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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:08 AM
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So, folks needed Barack Obama to explain issues of race to them? Is what he said new?
I don't think so. I've heard (and said) most all of what he expressed today in his speech. He's a year younger than me. Many of the important struggles he spoke of were capping off and settling when we were children - the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Act, desegregation, equal opportunity.

I saw his speech as a political address which was opportunistic for his campaign, notwithstanding whatever effect his association with Rev. Wright many have on how it's received. I think whatever potential the speech may as a 'historic' address or some significant impetus to any shift in race relations or some better understanding of these issues in America is going to be subject to the political opportunism which is being exercised by all of the campaigns in this election.

It was a reasonable defense of his pastor, but, I don't know what the impact will be on those folks who haven't already realized the very basic understandings Obama expressed in his speech.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:14 AM
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1. He didn't only address race. He addressed divisiveness and how it's killing us.
We've been falling prey to the politics of 'divide and conquer' for ages. He's addressing that.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:26 AM
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6. That was good for him. It needs the elevation.
But, in the context of a political campaign which, by its very nature, is fostering 'divisions', the speech seemed a wash.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:14 AM
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2. Welcome back!
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:16 AM
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3. The biggies in the race problem were
legislatively settled, but what you don't see, is what he brought out..there was a lot of resentment left in the populace that is still there. Those issues DO need addressed and one way to address them is to address the problems that are hitting everyone. Job losses, wall street stealing out futures again with bail outs for bad decisions, no health care, bad schools, and Iraq war that's eating up all the funds that need to be used elsewhere in THIS county. Between the wall street fat cats and the Iraq war, we are majorly screwed.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:17 AM
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4. If your assertion that the "very basic understandings" expressed in his speech have
been realized, then why did he need to make them?

What made his speech opportunistic for his campaign?




















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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:23 AM
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5. I don't think he would have made it if his poll numbers weren't declining
or, if there wasn't some overriding concern about the prospects of his campaign withstanding criticism over his associations with this pastor.

But, really. Politics? Opportunism? In a presidential campaign? Oh, my!
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:43 AM
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This speech took courage. He could have given another one that would have
appeased the voter who would never vote for Obama ever. This speech may reinforce their reason,

I think Obama knows exactly why this speech will not resonate with everyone.


If he wanted to boost his polls, he would have given another speech.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:27 AM
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7. meh
I find your post uninspiring and unconvincing.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:29 AM
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8. I agree - the MSNBC and DU rave reviews were expected - but we'll have to wait for polls to find
out if the media swung this one his way,

I thought half the speech was Hillary did it, the other half I inherited the problem and can make it better.

The Hillary did it was funny when he pulled the IWR vote into a speech on Wright and his relationship and race - "political opportunism" is a kind phrase to use.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:29 AM
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9. what politician has ever spoken the truth on race to the nation in a comparable way?
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 11:29 AM by Johnny__Motown
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:33 AM
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11. Jesse Jackson, Bill Clinton, Lyndon Johnson, Bobby Kennedy...
There were politcians before Obama, you know...
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:36 AM
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13. HA, Bill Clinton never gave any speech that compared to this one, much less one on race
Jesse never gave one this good. LBJ and Bobby I am a bit young to remember well but I still doubt if any white politician ever annunciated the perspective we heard today.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:00 PM
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24. Jesse's 2 convention speeches were both better
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jessejackson1988dnc.htm this one where he says at the end that he understands is very powerful

also this one was much more powerful- http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/jessejackson1984dnc.htm
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:09 PM
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26. Psst......
http://clinton1.nara.gov/White_House/EOP/OP/html/ut.html

Hate is a terrible thing, but I can understand that it's easier than actually Thinking.
:hi:
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:30 AM
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10. Yet here we are in the 21st Century and we still have parts of the country......
where certain parties (I won't mention who, but their name rhymes with rethugican) attempt to keep people of color from voting.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:34 AM
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12. You are wrong, bigtree.
This speech answered my questions about Obama, all of them. I felt as though he had read my DU posts and spoke to each issue I raised. I think that is probably true for a lot of people, although many people did not ask the questions as clearly as I did.

At this time, we need a president who does not flinch in the face of huge problems. Obama showed with this speech that he can face any problem, large or small and keep his balance and intelligent, but compassionate perspective. That is what we need. I am and Edwards supporter, and I heard some Edwards influence in Obama's words about the corporations, job outsourcing, etc. That is very reassuring because I have feared that Obama did not really understand just how great the barriers to working with Republicans are.

Obama showed far more grace and understanding and above all far more love than Hillary, great as she is, will ever know. This speech proved to me that Obama would make a great president. I would still prefer Edwards, but between Hillary and Obama, Obama will be far better for our country.

The kinds of insights that Obama expressed in this speech ring true. They arise from his personal experience and they show what a loving, kind man he is. Oh, what a relief it would be, after Bush to have a kind, loving president, male, female, black, white, Hispanic. Race does not matter. It is the lovingness and the kindness that we need to heal our country after the Reagan-Bush fiasco of the last 27 years.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:38 AM
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15. fair enough, that he answered your questions about him
I do think the speech will go a long way to filling gaps in his character with those who advantage themselves of his remarks. That may be the most redeeming aspect of the speech - the extent to which it served to define Obama and help fill in his blank slate that most Americans see at this point.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:23 PM
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34. Because I know someone who went through a similar
process of dealing with parents of two very opposing, even warring cultures or groups, I know that Obama is describing things he learned from his own experience reconciling those two cultures or groups. Someone told this person that in such a situation, you strongly identify with the identity of the minority culture. As with the person I know, Obama appears to have grown beyond that initial identification.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:37 AM
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14. It was anything but a politically opportunistic speech
Have you really heard what he said stated as clearly and honestly in the political process?

All of us complain about how dumb and shallow and pandering political campaigns have become.

Obama's speech raised the level by many notches.

The people who are too dumb or too bigoted to understand what he said won't likely vote for either Democrat anyway. Fuck 'em. As Obama said, I have more faith in this country than that.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:43 AM
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17. well, I don't think it occurred in a vacuum
The center motivation behind giving the speech right now was to rescue Obama's political ass. He's got something to build on to help define himself to those whose first impressions of him were clouded by the controversy.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:55 AM
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23. There was no other reason to give it in this space/time. Ironic--he created the
divisiveness--now he tries to cure it by a speech.


We will see if there is any action behind his words
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:12 PM
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27. Wish I could rec this response. Dead on. n/t
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:39 AM
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16. if that was a speech you will rail against, onto ignore list for you.. with the other bigots
bye
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:43 AM
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18. "a reasonable defense of his pastor"...Really?
Yes, he does make defensive remarks but I thought it was a pretty even handed critique

I have already condemned, in unequivocal terms, the statements of Reverend Wright that have caused such controversy...

Reverend Jeremiah Wright, use incendiary language to express views that have the potential not only to widen the racial divide, but views that denigrate both the greatness and the goodness of our nation; that rightly offend white and black alike...

As such, Reverend Wright's comments were not only wrong but divisive, divisive at a time when we need unity...

Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not...




And sadly, I think these words do need to be spoken again. Not to make an impact on those folks that already understand it, but to counter the attacks by RWing and those still living in the 50's.





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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:48 AM
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20. right, same as you expressed. a reasonable defense, along with his critique.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:46 AM
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19. who was the only person that would benefit by dems fighting
dems? Obama...who would benefit by giving a speech about race after causing dems to fight dems? obama Who used race in this campaign thus far for their own beneift? Obama

Folks this speech was to coverup that obama lied....he lied about something he should not have and that was simply saying, he had attended services when pastor racist wright spoke this type of message.....so obama lied and what now? he is forgiven because he tells us their is still a race problem in america.....no shit sherlock, and it is this reprobate that in this instance caused it all......

I think the man should bow out of this race because he lied.....and with this lie he should not be(L-rd, I hope not, the nominee)
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:53 AM
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22. tough shit for you and your ilk
You've made so many divisive and disgusting comments about race that it's clear what YOU are. Obama is almost certainly the nominee. He won't be dropping out. Not even a chance. Get used to it.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:30 PM
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29. wahhhhhh wahhhh wahhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this'll make you feel better
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:33 PM
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30. It was pure Irony--the person who brought about pure divisisive now attempting
a 'cure' with a speech.

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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:32 PM
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35. You sicken me, off with you....n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 11:51 AM
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21. Just this morning I had to explain resegregation to someone.
To my mind, it's the best imformative speech on this topic I've heard a politican give.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:02 PM
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25. well, it may help some understand motivations behind some of the expressions from his pastor
. . . and the motivations of those who agree with the statements which have generated controversy.

And, it may have served to present his own character on his own terms, apart from those controversial statements.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:24 PM
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28. Well, it beats answering questions at a Press Conference
:eyes:

But... he did have a Press Conference to announce that he would be giving a Speech. :P

I sure hope this isn't an indication of that whole Transparency in Government thing I keep hearing about, and I agree, this Speech was "Preaching to the Choir". I seriously doubt it will change the 'negative' opinion of Rev. Wright that quite a few Americans have.


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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:34 PM
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31. Depends on where one gets their information.
With rightwing TV and radio, old wounds are actively trying to be reopened by them. And he gave both perspectives (AA and white) which hasn't been done to my knowledge.
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F.Gordon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:41 PM
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32. See post #26
Again with the Rightwing influence reference. :eyes: Please... you do realize that comments like this inspire many Clinton supporters to refer to the Obama "movement" as a cult?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:49 PM
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36. I wasn't referring to Clinton supporters.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 12:42 PM
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33. It's the way that it's been done in the context of this campaign which made it seem a wash
I wonder if those folks were listening to educate themselves on race? Or, were they just listening to his defense (and critique) of his pastor for some indication of where he stands and to make some judgment about him and his candidacy? I think a lot of his speech might be lost in the context of the controversy which prompted it. And, the campaign doesn't help.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:52 PM
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38. I don't see it hurting.
Reasonable people can see the general tone and realities of the speech. Those looking for something to advance their views will pick and choose. A wash as you say with the rightwing but with moderates and democrats, probably helped clear some air.
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:50 PM
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37. yes, it is....."this time".....
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