I'm starting to feel kinda bad for the good Obama

supporters.

All of your hopes and dreams....

I know what it's like to feel bad -- I really like Kucinich (but he dropped out.

I voted for John Edwards in the California Primary, even though he'd dropped out a few days earlier or something.

Yea, Obama sure did draw large crowds at arenas.

So now, it must be devastating to realize how embracing crazy ass religious people can send all of your hard work into the sewer in the blink of a fundie eye.

Wow.

:pals:

I've read nothing but post after post about how Obama would run away with things in Novemeber.

Even before the devastating video was released, I cautioned Obama supporters and said the Republicans would be cheating, so the election would be close.

I was told McCain would be getting crushed.

But now.

If there was ever a time for you folks to kiss up to the Hillary supporters and beg for their support in November it's now.

Because you know you need them more than ever now, right?

What a shocking situation this has become.

He's not ready in your opinion. McCain is choice #2 I hear. As far as I know...

about the Hillary supporters that some of you have actually encouraged to just leave the Democratic Party.

They say they won't be voting for Obama, so you need to plead with them to vote for Obama.

I'm so scared that he will lose in Novemeber because he can't stop from embracing religious nuts. :(

I'm just scared about the future of Democrats .. all because of some crazy ass religious folk. :(

The latest tracker has Obama's support waning and McCain beating him in a general matchup. http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-03-16-obama_N.htm

Pollster Scott Rasmussen's tracking polls of the presidential race, published on his website Rasmussenreports.com, showed McCain had moved from a tie with Obama nationally, 44%-44%, on Thursday, to a 47%-43% lead on Sunday.

Thanks for the belly laugh first thing in the morning.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

why you laugh so you don't cry.

They'll either vote in their own best interest or cut off their own noses to spite their faces. And if someone can't already see that, then there's not much to be done for or about them...other than to bring more sensible-thinking people into the voting process to offset that void.

It's a good thing that evil-by-association Obama is running a kick-ass grasroots campaign and boosting voter registration. Wow, how he must hate this country. :eyes:

going to bring into the voting process?

Are you going to run to Kinko's or something and make copies of people?

You have what you have.

Therefore, you need to begin kissing up.

Hurry. Before it's too late.

And as this board proves out, some are and some are not.

Even John McCain had the good sense to distinguish between the two. He didn't need to resort to that sneaky-ass "as far as I know" trick to lay any seeds of doubt.

The bottom line is that those who want to or need to believe the guilt-by-association smear tactics to justify a vote against Obama will continue down that path. And if that's their decision and it's enough to swing an election, than we as a nation reap what we sow for not being able to think or react beyond the manipulation.

down fighting huh.

And by the way, John McCain has no good sense.

And he's very sneak ass .. trying to trick people into thinking being in Iraq for 100 years isn't such a bad thing.

If someone is going to vote for McCain over Obama to teach the Dems a lesson in nominating a "non-experienced" candidate (and yes, I read someone say that was what they were going to do if Obama gets the nomination);

If someone has it tattooed in their brain that Obama must hate America because he's associated with Wright, and that whatever they perceive as Wright's hate (which I believe is wrongheaded from the go) is ALSO Obamas?

...then the hell with them. Those are some minds closed like a steel trap and they aren't going to change because I get 'on my hands and knees' to appeal to them. Bump that.

Either your mind is open to the options or it's not. The trick is to engage more of the open minds.

need to have their heads examined if they're trying to teach him a lesson.

I've not once ever said I understood why someone would do that, nor have I ever once said I approve of anyone doing that.

I also don't think Obama hates America, nor am I reading other people say they think Obama hates America because of Wright.

You need to calm down and listen to what people are truly saying.

Which is that this is how pandering comes back to haunt people.

You're embellishing (maybe even subconsciously) because you're frustrated at what's going on.

I don't blame you for being frustrated.


on edit....typo

Where do you get the idea that I'm not calm?

I'm not accusing YOU of thinking Obama hates America; I'm referring to others who have decided that he must by association. I speak in hypotheticals a lot.

I'm recounting what I've seen posted on these boards. Do you think I misunderstood what I read? That I didn't really "listen" to what the person who intends to vote for McCain was trying to tell me deep down inside?

I disagree. They couldn't have made it plainer what they were doing and why. Maybe you and I haven't been reading the same threads, which is not a stetch because they're practically viral.

And when I see those trains of thought expressed, I know that there is no practical way of making an appeal to someone locked in that mindset, just as I know that there most definitely exists a group of people who will not vote for Obama under any circumstances, whatever their reasons may be.

I'm also not sure what you mean by "pandering". You think I'm trying to curry favor with fellow Obama supporters? I doubt it, since I'm probably not recognized because of my low post count. I'm here adding my $.02 like everyone else. And if my opinions coincide with others, there we are.

I think a bigger problem on chat boards is flat-out misinterpretation and misunderstanding and non-acknowledgement of what's being written. So many people extract what they choose to see in a statement regardless of the context.

No candidate can or will ever win everyone over. You (the hypothetical "you", not you personally) see where the battle is lost and move on to people who haven't closed their minds to the options.

Anyone who needs to be begged to do what is best for the country in the GE is beneath contempt.

I will be supporting our Dem nominee, whether it is Clinton or Obama.

Those who don't feel the same and "need to be begged" are such self-serving emotional maggots that they should be left behind.

Either Clinton or Obama could move this country forward.

And I couldn't agree more.

:thumbsup:

Wow.

Just wish we could train our sights on McCain instead of focusing on other obstacles trying desperately to trip us up.

David

Senator Clinton won Ohio.

they won the popular vote in Texas.

When I check the figures, more Texans voted for Hillary Clinton during the primary.

Denial, denial.

Hold me, Damien!

:scared:

person he approaches!

He's been collecting crazy-ass religious people.

that's one of the major problems.

I just haven't had time

:rofl:

it's like they have some kind of fucking disease

and you're changing the subject.....duh.

She said April 15th to mislead

They are talking about 2006, that's the problem. Xerox time.

Why hasn't he released his tax records? Why isn't he getting the third degree about the religious whackjobs (who seem far more dangerous, in my opinion) he has been accumulating? That is what we should be demanding. Why isn't the media all over this?

parrot?

I must be hearing things.

I'm sure glad I don't rely on sound bites

:pals:

Bless yours too :)

supporters. This economic news and Nafta's role in it can't help her.

controversy/attention.

I just hope there aren't any more controversial religious people he's embraced.

:scared:

See, this is how pandering can get you in trouble.

When people realize they can't pay their bills and buy food and gas, they are not going to give a rat's ass about what Wright said. I take that back, they might just start agreeing with him.

:eyes:

Don't you have a job or something?

for their help.

All of your hopes and dreams and flying out the window.

You have to swallow your pride.

Seriously, early on it was all this religious pandering that turned me off to Obama, and it seems that it is the religious contingent that is becoming the most controversial of his candidacy.

in your world of 15 to 30 sec sound bites

'God saved me from homosexualityyyyyyyyyyyyy' he preached at an Obama event.

if you would rather have another 4yrs of McBush over 30 minutes, I don't know what to tell you

Nobody said anything about voting for McCain here.

Sounds as nutty as Wright.

I don't think I could sleep if I were an Obama supporter.

We passed a hard test, and we stood together strong. We feel "they" have failed. Time and polls will show if we are right in the next few days.

this news has been dominating television, radio, print and the internets blogs?

You can't see the sink hole 500 feet ahead in the middle of the road?

I've been away for the weekend and am now just getting caught up.

It's a disaster what I'm reading. :(

I can run few queries that can tell me where a news story stands.
The Wright story dropped from number 1 in election news to number 7 (and I am talking Monday morning news right now).

Edited to remove: You

Edited to add: Sorry, it's number 4, but regardless it's dropping

I can hear the shovels digging as we speak. You know.....the tapes where the racist venom is spewing and the tape spans the congregation and low and behold.....there sits the BO family taking it all in. :rofl:

Your pity is noted.

Let's hope it can't get any worse than it is. :(

When Barack Obama is elected president, I will give you a hug. I think you're going to need one. :)

But I really do hope it's Obama over McCain. :)

I'm just worried.

However, like any emotion, worry is toxic when it mutates into obsession.. Take care. :)

i would have no trouble switching to Hillary if she was the better candidate right now but i'm not feeling that.

what happens will happen. i'll vote for the dem and i will be nice to Hillary supporters, absolutely.

we need every democrat's vote in November, no matter who our standard bearer is.

out the closet to tell us Democrats we should roll over and die.

I don't know about all of you, but that gets me fired up. Cowardice never got anybody anything more than a kick in the ass.

.

up. Give condolences _after_ a candidate drops out.

.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4779500&mesg_id=4779500

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4849238&mesg_id=4849238

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4922044&mesg_id=4922044

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4942967&mesg_id=4942967

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4964704&mesg_id=4964704

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965088

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4965227

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4982708&mesg_id=4982708

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5036756

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5065868&mesg_id=5065868

Reporting threats against Hillary:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4999545&mesg_id=4999545

it ain't over by any stretch. McCain has his fundie problems, too.

You and they are the ones who will need sympathy.

:eyes:

person, not like someone who's sorry at all, but like someone who's reveling. And guess what, dearie? It's a little early for that.

:hug:

not.

Anything but that! :scared:

We're not giving up yet...this Obama supporter is sticking by him and is even more motivated after this attack.

But as a Deaniac in 2004, I do know how it feels to see a candidate you've supported for so long drop out...I just hope and pray that I won't have to go through it again this year.

that also.

But I'm glad you're able to at least recognize my sympathy as genuine.

Others are mocking me.

:eyes:

compare him to McClurkin.

start waking up.

By the way, he's not a crazy-ass fundie, but instead a widely respected figure in his community who has built a progressive, service-oriented congregation.

But, I know those black people are scary when they get angry.

which he is.

But I'm scared of crazy ass white people too.

I'm an equal opportunity critic of crazy ass assholes.

and they show footage from gay pride marches with people in bondage gear and what not, you'll call them crazy-ass fundies.

you and most other Americans would never vote for a gay candidate, which is why no LGBT people bother running.

We're responsible for creating wedge issues and costing Democrats the election. Remember?

Wright isn't a fundie. He's not hateful.

He's angry.

But, I'm sure you've never been angry at American society for the way it treats disfavored minorities.

activists yelling and screaming about straight people?

Oh hell no. lol

This dude is over the crazy ass top -- which, by the way, is why Obama is distancing himself from him as we speak.

Huh come Obama is distancing himself geek tragedy?

Afterall, he's a democrat I might support should he gets the nom.
Do I feel bad for some ugly, childish Obamites on this board? Hell No! So hell yeah, beg me for my support, you'll all need it.

He willstillber a young man (for politics). Plenty of time to get a great job in the dem administration, build a great resume with solid experience, get back to the atheist roots of his amazing mother, and figure out with others just how we can put this American legacy of racism behind all of us.

writer! :bounce:

But I do feel bad for the good ones .. who are my friends.

Don't be mad at me zonkers.

Be mad a those who are screwing things up.

It's been a rough couple of days.

I can't IMAGINE how I would feel if O-man were losing! :3

read. (Even though I had to google the username to know who you're talking about :blush: )

So I accept yet another one of your compliments!!

haha

:eyes:

I see how it is. :cry:

Now I know how it feels to be a sad Obama supporter.

Unfortunately, you've been afflicted with terrible myopia. The affliction that leads you to believe that this ends Obama's chances is the same short-sightedness that makes you think it best to submit to the racism behind the spin rather than fight it and stand up to it at this time.

you're starting to sound as smug as the Obamabots did during Hillary's losing streak

Now you've done it.

Damn, yer good. :spray: