I'm going to put on my tinfoil hat now

freetobegay

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Thu Apr-15-04 10:12 AM
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I'm going to put on my tinfoil hat now

Edited on Thu Apr-15-04 10:13 AM by freetobegay

We have hostages in Iraq. Did we not have Hostages in Iran in 1980? Wasn't that one of the reasons Reagan was elected for freeing the Hostages? Lets get Kerry to negoiate the release of the hostages in Iraq! Or is this really :tinfoilhat:

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stopthegop

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Thu Apr-15-04 10:15 AM
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1. hostages weren't released until Reagan became president..

just a final swipe at Carter...there are 'theories' and claims Reagan worked to keep the hostages in Iran until he was elected, but there's nothing there...

having Kerry negotiate with the people holding the hostages would be a very bad idea...

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Skip Intro

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Thu Apr-15-04 10:20 AM
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6. I've read that poppy bush was the one who set that up

Edited on Thu Apr-15-04 10:22 AM by nu_duer

- keeping the hostages held until rr took office

not saying its true - I am definitely not the one to defend or debunk - but there is a bush in the equation...

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stopthegop

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Thu Apr-15-04 10:30 AM
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7. Dem congress investigated...found nothing..

IMO you have to be pathetically overcome with hatred to believe it...

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webtrainer

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Thu Apr-15-04 01:18 PM
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8. Riiiight Rep. Lee Hamilton headed the investigation . . .

makes you wonder why *Bush picked him to be co-chair of the 9/11 Commission?

I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss the idea that Reagan/Bush people did indeed secretly negotiate for the hostages release.

More here--> http://www.consortiumnews.com/1999/051499a.html

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On the Road

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Thu Apr-15-04 06:00 PM
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9. Pathetically Consumed with Hatred?

No, just willing to look beyond an official Congressional commission. Democrats were extremely wary of making accusations against a President so many people adored. There would have had to be a smoking gun. Since Reagan's people all denied it, there was no finding.

If you go overseas, it's a different story. It's a common belief that Reagan made an agreement with the Iranians to delay releasing the hostages in return for later concessions. The existence of the October Surprise is confirmed by prime-minister or cabinet-level people in:

France
Israel
Egypt
Russia (then Soviet Union)
Palestinian Authority
Iran

Seriously. Look at that Consortium News piece. There's lots more, too.

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Mika

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Thu Apr-15-04 06:08 PM
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10. Ever hear of the "October Surprise"?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0788199765/103-4387027-1655068?v=glance

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54anickel

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Thu Apr-15-04 07:17 PM
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11. Heh, and here I thought it was a given. This just came up with the in-laws

at Easter dinner and everyone, even the Repugs in the family agreed the plan to release the hostages under Reagan was true. :shrug:

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RUMMYisFROSTED

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Thu Apr-15-04 07:24 PM
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12. They were released on the day Raygun was inaugurated. eom

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AntiCoup2K4

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Thu Apr-15-04 08:06 PM
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13. You would have to be pathetically blind to NOT believe it!

I was 14 when that shit went down and it took me all of 5 minutes to figure out. I've been fighting the Bush Criminal Empire ever since.

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JNelson6563

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Thu Apr-15-04 08:12 PM
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14. Yeah, sure

You need to do some readin' up on the BFEE friend.

Julie

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Capn Sunshine

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Fri Apr-16-04 01:26 PM
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15. Hey, ok then

Edited on Fri Apr-16-04 01:26 PM by Capn Sunshine

we'll be seeing you at midnight, election eve , huh?
:nuke:

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livetohike

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Thu Apr-15-04 10:16 AM
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2. Wouldn't it be ironic

if Jimmy Carter negotiated the release of the hostages?

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freetobegay

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Thu Apr-15-04 10:16 AM
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3. I didn't think of that.

Great Idea!

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RandomKoolzip

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Thu Apr-15-04 10:18 AM
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4. October Suprise II: The Return of Ross Perot!

Unfortunately he won't be running for president, however.

Yes, something about having hostages brings back some shitty memories for a lot of Americans who remember the late Carter years and the machinations of the Reagan-CIA teams behind the scenes, brokering delayed freedom for hostages in exchange for boosting the polls. Sickening.

I don't know how this would reflect on Kerry, though. Probably positively...I hope.

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xchrom

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Thu Apr-15-04 10:19 AM
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5. you look nice in tin foil

but those shoes!

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Freddie Stubbs

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Fri Apr-16-04 02:29 PM
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16. The incumbent President was blamed for it, not rewarded

I'm not sure why they would want that.

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