Quick - Give me some examples of Wright's profound influence on Obama.

moondust

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Mon Mar-17-08 10:56 AM
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Quick - Give me some examples of Wright's profound influence on Obama.

There must be a ton of them for all the airtime it's getting.

Let's see, I know about the "Audacity of Hope" line that Obama turned into a hateful, vile attack on rich white people and advocated a bloody revolution.

What else?

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stray cat

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Mon Mar-17-08 10:58 AM
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1. Responsible for him becoming a christian

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MNDemNY

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Mon Mar-17-08 10:58 AM
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2. You mean his (self described) "spiritual adviser of twenty years",

or that Obama credits the "good " Rev. for bringing him to Christianity.??

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moondust

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:08 AM
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10. No no no. Concrete examples.

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DemGa

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Mon Mar-17-08 10:59 AM
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3. Hatred directed at the Clintons, of course --- NT

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HughMoran

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Mon Mar-17-08 10:59 AM
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4. "quick"

What's the hurry? It's a specious argument anyway, and you know it.

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moondust

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:09 AM
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12. I'm busy.

I don't think you know the meaning of that word. And you know you don't.

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HughMoran

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:58 AM
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19. An argument that sounds good, but is deceptive?

Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 11:58 AM by HughMoran

You silly faker - you are just trying to start trouble here. We have a name for people like you.

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BuyingThyme

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:00 AM
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5. Well, from what I heard from Bill Cunningham last night,

he wants to kill all the white folks.

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EFerrari

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:02 AM
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7. Not again!

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merh

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:01 AM
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6. Yes we can

that is an affirmation -- maybe it means that "We (the black people) can kick whities asses" - its a threat. :scared:

:sarcasm:

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nickn777

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:03 AM
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8. The fact that Obama could not walk away from him in 20 years...

proves that he had more than just a passing interest in Wright...

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moondust

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:09 AM
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13. No no no. Concrete examples!

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olkaz

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:04 AM
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9. The Title of Obama's book?

Directly lifted from the Pastor.

There are more, I'm sure.

(Even those this contrived Pastor crap has got to go.)

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angel123

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:40 AM
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18. audacity of hope. the sermon.

please read the sermon that inspired the title of obama's book. can be read at www.preachingtoday.com/sermons/audacity of hope. it is painful to see so much half truths posited as truth. we are better than this. remember, there disrupters on this site, itching to continue the acrimony. peace

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backscatter712

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:08 AM
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11. Those of you who say Wright named The Audacity of Hope, I have a question:

Have you actually read the book?

It's quite a good read there, and shows Obama's personality and opinions.

Can you name one passage? Just one, that has hatred or bile in it?

*chirping crickets*

I didn't think so.

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DangerDave921

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:10 AM
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14. Questions

The questions have to be asked first. We don't know the details until Obama tells us.

My biggest question is does Obama share this worldview that rich whiteys run the world, and that America is racist, and we created HIV to keep blacks down. Does Obama wish that God would damn America?

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moondust

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:12 AM
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15. Obama wasn't born yesterday.

He's been a public figure for many years. There must be a lot of stuff out there since he's been going to that church for 20 years.

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DangerDave921

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:25 AM
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16. Exactly

It is very hard to believe that Obama has known this man for 20 years, and this is the very first Obama has ever heard the pastor use such language. Unless Wright has gone of the deep end recently, of course Obama knew of this man's views. I think such views are much more common in the black community, but it will play very differently in front of white audiences. I knew a very smart black guy in law school who believed that the US government intentionally spread HIV in the black community, and also invented crack to keep blacks down. And he cheered when OJ was found not guilty. There is a cultural difference in assumptions and beliefs.

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moondust

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Mon Mar-17-08 11:38 AM
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17. The point is

if Obama has in any way been deeply influenced by Wright it would have surfaced in his PUBLIC (i.e. not at church) statements and/or actions at some time in the past 20 years--not just during this nasty election campaign. The city of Chicago and state of Illinois would have taken note of him being a "disciple" of so-and-so and probably thrown him overboard long ago. It would have surely made its way into the Chicago newspapers.

I don't think there is any doubt that the Hillary campaign and/or The Establishment including the Mainstream East Coast Media are behind this obvious smear job.

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geek tragedy

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Mon Mar-17-08 12:00 PM
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20. Short answer for a stupid question: No. n/t

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democrattotheend

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Mon Mar-17-08 12:05 PM
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21. Of course he doesn't

If you read Obama's books and listen to his speeches, it is clear how much he loves this country. He loves this country in a way that most of us never could, because his father was an immigrant who was able to escape poverty due to the generousity of the American government. That's what he talked about when I saw him speak (when he received the Kennedy endorsement at AU), and that's what everything else he has said and done conveys. He has no reason to hate this country...he is an American success story and has demonstrated nothing but pride and gratitude toward the United States.

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DangerDave921

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Mon Mar-17-08 12:13 PM
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22. OK But

Why then associate with someone who has such vile beliefs? Why keep donating to his church? Why keep belonging to that church? Why have him baptize your kids?

I don't see all these vile things in Obama, which makes me wonder even more why he would associate with this guy.

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GoldieAZ49

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Mon Mar-17-08 12:34 PM
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23. here ya go, this is quick

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5105554

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moondust

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Mon Mar-17-08 12:45 PM
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24. That is mostly Wright saying things.

Not Obama saying things. And how in the world would the Chicago Tribune know that "the senator does check with his pastor before making any bold political moves." I call bullshit on that.

In other words, those are not concrete examples. You'll have to try harder.

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GoldieAZ49

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Mon Mar-17-08 12:57 PM
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25. No those are Obama's words

You can call BS on it if you want, Obama never called BS on it tho.

So does Obama speak for himself or do you speak for him?

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