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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:50 PM
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Any aquarium owners here?
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 08:33 PM by IDemo
You know how fish that school together can drift along, drift along, and then suddenly dart to another side of the tank? Incredible how they seem to move as one, isn't it? Amazingly, super delegates also move this way.

Or, so to hear some here tell it. Even though Super D's have been drifting, drifting slowly and steadily towards Obama over the past few months, Hillary and many of her supporters are apparently holding on to the hope that given just the right tap on the glass*, they will dart as one back to her camp and hand her the nomination.

The rules of the delegate game say that they are perfectly able to do a 180, if they choose. They can vote for whomever they wish, and do so based upon a coin flip if they want. They are not necessarily beholden to the candidate with the most pledged delegates, states, popular votes, or good looks. But in the real world, smoke filled room phobias are not worth losing sleep over. Like the Super D concept or hate it, these people have not earned their status as a result of disdain for the Democratic Party, voters, or a basic sense of fairness. There will not be a startling overturn of the wishes of the voters in a smoke filled room, unless there is a Hindenberg style collapse by Obama between now and August. They realize that to do so would have tremendously negative impacts on the party, possibly for decades.


* don't tap on your aquarium -- your fish won't enjoy it!

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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:52 PM
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1. Yeah, but don't be fooled...
...even school fish are individuals, and you'd be surprised how often I see one or another wandering off from the group to explore alone.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:06 PM
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6. True enough, but the general movement of the school isn't interrupted
There will invariably be some minor movement both ways. But the Super D's who have already endorsed Obama aren't going to bolt to Clinton's camp without compelling reason to do so.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:53 PM
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2. Yes, I think that realization is definitely there. We've already had a belly-full of
voter nullification as is.

And yes, we have a small aquarium at home. Only one large fish in there. I've marveled at the larger schools of fish and their group behavior. Like flocks of birds.
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 07:54 PM
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3. Actually, at one time, I had 78 aquariums, and maintained 2 dozen..
Edited on Mon Mar-17-08 07:55 PM by KAZ
.. others (I owned a pet store), and your analogy is spot on.

Edit: you = your
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:01 PM
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5. Wow. We had six, and that was about four too many
Did you tell the pizza delivery guy just to follow the loud gurgling sound until he found your house? :-)
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KAZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:07 PM
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7. Nah, it was a store. But I still did lots of pizzas. Oy, 100 hour weeks
for years. My house was the "ware-house", or stock room, if you will. I love retail, but that was too much work.

I still have a completely empty, though beautifully decorated, salt tank in the rec room.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:20 PM
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9. Always wanted a salt tank., but I'm too lazy
They're so beautiful, I could sell the tv and this computer and just stare at the reef for hours.

Well, maybe not the PC..
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:00 PM
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4. The Clintons are spinning it like crazy, but I'm sure
they're praying at night that Faux or someone will do their dirty work for them and slime Obama sufficiently to make him moot. Not that they're incapable of doing it, and I'm sure will try again if need be. I can't wait for this to be over.


The Clinton Campaign is Now a Charade

by BooMan
Mon Mar 17th, 2008 at 06:02:07 PM EST


From the Associated Press:

After a weekend of campaign adversity, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and her husband separately prodded Democratic Party leaders on Monday to look beyond mere delegate strength in picking a presidential nominee at this summer's national convention.

"I don't know that it will be an easy decision, but that's what leaders sign up for," said the former president, declaring that his wife's ability to win a general election should be considered.

The former first lady, who trails rival Sen. Barack Obama in the delegate chase, concurred. "I think it's a question about everything and I think people are going to have to take everything into account," she told reporters.

Made in different settings, the remarks underscore the debate roiling the Democratic Party as the primary season nears an apparently inconclusive end - while Republicans have begun to close ranks around Sen. John McCain for the fall campaign.


This is all par for the course with the Clintons, but there is a nugget in here that is new (I think).

But former President Clinton went one step beyond that when he suggested his wife may wind up trailing among delegates picked by voters.

"If Senator Obama wins the popular vote, then the choice (at the convention) would be easier," he said on ABC's "Good Morning America." "But if Hillary wins the popular vote but can't quite catch up in the delegate vote, then you have to just ask yourself which is more important and who's more likely to win in November."


That looks to me like a concession on Bill Clinton's part that his wife must win the popular vote to have a realistic chance at the convention. That should be enough to seal the deal right now because Clinton is currently behind in the popular vote by an estimated 813,474 votes, and she isn't going to make up the difference. Just as an example, Clinton only picked up about 230,000 popular votes in Ohio, even though she won the state 55%-45%. With Obama heavily favored to win the contests in North Carolina, Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota, there is little likelihood that Clinton can make up a 800,000 popular vote deficit...unless his candidacy collapses.

more...

http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2008/3/17/1827/62351
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-17-08 08:14 PM
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8. They had better add to the kitchen sink: dishwasher, stove, refrigerator
Unfortunately, the Clinton campaign has demonstrated no reluctance to include any and all appliances if needed.
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