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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:38 AM
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So yesterday Obama accused the Clinton camp of circulating the African garb photo
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 06:41 AM by journalist3072
A short while ago, the Today show ran a clip of Obama on the stump yesterday, during which he accused Sen. Clinton's campaign of circulating a photo of him in African garb.

Unless he has proof that it was Sen. Clinton's campaign, he needs to STFU.

Obama loves to talk out of his a&s, and it's clear that's what he was doing yesterday.

Sen. Clinton's campaign has denied any role in circulating the photo.

And unless Obama has evidence to the contrary, he needs to shut up.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:40 AM
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1. What's the big deal?
I don't see anything wrong with him wearing the clothing in the first place.
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journalist3072 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:45 AM
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7. In his stump speech yesterday, he said it was to spread fear
But the point is that Obama has got to stop talking out of his a&s like this.

He has no proof that Sen Clinton's camp spread that photo----or else he would have produced the evidence by now.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:56 AM
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15. the sad thing is he said that he believed Hillary Clinton that she knew nothing about it
Clinton denied any knowledge of the photo coming from one of her staff.

"So far as I know, it did not," she said. "That's not the kind of behavior that I condone or expect from the people working in my campaign."

Obama, a senator from Illinois, said he believes her.

"I take Sen. Clinton at her word that she knows nothing about the photo," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/26/dems.debate/
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:13 AM
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27. Obama is being hypocritical by accusing the Clinton camp of leaking the photo.. when he says..
"I take Sen. Clinton at her word that she knows nothing about the photo," he said.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:26 AM
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36. My gawd---Obama himself says he believes Hillary and then dumps on her on the trail!!
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:38 AM
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40. His whole campaign is based on whining about Hillary
He never ever articulates policy, then he wonders why his supporters stand looking like a deer in the headlights when you ask them about his policy positions.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:53 AM
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47. nicely said.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:40 AM
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103. It's time for Hillary to mention, Obama is obsessed with her..
just like the Republicans are!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:11 PM
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119. He really has been mocking/dissing her on the stump this last 3-4 weeks.
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 05:52 PM
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129. It's "FEAR" of losing to a W-O-M-A-N!
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:06 AM
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48. You mean like Clinton saying he's not fit to be president but then throwing out a dream ticket
scenario with him as VP!

OMG!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:07 AM
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50. Stay focused on the OP
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NDambi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:12 AM
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52. I'd rather focus on you...you're so frickin' cute!!
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:25 AM
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57. Translation:
Stop making valid points that illustrate the Clinton campaign's hypocrisy.
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Dave_Fl_50 Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:19 AM
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87. He's making Bush look ethical
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:27 PM
Response to Reply #27
110. He's accusing her campaign, not Hillary...
Hypocritical is as Hillary does.
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Drachasor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:34 PM
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122. There's a difference between Hillary and her Campaign
He says he believes Hillary didn't have anything to do with it, but that doesn't mean her campaign didn't do anything. Especially given her rather hands-off approach to running her campaign, and all the in-fighting, it is quite possible someone was responsible for the photo. Remember, her campaign has NOT denied any involvement regarding the photo.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:36 AM
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39. Obama is a thin skinned crybaby
His whole campaign is based on whining
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:39 AM
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101. Yep, unless he's basking in blind, question-less adoration he's all good with that
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:42 AM
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2. Link to that denial?
Thanks.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:15 AM
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28. "I take Sen. Clinton at her word that she knows nothing about the photo," he said.


Forum Name General Discussion: Primaries
Topic subject the sad thing is he said that he believed Hillary Clinton that she knew nothing about it
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5017054#5017126
5017126, the sad thing is he said that he believed Hillary Clinton that she knew nothing about it
Posted by bigtree on Tue Mar-11-08 06:56 AM

Clinton denied any knowledge of the photo coming from one of her staff.

"So far as I know, it did not," she said. "That's not the kind of behavior that I condone or expect from the people working in my campaign."

Obama, a senator from Illinois, said he believes her.

"I take Sen. Clinton at her word that she knows nothing about the photo," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/26/dems.debate/
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:42 AM
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3. No, you're the one talking out of your
butt. And the Clinton camp has not denied that the photo was sent out by staffers on their campaing. He's playing hard ball just like hilly. Tough shit if the likes of you don't like it. Whine away.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:02 AM
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74. Cali, Obama jumped to conclusions that the Clinton camp
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:08 AM by UALRBSofL
circulated those photos, but, she has denied it over a week ago. Then, his camp leaked a story that a large block of white people in Ohio voted for Clinton because she was white. Anyway, these little sound bites are not good for our party. Seriously, they keep adding up and I believe our party will have a split. Cali, I don't mean a big split but enough of one that could cause serious problems come GE. As people say, this is politics but they are missing the big picture which is we don't want a republican in office for another 4 years. In my opinion, of any issues in politics that should be left out of a campaign, is racial issues. This will splinter a party quicker then any thing else I can think of.
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MagsDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:32 AM
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100. Bullshit, cali
1) She has absolutely denied it.

2) He previously claimed he accepted that statement

3) Now, as usual for him, he's playing the race card to black voters
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:29 PM
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111. Obama's people are the likely source for the circulation of that photo. The race card
has been Barack's magic carpet throughout this campaign.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:42 AM
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4. If you go back 3-4 days you will see this discussed at length,
including with the evidence presented.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:49 AM
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10. you have NO proof this was authorized by the leadership of the Clinton campaign
Even Drudge didn't manage anything other than "it came from a Clinton staffer."

If YOU have proof this was approved by the Clonton campaign and not some idiot who pulled this picture off of the web and sent it to Drudge, or even, that Drudge is telling the truth. If you want to persist in the accusation and expect to be taken seriously, YOU need to present that evidence. The burden of proof is on the accuser. And, I'm not going to accept ANYTHING from Drudge at face value.

The Clinton campaign has already denied they were involved and said they would try and find the culprit (if one actually exists in their campaign).
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:56 AM
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14. the Clintons always want plausible deniability...
but there seems to be a lot of Clinton campaign folk doing nasty things....some get caught and resign....others may get a way with it
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:58 AM
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17. Apparently, so does the Obama camp. First Obama said he believed Clinton
when she said she had no knowledge. Now he's taken to exploiting a lie from a proven liar.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:43 AM
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67. Obviously the buck doesn't stop with Hillary...I wonder how she would do as pres
she's obviously no harry truman!
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Dave_Fl_50 Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:23 AM
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89. The Clinton's kidnapped the Lindberg baby
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:44 AM
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5. No, they haven't "denied any role"
They have denied any official role...that is the photo was not distributed at the behest of campaign officials.

But they do not dispute that someone working within their campaign may have distributed it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:06 AM
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49. I take Sen. Clinton at her word that she knows nothing about the photo," he [Obama] said.
Clinton denied any knowledge of the photo coming from one of her staff.

"So far as I know, it did not," she said. "That's not the kind of behavior that I condone or expect from the people working in my campaign."

Obama, a senator from Illinois, said he believes her.

"I take Sen. Clinton at her word that she knows nothing about the photo," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/26/dems.debate/
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:09 AM
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62. right, and I believe her on that
But to claim they have denied *any* role is factually inaccurate. The campaign has not made that statement.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:44 AM
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6. Good gawd--O. Jump-started that lie again!! He believes Drudge!!
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:46 AM
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9. nope. the Clinton campaing has not said that it didn't happen- that
some staffer sent it out. And Obama is hitting back hard at your gal. He'll win today in MS, and odds are good he'll pick up more SDs today. She. Is. Losing.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:10 AM
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25. Obama believes the RW slim!--Drudge has NOT produced the memo! It is heresay
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:45 AM
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:50 AM
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12. No, the accusers need to put up or shut up. Drudge is NOT a credible source.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:03 AM
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23. Not only not a source, their lie didn't even say they had it from the campaign
"Clinton staffer circulated" - when it's something in the public domain is the vaguest of the accusations - and impossible to refute by its nature.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:49 AM
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11. Provide an exact quote or shut up.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:52 AM
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13. here, as if you couldn't find it yourself. He's YOUR candidate.
He accused Clinton's campaign of leaking a photograph of him wearing traditional African garments, including a turban, during a visit to Africa. That was "straight out of the Republican playbook," Obama said. "That's not real change."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jld3VILFDbEY6uciu_lp_YgBnGqwD8VB59580
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:58 AM
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18. Sorry, doesn't pass the smell test.
The article's quote of him never mentions Clinton's camp.

The article's author, as much as he wants it to be true, and as much as you want it to be true, did not quote Obama accusing Clinton.

Furthermore, her campaign is most likely responsible and *should* be blamed after Clinton's lame back-handed labelling of Obama being a Muslim.


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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:59 AM
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20. Obama said it does. I guess he lied.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 07:00 AM by bigtree
and, I found this summary quote. Don't pretend he didn't say this. It's easy enough to find, if you intend to look.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:03 AM
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22. It's up to you to prove your assertion. You've failed.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:07 AM
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24. go fish. What I provided is enough for anyone with any credibility at all.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 07:08 AM by bigtree
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:15 AM
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29. You provided nothing but a disconnected quote that does not prove your assertion
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:18 AM
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32. What's happening here is you are either too lazy to look or banking on no one finding a direct quote
I'm not wasting my time. I heard the statement, and I'm convinced. Just covering your ears and eyes won't change what he said.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:26 AM
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35. There's no quote out there.
And if there were, it wouldn't matter. Everyone knows she did it anyway, "as far as we know."
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:08 AM
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51. see, you're just playing politics. What a surprise.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:12 AM
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26. NO credibility at all--when Obama fans cite DRUDGE as their 'evidence"
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:15 AM
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:17 AM
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31. silly--It was Mr. DRUDGE who put out the story--He said he had a memo from
the clinton camp. but he has never produced that memo now has he?

And personal assults are against the rules.

"You are becoming more disconnected from reality each day rodeo. Seek help.
Posted by berni_mccoy"
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:20 AM
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33. Why do you give these folks who insult you any of your time?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:23 AM
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34. silly me I
thought i could reason with them---i give up on this one.

but i have pushed the magic button. We will see???
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:28 AM
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37. rodeodance: "No credibility at all" -- that's you
And it was to me claiming I cited Drudge. But I didn't. You are really messed up.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:08 AM
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79. Since the memo from drudge has NEVER been produced you are citing Mr 'HERESAY"
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:51 AM
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45. After all the inuendo's and smear's to outright untruths, how you Clintonista's
have the nerve to say one word. If I had a dollar for every stupid and slanderous thing Hillary and her surrogates have said about him, the voters, the process; I would have a good pocket of money.

When they can flatly deny it then we will talk. He has not said a peep about the muslim email (came from your camp), what about Ferraro yesterday, how about "as far as I know".

You people amaze and shock me!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:57 AM
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16. Her campaign has lost benefit of the doubt in regards to racial comments, they've "apologized" too..
...many times to me for these incidents to be accidents now.

I'm very disappointed in Hillary's people
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:59 AM
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19. Obama's camp has had to make their own apologies as well
That doesn't make them liars.
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Dave_Fl_50 Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:25 AM
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90. DING DING DING - The Racist Label has been affixed
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:00 AM
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21. ...



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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:29 AM
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38. That's his MO - Make shit up, and pretend to be outraged over the shit he makes up.
That pic was in a nationaly circulated newspaper months before Clinton-hating Drudge hyped it up - and Obama's campaign was completely silent about the newspaper's printing of the pic.
When the trutgh comes out, I bet the Clinton-hating hating Obama camp "leaked" it to the Clinton hating-Drudge Report so they'd have something to bitch about.
More scummy behavior from BO and crew.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:45 AM
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41. Exactly
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:48 AM
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43. He's not making it up. Clinton did leak the photo..."as far as I know."
Don't you just love having that quote fed back at you.
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 06:41 PM
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130. Just another example of BO Hypersensitivity to laugh at...
DUbamas should only be allowed to post in the humor forum.
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:46 AM
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42. YEAH and the Clinton camp always tells the truth. YEAH RIGHT!nt
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:48 AM
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44. "As far as I know" -- Clinton on Obama being a Muslim
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 07:53 AM by berni_mccoy
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 07:52 AM
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46. "CLINTON VAGUE ABOUT CONTROVERSIAL OBAMA PHOTO"
http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/barack.obama.hillary.2.662447.html

Clinton Camp HAS NEVER DENIED it, even when ASKED DIRECTLY.

Clinton, who has worn native dress herself, like during a trip to Jordan in 1999, responded through a campaign manager Maggie Williams.

"If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing Somali dress is divisive, they should be ashamed," Williams said.

Team Clinton never actually admitted they had anything to do with the photo but …

"No, no … it's unlikely that it came up by accident," political expert David Birdsell said.

And it could end up backfiring on Hillary.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:15 AM
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53.  "I take Sen. Clinton at her word that she knows nothing about the photo," he said.
Clinton denied any knowledge of the photo coming from one of her staff.

"So far as I know, it did not," she said. "That's not the kind of behavior that I condone or expect from the people working in my campaign."

Obama, a senator from Illinois, said he believes her.

"I take Sen. Clinton at her word that she knows nothing about the photo," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/26/dems.debate/
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:20 AM
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55. He DIDN'T say he takes the campaign at their word. "Obama is lucky he's black" - Clinton staffer
Her staff does not act as she says she wants them to. And her word is meaningless "as far as <she> knows".
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:15 AM
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63. BO dis-honored himself yesterday. You and he knows his comments will
have negative effects on Clinton. That was the whole purpose of his bringing this mess up again.


Shame on him.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:17 AM
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54. touchy touchy huh...someone must've hit a soft spot...
thats it.
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boston bean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:22 AM
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56. Hopefully they won't blame her for this pic which is all over the RW blogosphere....
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 08:23 AM by MassDemm


I only post because blaming her is ridiculous.
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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:43 AM
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58. k
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Cass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:46 AM
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59. Obama is getting played like a fiddle by the RW with this.
As we all know, Drudge is not to be trusted, he's a slime. Remember the Novak thing awhile back? Same MO, and Obama fell for it then, too. He needs to drop this as he is falling for a republican game.

Here's the Clinton camp response to the Novak incident and it fits equally well here:

"Once again Sen. Obama is echoing Republican talking points, this time from Bob Novak," he said in an e-mailed statement.

"This is how Republicans work. A Republican-leaning journalist runs a blind item designed to set Democrats against one another.

Experienced Democrats see this for what it is.

Others get distracted and thrown off their games. Voters should be concerned about the readiness of any Democrat inexperienced enough to fall for this.

There is only one campaign in this race that has actually engaged in the very practice that Sen. Obama is decrying, and it's his.

We have no idea what Mr. Novak's item is about and reject it totally. Instead of pointing fingers at us, Sen. Obama should get back to the issues and focus on what this election is really about." http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1107/6949.html

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:40 AM
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66. thanks--I had forgotten how BO also got duped by Novak
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 08:47 AM
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60. "Sen. Clinton's campaign has denied any role in circulating the photo." Link?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:17 AM
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64. …..Clinton denied any knowledge of the photo coming from one of her staff.

……..Clinton denied any knowledge of the photo coming from one of her staff.

"So far as I know, it did not," she said. "That's not the kind of behavior that I condone or expect from the people working in my campaign."

Obama, a senator from Illinois, said he believes her.

"I take Sen. Clinton at her word that she knows nothing about the photo," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/26/dems.debate/
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:00 AM
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71. "Clinton denies knowledge of it happening" is not denying that her campaign did it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:06 AM
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77. are you parsing between "staff" and "Campaign" it sucks if that is what you are doing.
Clinton denied any knowledge of the photo coming from one of her staff.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:08 AM
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80. And, again, denying knowledge is not denying the event. I have no knowledge of
what you ate for breakfast this morning, or if you did at all. Saying "I have no knowledge of rodeodance eating breakfast" is not the same as saying "Rodeodance did not eat breakfast this morning."
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:11 AM
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82. So what is the 'event" is your mind?--related to the OP?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:16 AM
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86. The circulation of that photograph for political purposes. You know, the event you falsely claimed
they had denied.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:28 AM
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99. see my post below.
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Nine Donating Member (472 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:01 AM
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61. Obama has now reversed himself TWICE
On the day Drudge published the photo and claimed, without evidence, that the photo had been sent from one Clinton staffer to another (not that the Clinton campaign had leaked it to Drudge), the Obama campaign twice accused the Clinton campaign of leaking the photo. The first accusation came from Obama's campaign manager, the second from Obama himself. And I don't want to hear how the Clinton campaign did not deny leaking the photo "quickly" enough. The accusation from Obama's campaign manager came less than two hours after the photo was out. They didn't wait for a denial. They didn't ask the Clinton campaign if it came from them - just took the non-evidenced Drudge claim, embellished it, and ran with it. The Clinton campaign did deny it. If they took a few hours to issue a denial, perhaps it's because they were doing some fact-finding to make sure what they were saying was the truth - something the Obama camp might want to consider in the future.

The next day at the Cleveland debate, Obama reversed himself and said he believed the Clinton campaign did NOT send Drudge the photo. Guess he didn't have the guts to accuse Clinton to her face. Or maybe he just wanted to look above it all after he'd already smeared her, his usual MO.

And now he's apparently reversed himself again. What a creep.

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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:31 AM
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65. Mississippi
has a black population significant enough that ObamaCo. thinks this will effect the outcome of this primary.

He's trying to pull another S.C-like victory.

That his follower's think this is ok blows my mind.Clinton supposedly 'endorsed' McCain while Obama is exploiting race and the very real tensions between the races.

One has to do with allegedly "betraying" The Party the others betrayal transcends Party;damages already fragile relations between the races by disingenuously using a horrible part of American history for his personal gain.

Racism is alive and well in the U.S.;for Obama to exploit it in this way and further inflame tensions is so beyond the pale.It's really difficult to have any respect for Obama.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:47 AM
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68. yes, BO was playing dirty racial politices in Miss. yesterday!
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Raffi Ella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:32 AM
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93. yes he was.
I think he's used this angle from the beginning in Iowa and ratcheted it up in S.C. when The Clinton's dared mentioned Jesse Jacksons name and then ObamaCo. attributed other remarks they made,that had nothing to do with race,to racism.

It's happening again in Mississippi.

The thing that gets to me beyond how wrong and sad it is for relations between the races is that it's against a Woman who has worked so hard for minorities and whose Husband was described - by blacks- as the First Black President.

For Obama to do this is just sad.Very VERY disappointing.I realize politics aren't pretty but what he's doing hurts us all and could have lasting effects.

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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:56 AM
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95. Excuse me...
But it was someone from the Hillary campaign who did this picture thing with obama. It was Ferrarro who brought up the topic of race by saying obama is only doing well because he is a black man. It is not obama bringing up the topic of race. Time and time again, someone in the hillary campaign brings up the race card. They tried to do it in SC and it backfired hugely.

I wish Ferrarro had not tried to whine about race. It is unbecoming of a Democrat to do this kind of baiting.

But to say it was Obama bringing up the subject is like saying the Sun comes up in the West.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:50 PM
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126. Excuse you, Obama's "claims" have been debunked
as will the attacks he's now making on Ferraro.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:49 PM
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125. Agree its beyond contempt
and very destructive. Obama's "win at all costs" strategy doesn't say very good things about him, particularly his qualifications to be president.

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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:51 AM
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69. so ferraro says obama is only winning because he is black and has all the advantages
but it is obama who is playing the race card....?

omg how blind can you be? time after time hillary's side plays the race card...ferrarro's is just one more in a long parade.

Pretty soon someone will be saying that Martin Luther King Jr was just a speech, needed a white president to get things done. OOps...that's already been said.

Or compare Obama to Jessie Jackson. Oops, that's already been done.

Or imply Obama is a Muuuuuslim. Oops, that's been done repeatedly.

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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:09 AM
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81. she ws right BO's Blackness has benefited him.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:45 AM
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94. that's why blacks dominate presidencies, Congress, Senate, State Houses?
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:48 AM by earthlover
Yup, those AA's have all the advantages to winning elections.

That's why so many of our leaders are black.

Always been that way.

I might add that my point was Ferrarro, not Obama, is playing the race card here....she brought it up.

Why do Hillary backers have to make race an issue and bring attention to race so much? Any explanations? I have one, but maybe there are other explanations.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:19 AM
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96. Mostly because the media has been afraid to scutinize him for fear of being called Racist.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:27 AM
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98. So you are saying that media do not scrutinize blacks....so are there a lot of congresspeople...
presidents, senators, governors, etc who are black? You know, the media are afraid to scrutinize blacks so they have all the advantages....

So which house of congress has a majority of AA members? Name one! And when was the last time an AA was elected president? You know, the media have always been so afraid....

BS
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:22 PM
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108. Yes it has
He has exploited it beyond belief.
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earthlover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:05 PM
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114. PRetty broad generalization there...got any quotes or links from OBAMA?
It has been my observation that Obama has been extremely reluctant to race the issue of race. Why should he? If he gets pegged the "AA candidate" he loses. It has been the intent of the Clinton campaign all along to try to explain his popularity on the basis of race. Obama has tried not to play along or take the bait.

But if you have any quotes from OBAMA raising the issue of race (the equivalent of Hillary saying hers would be a victory for WOMEN) then I would like to see the quotes.

By and large it would not have made any sense for Obama to raise the issue of race. It would be a lose-lose situation for him. The Hillary Herd knows this and deliberately throw the issue in from time to time.

Again this week we hear of Ferrarro RAISING THE ISSUE of race, saying Obama had all the advantages and wouldn't be where he is if he wasn't a black man. That is racist horse shit! It sounds like the grousing of skin heads who blame everything on blacks taking over for chrissakes.

There has to be a more sensitive way to run a campaign without race baiting. I am deeply saddened at what I have seen in the Hillary camp. As far as I know.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:47 PM
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115. ...
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 01:49 PM by cricket08
you have got to be kidding me. Do you not think Oprah stepping out in the beginning, talking with a chant I have never heard speak before, stating "they say it isn't your turn" - do you think that was not a shout out to the AA's. Michelle Obama's speeches have been filled with innuendo's of racism. Oh yes, Obama has most definitely used the race card to his advantage. That's basically why he was given a free ride for so long by the press. It's a very sensitive area, and people tend to avoid it (probably because they have racist feelings). The Clintons are not racists. That's just a fact. I don't care how you want to spin whatever was said in SC, Bill Clinton is NOT a racist. As for Ferrarro, I don't think her remarks were racist. I think she was stating the fact of the matter. You can find a lot of things to hate about Clintons if you want too, but being racists is not one of them. And it's obviously been a win-win situation for Obama to use the race card.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:22 PM
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107. Yes, Read My Lips
OBAMA HAS PLAYED THE RACE CARD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. HIS WHOLE CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN A CALL TO RACISM.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:10 PM
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118. correct
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:39 PM
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112. "omg how blind can you be?"
Pretty freaking blind. It's required to wear rose-colored glasses to filter out the blinding avalanche of crud coming from the Clintonistas. Talk about a cult. Barack is a racist - because he's "lucky" enough to be black, but Hillary "deserves" women's votes because she's a woman. It's only fair if only they are allowed to lie, cheat and smear. :shrug:

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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:19 PM
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120. LOL
that's really funny ("crud coming from the Clintonistas")...this board is nothing but an outlet for Obamites to slam out as many untruths on Hillary as possible each and everyday.

BTW ...Hillary doesn't deserve women's votes - she's earned them!!!


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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:38 PM
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123. Glad you can appreciate the humor...
of "crud coming from the Clintonistas" - unintended as it was. Exactly HOW has Hillary earned the vote of every woman, again?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 09:57 AM
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70. Was it a real photo? Yes. So now Obama is upset? With whom? HIMSELF??
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:03 AM by WinkyDink
Either the photo is a fake, in which case there are dirty tricks afoot; or it is a real one of Obama wearing Somali garb, in which case he cannot rationally complain about its being circulated.
I mean, that is bizarre, if Team Obama is complaining about a reality!
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:00 AM
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72. With the people who are attempting to use his Kenyan heritage as a political weapon.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:02 AM
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73. If reality is a "weapon" to Obama, he's wound too tight. Reality doesn't sit well with Bush, either.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:04 AM by WinkyDink
And anyway, he wants it only his way, right? Hasn't Obama tried to use his heritage to his political benefit, that it would help him understand and be understood by the world?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:06 AM
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76. So, taking offense to race-baiting is now Bush-like denial of reality. So,
do you believe it is "reality" that Obama's heritage makes him less suited for the Presidency?
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:51 PM
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113. "less suited"? YOUR inference is interesting; I hadn't thought of it.
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 12:54 PM by WinkyDink
Did he or didn't he wear the da*n outfit?! It's just a picture! Why is HIS camp making such a to-do over it?
I've seen Prince Charles wear native outfits. What's Obama's point in "accusing" HRC about this photo?
IOW, Obama is playing the race card as a convenient straw man.
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Dave_Fl_50 Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:27 AM
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91. He's a lot like Bush
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Dave_Fl_50 Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:03 AM
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75. Is he ashamed to be of African descent?

Why is being in that clothing a negative
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:07 AM
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78. I'm not ashamed to be GLBT. I'd be pissed if someone were to use that against me in a race.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:13 AM
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84. You ASSume the clinton camp did it??--sillly--so did Drudge! --so did BO.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:15 AM
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85. Given their refusal to deny the story, yes, I do. So did NBC, ABC, and CNN.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:25 AM
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97. Obama: "I take Senator Clinton at her word that she knew nothing about the photo. So I think that's
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/obama-flips-on.html

Obama Flips on Whether Clinton Leaked that Photo

March 11, 2008

Obama: "I take Senator Clinton at her word that she knew nothing about the photo. So I think that's something that we can set aside."

- Cleveland debate, February 26, 2008

Obama: "When in the midst of a campaign you decide to throw the kitchen sink at your opponent because you're behind, and you start, your campaign starts leaking photos of me when I'm traveling overseas wearing native clothes of those folks, to make people afraid, then you run an ad talking about who's going to answer the phone at three in the morning, an ad straight out of the Republican playbook, that's not real change. That's not real change. That's the same old thing."

 Jackson, Mississippi, March 10, 2008
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:40 AM
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102. Where's the disconnect? He says Clinton knew nothing. He says her campaign leaked it.
Why can't both be true?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 11:59 AM
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104. Because the Neg. effect is the same and YOU know and BO knows it!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:02 PM
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:21 PM
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106. I am not going to respond anymore to this tread. and please stop with the personal attacks on me.
So it's a flip-flop because other people might be as illiterate as you are?
Posted by Occam Bandage
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:12 AM
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83. I love that you're a "journalist"
:rofl:
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:20 AM
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88. I'll match intellectual wits with you...(in my best Gordon Ramsey impression)
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 10:21 AM by asSEENonTV
fuck off...you bugger!
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Dave_Fl_50 Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 10:29 AM
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92. Bollocks
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 12:25 PM
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109. I think it's fair to say that Hillary has set the bar...
for "proof" of allegations in this race. Obama isn't even close to that depth yet. Go for it, Barack.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:55 PM
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116. Drudge did it! And Obama only keeps the story alive longer talking about it!
Edited on Tue Mar-11-08 01:59 PM by McCamy Taylor
In fact all of the stories that Fox and the Moonie rags and Drudge have broken and attributed to Clinton (without any proof whatsoever) which the Obama camp have blamed on Hillary and which Obama has at first said "Oh Hillary would not do that" he is eventually brought back up and claimed Hillary did that. He brings them back up way after everyone else has forgotten the stories. He does not want to let the stories die. And he keeps bringing up his own drug use, too, lying that three Clinton advisers brought it up when only one did---why does he keep talking about his own drug use? Why does he keep talking about the rumors that he is a Muslim? No one else will even be talking about it and he and his followers will bring it up out of nowhere...
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 01:57 PM
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117. The accusation against her was debunked, why is he still bringing it up?
I find his campaign dirty tricks dishonest and distasteful. How anyone can think he would be a good president is beyond me. He's so much like Bush.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-11-08 02:26 PM
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121. Now why would he think that?


The Drudge Report warms to the Clinton camp, or is it vice versa?
By Jim Rutenberg
Published: October 22, 2007
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/10/22/america/drudge.1-156891.php?page=1

WASHINGTON: As Senator Barack Obama prepared to give a major speech on Iraq one morning a few weeks ago, a flashing-red siren alert went up on the Drudge Report Web site. It read, "Queen of the Quarter: Hillary Crushes Obama in Surprise Fund-Raising Surge," and, "$27 Million, Sources Tell Drudge Report."

Within minutes, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's fund-raising success was injected via Drudge into the day's political news on the Internet and cable television. It did not halt coverage of Obama's speech or his criticism of her vote to authorize the war in 2002, but along the front lines of the campaign - the hourly, intensely fought effort to capture the news cycle or deny ownership of it to the other side - it was a telling assault.


Clinton's aides declined to discuss how the Drudge Report got access to her latest fund-raising figures nearly 20 minutes before the official announcement went to supporters. But it was a prime example of a development that has surprised much of the political world: Clinton is learning to play nice with the Drudge Report and the powerful, elusive and conservative-leaning man behind it.
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Clinton's communications team, led by Howard Wolfson, is not leaving Drudge to the Republicans. Five current and former Democratic officials said Clinton has on her side the closest thing her party has ever had to Rhoades in Tracy Sefl, a former Democratic National Committee official. The officials said that Sefl had established a friendly relationship with Drudge and that Clinton's campaign often worked quietly through her to open a line of communication with Drudge.
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Though liberals say Drudge's ideological imbalance remains plain, Republicans, who viewed the site as theirs in campaigns past, say they are noticing what they believe to be more Democratic driven, often Clinton driven, items on it.

And, as New York magazine reported recently, it has escaped no one that Drudge has sometimes mentioned Clinton favorably on his syndicated radio program, even if no one really knows whether his comments reflect admiration for her or simply a recognition that keeping her in the news is good for his business.
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Former Republican Party and Bush campaign officials said that in 2004 they considered Drudge's site so central in their efforts to undermine Senator John Kerry's presidential campaign that they systemized their approach to him. Senior aides in the Bush war room, run by Steve Schmidt, a veteran Republican communications aide, insisted on vetting any information to be fed to Drudge so as not to annoy and overwhelm him with items he might find unworthy. And, these officials said, when the approval was given, the main point of contact was usually the Bush aide who then had the closest relationship with Drudge, J. Timothy Griffin, currently a consultant to the campaign of Fred Thompson, the former Republican senator from Tennessee.

Through that system, Bush's aides funneled embarrassing tidbits about Kerry in which mainstream news reporters had initially shown less interest. From time to time, those former aides said, an item's appearance on Drudge would drive it into mainstream news coverage: A video clip of Kerry contradicting himself, or a photograph of him wearing a protective germ outfit.



December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."
"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."


Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html


Kerrey Apologizes to Obama Over Remark
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=4031436
Kerrey's mention of Obama's middle name and his Muslim roots raised eyebrows because they are also used as part of a smear campaign on the Internet that falsely suggests Obama is a Muslim who wants to bring jihad to the United States. Obama is a Christian.

The Clinton campaign has already fired two volunteer county coordinators in Iowa for forwarding hoax e-mails with the debunked claim. Last week, a national Clinton campaign co-chairman resigned for raising questions about whether Obama's teenage drug use could be used against him, so Kerrey's comments raised questions about whether the Clinton campaign might be using another high-profile surrogate to smear Obama.



Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs


Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html


Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.
Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged
comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)


http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to
disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."

Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.


Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.

Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html


January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”



COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized
for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34


Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
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Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
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Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg
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