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Greenwood Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:06 AM
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Obama, while a great speaker, did not help himself.....
Facts are facts. This controversy continues.
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:07 AM
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1. Bullshit, but nice try.
:eyes:

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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:09 AM
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7. Who ya gonna believe? Greenwood or you own lying eyes?
:eyes:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:08 AM
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2. In your dreams. Yours and Pat Buchanan's. nt
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ampad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:08 AM
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3. Where are your facts?
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Greenwood Donating Member (240 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:09 AM
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9. I guess I am just not shallow enough to let words overwhelm me....
Great speakers come a dime a dozen. Great leaders who ACT are rare.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:13 AM
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19.  Great leaders get people to follow them. Hence, "leadership." Who is the last great
leader, in your mind?
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hell-bent Donating Member (593 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:18 AM
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32. You mean like the Pied Piper?
Do you guys live in Hamelin? :>)
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:20 AM
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36. I didn't know Pied, personally, nor ever followed him. You???
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:13 AM
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20. So, give us some examples of great leaders who ACT.....
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:14 AM
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22. actually, great speakers aren't a dime a dozen. they're rare.
And most great or good presidents were also great speakers. Do try and do somethihng about your pathetic ignorance.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:16 AM
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27. ACT as in protect BushInc when CIA drugrunning report shows tons of cheap IranContra cocaine
were dumped into black communities all over America DELIBERATELY, triggering the crack epidemic of the 80s and early 90s?

THAT is the type of leadership you prefer from a Democrat, eh? Protect the secrecy and privilege of BushInc and his powerful cronies, while deep-sixing or ignoring any report that revealed the monstrous actions BushInc has been involved in for decades - is that your priority?
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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:30 AM
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41. I just looked back through your older posts--you don't support Hillary--you support McCain!
I love how you defended Cindy McCain here:

8. She made a bad mistake...
Very proud of America. Not perfect.

But, without America the world would be plunged into COMPLETE CHAOS. American is the ONLY thing that keeps some sense of sanity in the world.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4678230#4678494
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:36 PM
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45. if you have any racist relatives, i suppose you're dumping them
now to live up to your own high standards. Let's include every racist friend we have. And, if your priest/minister/rabbi ever spews, you will dump them too. The endless cycle to perfection is a lonely road. have
fun on your trip.
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Nedsdag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:26 PM
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46. When was the last time Hillary LED on anything?
::crickets::
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:21 AM
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38. The facts are he showed nothing of what he talked about today for 20 years
Only when fighting for his political life did he start saying these things.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:08 AM
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4. Ok. I'm convinced.
:eyes:
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:08 AM
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5. Yeah Rush whatever...
n/t
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:09 AM
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6. Yeah Rush whatever...
n/t
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:09 AM
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8. pat? is that you? ignored bye.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:09 AM
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10. What facts would those be?
If you're going to make this snide, petty comments, you should at least back yourself up, instead of speaking like god on high.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:10 AM
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11. The speech was probably too lofty for you, Greenwood.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:10 AM
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12. The speech was probably too lofty for you, Greenwood.
End of message.
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:10 AM
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13. The speech was probably too lofty for you, Greenwood.
End of message.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:10 AM
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14. At least you certainly hope so.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:11 AM
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15. Thanks for stopping by, Rush
:puke:

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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:12 AM
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16. how do you know? Oh, that's right. You don't
You're fucking clueless. It remains to be seen whether this speech helped him. It sure didn't hurt him. Tough shit for YOU.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:13 AM
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17. Whether it helped him or not, is not the point, HE CONFRONTED IT DIRECTLY
You may not like his answer, but it is right on, and it focuses on the problems of this country very honestly

If people can't handle the truth, so be it.

If the country wants to hear triangulation discourse, then they will get exactly what they deserve



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DadOf2LittleAngels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:13 AM
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18. One line in there really will help him...
When he says he disagreed with his pastor but who has not?
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:13 AM
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21. It will be out of the news as soon as the next major news story comes along
The next hurricane, or school shooting, or celebrity death. Harsh facts, but this story has been kept alive because of a series of slow news days.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:14 AM
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23. So he can through his grandmother under the bus too? You'll ignore this question
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:14 AM
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24. You desperately wish!
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:15 AM
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25. The controversy continues, but on different grounds. He did a great job, Facts are Facts
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:15 AM
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26. true hardcore racists cannot be helped
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:17 AM
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28. Okay
Eventually reality is going to catch up with you. I hope you have a good support system when it happens.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:17 AM
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29. The controversy over race continues - yes it does
Duh.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:17 AM
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30. Propelled by willing Volunteers like you
catapult the propaganda, yay racist filth!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:18 AM
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31. Apparently you have a comprehension problem. Try this, OK?



Good luck with your remedial classes ~~ hope they help!
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ClarkBayh 2008 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:18 AM
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33. So did he renounce this Wright or not?
If he didn't, all the speeches in the world probably won't help on November 4th.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:19 AM
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34. *plonk*
you didn't even try to back up your baseless assertion.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:19 AM
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35. ROFLMAO
It was a speech the likes of which I have not heard since 1968.

There is now no controversy. I hope there is a new controversy for Barak to handle soon.

He hurt HRC and McCain brutally without ever mentioning them by name.

Why? Because they are more of the same.

The paradigm is falling apart all around us. Why do we want more of what is falling down as we speak?

I heard a lot more deep populist/progressive rhetoric in that speech than previously.

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elixir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:21 AM
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37. k
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:22 AM
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39. Yes please, continue playing the racism card
It helps your candidate so much.
:sarcasm:
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:25 AM
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40. Aaah, the old "Nothing But The Best For The Oppressed" syndrome.
Methinks you've got it.

:evilfrown:
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:30 AM
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42. Obama should have used this speech
in the BEGINNING of his campaign. Instead he talked about the ONE United States of America. Now he is talking about the very real divide in America. Sharing the hostility in America. I will give him credit for finally admitting that he has indeed heard the incendiary sermons of Pastor Wright. I will not forgive him for flat out denying it on all the networks. His untruthfulness is hard to take. He is a great orator, he can definitely give a speech, but I see him as a typical politician. Willing to say and do anything to get elected. He got involved with Rezko to better himself in Chicago politics, and he formed a deep relationship with a man that hates America. And after hearing his beautiful speech today, it's quite unbelievable that he has allowed the Clinton's to be accused of using the race card. That he supported that bullshit tirade from KO against Hillary. What a joke. I wish with all my heart I could believe in Barack Obama. He is just a man. If he is elected, he will greatly disappoint many.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:32 AM
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43. the only false notes were when he went too far in agreeing with righty critics
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:37 AM
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44. Who paid you to post that, Greenwood?
Your post is ridiculous.
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