government funds to pay for it or hide it, then that's something people deserve to know. And if he was part of the actual prostitution ring, and prosecuted other rings to keep them out of competition, then that's something else to know. Or did he let this particular ring operate because he used their services. There are questions here, absolutely.

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Mike03

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:53 PM
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27. Excellent; I couldn't have said it better

This is exactly where I stand on it.

Thanks for articulating the point very well.

Rec.

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MadBadger

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Mon Mar-10-08 04:59 PM
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31. I agree and I would call out these idiotic fuckers If i had a thread.

I dont even give a damn that he had sex with a prostitute. Its just his hypocrisy that pisses me off.

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xultar

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:07 PM
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36. a-fucking-greed. That'st the shit. I hope that was a good fuck. It cost way more than the 5,500

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MadBadger

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:08 PM
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37. Nah I hope she scraped his dick and was 340 lbs.

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ButterflyBlood

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:12 PM
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38. She wouldn't cost $5500/hour if that was the case

nt

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xultar

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:19 PM
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42. His wife is so hot too. What would posess his ugly ass to stray. He was lucky as fuck to get her.

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xultar

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:12 PM
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39. Some guys like them some big women. So that's not a bad thing.

Big women are some beautiful gals.

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OzarkDem

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:04 PM
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34. "Iron My Shirt" Obama supporters

Sitting in there mother's basement in their boxer shorts eating Cheetoh's - they're very threatened by strong women.

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Kahuna

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Mon Mar-10-08 06:28 PM
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47. That "iron my shirt" guy was no doubt a billary plant to get women

riled up.

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LostinVA

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Tue Mar-11-08 07:54 AM
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64. Ummm... no.... it was proven they were from a RW group

Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 07:54 AM by LostinVA

LOVE the RW "billary."

:eyes:

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Political Heretic

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Mon Mar-10-08 09:54 PM
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52. mmm hmm... just like all Clinton supporters hate men. Black men especially.

:eyes:

Yep, it sounds just as stupid when I do it.

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JoFerret

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Tue Mar-11-08 06:16 AM
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62. Probably a GOP heckler but imagine if he had shouted to Obama:

"shine my shoes".

I don't think most Obama supporters would yell the iron shirt stuff.

However - a minority have lost their minds. Witness these threads on DU and ones connecting Spitzer to Hillary and gloating over the crashing and burning of a strong dem governor.

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ProSense

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:16 PM
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41. Clinton spoke to the press about reports linking New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer

OLD FORGE, Pa. -- Clinton spoke to the press about reports linking New York Gov. Eliot Spitzer to a prostitution ring after she was mobbed by fans here at Revello's Pizzeria in northeast Pennsylvania, where she has deep roots.

After greeting supporters outside the pizza parlor and spending several minutes talking and posing for pictures with people inside, Clinton responded to questions about Spitzer.

"I don't have any comment on that," she said, "but I obviously am sending, you know, my best wishes and thoughts to the governor and to his family."

When asked whether she thought the beleaguered governor could survive this latest scandal, the senator said, "Let's wait and see what comes out over the next days, but right now I don't have any comment, and I think it's appropriate just to wish his family well, and we'll wait and see how things develop."

The issue of a "Dream Ticket" with both Clinton and Obama was raised, an idea she and her husband have both hinted at in recent days, with a reporter asking how she could reconcile suggesting the Illinois senator had not passed the Commander-In-Chief test while suggesting he could make a good vice president, Clinton dodged the question, saying it was too soon to discuss running mates.

link

Obama has to deal with Rezko, which is a non-story. Hillary is going to have to deal with this.

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David Zephyr

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:23 PM
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43. This Obama supporter agrees with you, Butterflyblood.

:thumbsup:

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Cali_Democrat

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:25 PM
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44. What did Hillary know and when did she know it?

:rofl:

Sorry, but I just really wanted to post that. But for real, trying to tie Hillary to Spitzer is absurd.

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Flabbergasted

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Mon Mar-10-08 05:26 PM
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45. These attacks are the one that made me change my sig....

It's now just a standard donkey.

I don't want to be affiliated with this stupidity.

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Kahuna

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Mon Mar-10-08 06:27 PM
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46. I still say she should both renounce AND reject. If she wasn't such

a scold when it comes to people who get in HER way, nobody would give a damn what she does in this matter.

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jackson_dem

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Mon Mar-10-08 06:57 PM
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48. You can't compare Spitzer to Farrakhan

Do you think Spizter is supporting her because he likes her views on prostitution? Come on. The story about Farrakhan was the same as Duke's endorsement of Buchanan in 2000. It is about Farrakhan being comfortable enough with Obama's views to endorse him, like Duke was with Buchanan.

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Political Heretic

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Mon Mar-10-08 09:52 PM
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51. I agree with you.

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Strelnikov_

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Mon Mar-10-08 09:54 PM
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53. I agree. Bad day for Dems/Progressives n/t

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fujiyama

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Mon Mar-10-08 09:55 PM
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54. There's no reason to believe there's a link

Edited on Mon Mar-10-08 09:58 PM by fujiyama

between the two whatsoever in this...

As far as I know...

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DeepModem Mom

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Mon Mar-10-08 10:01 PM
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57. K&R

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dkf

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Tue Mar-11-08 02:06 AM
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58. In general, people who cheat on their spouses are scorned.

I know that a lot of Dems don't give a damn, but a lot of the country does.

Like it or not, this Spitzer thing brings us right back to the whole Monica thing and the Livingston thing, and the McGreevy thing, and the Newsom thing, and the Rudy thing, and the Foley thing and the Craig thing, and the Vitter thing, etc.

I don't understand why so many people here give free passes to cheaters.

What is up with that?

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NMMatt

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Tue Mar-11-08 02:08 AM
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59. I agree - in this case Clinton had nothing to do with it

However, lets not pretend that she and her husband aren't too of the most unethical people in our party.

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JimGinPA

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Tue Mar-11-08 02:14 AM
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60. This Has Notthing To Do With Clinton - But They've Been Waging A Perception War...

The longer this drags out, the more times you'll see old footage of a defiant Bill Clinton wagging his finger saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman...". That's the reality.

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bklyncowgirl

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Tue Mar-11-08 06:00 AM
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61. Hey Butterflyblood this is GDP you're not supposed to be fair to the other candidate.

Silliness and baseless attacks are the rule here.

I do think that it is a stretch to attack Hillary for Spitzers transgressions.

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Perry Logan

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Tue Mar-11-08 06:17 AM
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63. It's part of that "unity" thing.

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