I listened to Howard Stern today

He supports Hillary, but before Giuliani dropped out he was going to vote for him, so I consider him a mostly apolitical Independent, certainly not a reflexive Democratic voter. So I think he's a good indication of how the average non-political, non-partisan American reacts.

The apolitical impression of Wright's tapes and Obama's explanation - not good. Howard Stern after playing a compilation of all the greatest hits, said that no way he's buying into Obama's explanation that he knew nothing about Wright's opinions, no way. And he also said he's finished with him.

I'm not saying we won't win with BO at the top of the ticket, but it is going to be very difficult. In fact, I think this kills the dream ticket in any combination, because now, although it would unite the Dems, it would lose everyone else.

before he was for hilary..he has bad taste and I wouldn't trust his judgement.

We all are on DU for a reason, we agree with the values the party represents (at least in theory it represents).

I could never change parties because it's totally against my beliefs in almost every area. Howard, on the other hand, switches parties at random, going solely by how he perceives the candidate's personality.

how believable is that Obama knew Rev. Wright for 20 years and had no idea what his views are?
And that Obama managed to miss all the sermons were these controversial things were said?

72% said a speech won't help and he has committed political suicide

If that's the case and this is being applauded, I don't want to hear anymore cries of sexism around here.

From one feminist to another.

That is disgusting, his show is disgusting.

so shoot me. Or try to listen a bit and you may be surprised.

Despite HRC's relative success at coopting the feminist movement for her political ambition, some of us are not fooled.

and the War in Iraq. Cause for thought, no?

She usually does, anyway.

But after listening to that tape (I had read the words but if you listen he sounds totally demented), and hearing Howard make the argument that there's no way somebody could be friends with somebody 20 years, appoint him to his election committee, call him a mentor, name his book after a sermon without knowing what his opinions were. Howard likened it staying in a KKK church, The whole room agreed with him, including Artie and Fred.

To the agreement of persecuted white male Sirius listeners across the land. :eyes:

Hillary Clinton is the senator of the great state of New York and I can understand the support she is receiving from New Yorkers. But the rest of the country does not feel the same way and if we, the Democratic party, want to win this election, we need to go after each and every vote we can. Obama will win NY and California in the general election - that's a big Duh! But Obama can also win other states that Clinton cannot. Al Gore would have been our president if he won Tennessee. He employed the Clinton campaign strategy and pursued only the "big states" and we lost. Clinton's primary strategy of pursuing big states and belittling the other states has caused her to lose in delegates to such an extent that she will never catch up. Obama will win and he has the right strategy.

And unfortunately, I also underestimated the extent of racism in this country.

I'm here to tell you her support ain't as solid here as you'd think.

- as

Does it bother New Yorkers that Sen. Clinton isn't from New York? I'm a Texan and I didn't like Bush acting like he had a western drawl, etc. when he is really from the northeast and he put on his accent to appeal to Texans. Is Clinton like that to New Yorkers?

He does not represent independents anymore then I do.

I have heard he was popular but I don't know who they are.

(I'm 25)

about O bama?

stern was for bush before the war on Iraq and then he turned against him..so :wtf: kinda logic is this?

Though why anyone would take Fartman's word on anything other than breast fetishes is beyond me. :shrug:

I wonder what Imus and his buddy Bernard have to say? That would be equally enlightening.

to find someone who agrees with your vapid love of Hillary. So pathetic, most would catch a clue.

I don't listen to any of them. I don't care if they support my views on one issue, I take them as a whole and I don't like them.

You have the wrong impression of his show. Yes it's crass and probably sexist, but a lot of tolerance is taught there as well, and he's been consistently anti-Bush for years.

Besides, he's very funny.

owe hilary a "thank you".

You know, the one that has been a nurse 25 years, been abused by rude patients all there lives and has turned bitter themselves. Kind of like Nurse Ratchet from "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest".

I'm not using Stern as anything except an example of how this will be viewed by the general public.

For the past 5 years at least, he has been consistently anti-Bush, so it's unfair to compare him to Hannity, to whom I never listen. Besides, he speaks out against racism, homophobia and other ills all the time. I listen, you probably don't.

Honnity and Rush represent the angry white male. Howard represents another segment.

I give not a flying fuck about any opinion he might hold on any subject.

I disagree with your judgment, but I don't really care if you dislike Howard. I have found him to be anti-racist myself, and not a misogynist.

Anyway, I outed myself as totally low-brow, but I have a long commute, and by switching between Howard and Sirius Left I get through it.

I shudder to think what it would take for you to identify one.

As for the "segment" he represents, I agree that he has a large audience. However, his support of John Kerry back in '04 didn't propel his listeners to the polls in large enough numbers. So I'm not too concerned that he doesn't support Obama.

Who can only express his inner muse by humiliating women. Whatever. Hillary loses a thousand points with me for not repudiating his support.

What was I thinking? A bunch of men spewing a constant litany woman-bashing, mostly for how they look, isn't misogynist at all. :sarcasm:

He seemed like he had come over to the progressive side back in 2004. If he really cares about not having a RW Supreme Court (which he used to say he cared about), then he would be crazy not to support the Democratic nominee, whoever it is.

He went Democratic because the FCC under Bush was going after his show.

I suppose there are people who listen to him that would agree with his assessment. Interestingly enough I knew one woman who watched his show when it was on television. She was very religious. Dead set against abortion. Always struck me as weird.