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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:28 PM
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Obama Proves Himself Through Trial By Fire
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 01:41 PM by berni_mccoy
Obama masterfully handled this, let's call it what it is, crisis. That's right. This was Obama's 3 am call. He answered. He had the wisdom and judgement to handle it. And he did so on his own.

Clinton would never have been able to handle this. She would have consulted her advisors, who would have taken some push-polls and figure out that the best course of action would be to ignore the reality of the situation, defend her friend and go quiet, waiting for this crisis to end. It sounds familiar. It sounds exactly how Bush has been operating. He did this for Rumsfeld. He did this for Scooter. He did this for 'Heckuva Job'. And Clinton even did this for Ferraro. She will follow the same political path that we have been on for decades now.

What Americans need is honesty and the truth. They need to hear the reality and not be told to go shopping. Obama has proven that he can give Americans just that. He can be honest and successful. He can deliver on the message of Hope and Unity. He can deliver on the stance of Change.

Clinton and McCain will give us more of the same. Same politics. Same Washington. Same America. Obama has proven, through a trial by fire, that he is ready to lead us in the journey to a new age and a new America. He has proven his worthiness to take the reigns of the highest office to guide us to a restoration of justice, equality, and freedom. And, America is ready. America heard Obama loud and clear today. Did you?

On Edit: Changed title to a more unifying message, in the spirit of Obama's speech.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:29 PM
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1. Obama is in another class of public service than Hillary or McCain IMHO, he's a leader not a manager
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:40 PM
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10. Seems so.
:kick: He comes through Our Party but he speaks for all of us. He just needs a strong democratic support infrastructure. He could use Hillary's help.

Think she would ever give her dream up for a bigger purpose? Our Democracy.

She could earn the respect of those who don't trust her motives.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:02 PM
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26. An historic figure, the likes of which we have not seen in a very long time.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:51 PM
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65. well said.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:32 PM
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2. Be gracious in victory. Barack would be.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:34 PM
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3. Understood. I updated the title pre-emptively. Thank you.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:34 PM
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4. Very happy to k&r - well said!!!
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:35 PM
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5. Barack proved he is no different than any other lying poltico. Sorry.
That was the take of most Dems I talked to but believe whatever you want.You will anyway.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:37 PM
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7. He's a politician no doubt but one that has measured quality above his peers IMHO. I don't expect...
...him to be perfect nor do I expect the people around him to be perfect just competent and a leader.

perfection not required.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:39 PM
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9. His reaction today was completely radical compared to those of recent politicians
Including Edwards when he second chaired Kerry while Kerry was getting swiftboated.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:42 PM
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12. Don't you mean rational?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:44 PM
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15. No, I mean radical. Obama is a politician that is radically different
He will bring change.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:48 PM
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16. Yeah, as long as the majority of Americans will vote for him
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 01:48 PM by saracat
and many, including me won't. He doesn't represent the kind of "change" I want.But then actually none of them do, but he is the worst of the lot IMHO.I am writing in Edwards if Obama is the nom.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:54 PM
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20. Wow. I hope you change your mind before the General Election.
And certainly after the primary or you will likely be tombstoned for that kind of talk.

Question: What if Edwards ends up endorsing Obama? I know it's not likely, but what if he does?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:00 PM
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23. He would be making his choice and I would be making mine.
A Why are you bringing up being TSed NOW? Am I not allowed to make a choice? When we have a presumpive nominee all posts detrimntal to the nominee cease but critical speech is still allowed. If I do not like the nominees speech I can say so.I can vote as I please but just not post about it on DU. My vote is mine to cast as I please.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:03 PM
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28. you're constantly attempting to speak for others
and frankly, I'm sure you will write in Edwards. Hard to imagine any supporter of any candidate more blindly adoring and cultish than you were about St Johny.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:21 PM
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40. Who am I speaking for? I don't claim to be "speaking " for anyone.
It is my opinion, that many Americans will not like this. Whatever cali.If I was a "blind idolator like some Obamites, I would have agreed that an Edwards endorsement of Obama could sway my opinion, and it would not.And unlike the Obama supporters, I do not feel any candidates are "perfect".
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:35 PM
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53. Sounds like you're voting for McCain.


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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:50 PM
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63. So you're "writing in Edwards"
which is essentially the same thing as voting for mccain.
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The Wielding Truth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:58 PM
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22. Cool. But is it radical to be democratic and respectful of all?
I think it is the Democratic Way.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:20 PM
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39. In this day and age, yeah, it's a radical concept. The politics of division have been the norm
for far too long.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:49 PM
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17. I think you just proved how bitter you are.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:03 PM
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29. " Bitter"? No, I am proving the complete lack of respect I have for Barack. .
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 02:03 PM by saracat
I wouldn't respect a whilte politician who stood by a Klu Klux preacher and I do not respect Barack standing by a racist preacher and calling for "unity". Flame away.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:04 PM
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30. You stood by Ferraro.
So I can't really take you seriously, and I don't think many other people do either.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:07 PM
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31. Farraro wasn't racist as a matter of fact there are quots by Obama himself saying
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 02:07 PM by saracat
of race" but those don't count I suppose?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:07 PM
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32. Thanks for demonstrating my point.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:10 PM
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35. So if a white minister said racist things about blacks you would be okay with it?
Would you be defending the "social gospel" then? No wonder Barack defends McCurkin. Anti Gay must be the "social gospel " as well.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:11 PM
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36. Apparently you would, Sara.
Like you just demonstrated, you're still standing by Ferraro.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:50 PM
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42.  I would NOT and that was my point. Believe as you wish . ALL racism is wrong and it is a sword that
cuts two ways.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:32 PM
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52. And BTW how is this different than what Farrao said?
From the NYT,12/24/06:

"Mr. Obama has pointedly acknowledged that he benefits from his race, noting last year that a new white senator from Illinois would hardly have stirred comparable interest or intrigue."
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:40 PM
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62. What are you afraid of saracat? What is it about Obama's speech that has caused you to do this?
You've spent so much time and energy responding to people here, fervently saying you aren't going to support the Democratic nominee. Why?
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:51 PM
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64. you still don't understand the definition of racsim, I see.
it is not possible for black people to be racist against whites in the same way, in the same history.
you'll have to come up with another tterm for it, cuz you and your likes are dead wrong using that word in this circumstance.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:00 PM
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24. take a look at the media coverage
he's getting huge props for this speech, and virtually the only ones who don't appreciate it are wingnuts and you hillbots. Believe what you want, you will anyway, but Obama clearly made big strides toward containing any damage from the wright thing. too bad for you.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:03 PM
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27. True... I think the only thing he has going for him is charm...
And the fact he is a very good public speaker.

Other than that, these two are looking more and more alike to me.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:53 PM
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43. You're full of hot air.
Edited on Tue Mar-18-08 02:57 PM by Major Hogwash
"Most Dems I talked to"

Go float a balloon with all that hot air.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:36 PM
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6. I said to the wife if he comes out of this one he DESERVES the nomination
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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:39 PM
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8. wonderful title change.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:41 PM
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11. Hillary Clinton is 100% a political creature, for better or worse--she is
made up of plastic and assembled moving parts, as far as I'm concerned. She's smart, but has never demonstrated brilliance. She is not evil, but I don't think of her as a very admirable person--I don't see a soul there, I don't see true patriotism there, I don't see honor or integrity, and I don't trust her. She might be a picture of perfectly engineered political craftsmanship, with carefully thought-out policy and persona and strategy and every "gimme" box checked for the voters, but that's not what I want in a President. I want a leader--imperfect and human--who can inspire this country to move forward and confront its problems--that's Obama, no doubt about it.
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tulsakatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:16 PM
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38. Hillary, to me, is kind of like........
...Lieberman. Both would do anything to win, regardless of what happens to their party or their country. Their primary motivation is to win and they will do anything that accomplishes that goal......
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:44 PM
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13. He wasn't first on my list but has grown and matured as a candidate
to where he is showing more leadership than
than my other choices on what this nation needs
for these hard times.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:44 PM
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14. She would have relied heavily on surrogates, especially Bill
To my knowledge, NO ONE but Obama has tried to defend him on this issue -- he went on
TV on Friday night himself and then gave the speech today. There were surrogates out
on the Sunday shows, but they weren't dealing specifically with the Wright situation;
that he handled himself (and masterfully).
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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:49 PM
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18. No need to bring Hillary into this. The speech is transfortmative on its own merits...
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:55 PM
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21. In order to show how Obama is radically different from the same old politics
You really need to see how those other politicians would have handled it. And there are clear examples of how they would in their records.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:10 PM
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34. HA---more of same ol politics. Bow down all. its your day
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 03:48 PM
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44. Bow down all? WTF?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:14 PM
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45. come on. you can figure that out.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:28 PM
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50. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not wearing my Hillary-colored glasses.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 01:51 PM
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19. Totally agreed
My father, who is black and 80 years old, e-mailed us saying he was in tears that someone finally spoke to the issues that he has had to live through all his life.

If people didn't hear anything real and of import in that speech, it's because they turned a deliberate, deaf ear to it. That's their loss and we have to move beyond them to START making a move toward real change.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:01 PM
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25. I said last night that this was his crucible. His response would determine if he would be president.
...and he not only survived, but flourished. GObama!
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:08 PM
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33. The 3 am call was a result
of the shit storm created by Obama's Pastor. He did not handle the storm with truth until he had to. He went on all the networks and denied to our face that he had any knowledge of the Pastors incendiary sermons. He admitted in his speech today that "yes" he did hear them. Truth only came when it was forced through falling polls. If his wisdom and judgment were as good as you say, the problems he's incurred with Rezko and Wright would not be in the picture. Obama is a politician through and through. It's obvious race has been an issue from the start of his campaign, and yet he has sat back quietly and allowed others to accuse the Clinton's of playing the race card. He knows that is not true, and his speech proves that.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:24 PM
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46. You really exist in a completely different universe, don't you?
Do objects fall up if they aren't secured to something in your universe? I'm really curious now.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:17 AM
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72. 12 million plus people live
in that world with me.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:15 PM
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37. He set the fire
He had the wisdom and judgement to set himself up for the crisis, not something we need in a President

how well he addressed his alliance with Wright by going back to the history of slavery and race relations in this country will be seen in the voting booth
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 02:41 PM
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41. Wow. That is some of the best tinfoil hat writings I've seen in a long time.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:40 PM
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54. ...


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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:07 PM
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59. LOL!
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:07 PM
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60. LOL!
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:40 PM
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47. berni_mccoy, well said.
And that's what I love about this cat.

Progressives will be coming out of all types of closets.

Look for even MORE unregistered 20-year-olds to get on board.

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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 04:57 PM
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48. yes...'what Americans need is honesty & the truth'
Obama took this latest swiftboat challenge as an opportunity to speak directly to the race issue that divides America. He didn't shrink from it and he didn't throw the pastor under the bus, just stated where he differs from the pastor's thinking. That IS radically different from what we've come to expect.

This is how the message of unity means something, where it really counts.

:applause: Obama :applause:
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:24 PM
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49. Obama: A true LEADER YESSSSSSSSSSSSS nt
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:32 PM
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51. Perfect way to put it!


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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:43 PM
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55. This was a powerful speech.
I can't wait to hear McCain attempt to discuss the racial situation in this country. He can't touch this.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:49 PM
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56. Agree. And I'm excited that we have a chance to change things. Isn't that why
we're all here at DU? Isn't it clear enough that we have to change not only the policies of the last 7 years but the political tactics? We have:

Divisiveness, polarization, misinformation, fear, deception, triangulation, smearing, secrecy, arrogance, top-down decision-making and economics, and concentration of power/wealth....on the one hand

and what we need more of is

Honesty, transparency, integrity, information, hope, unity, trust, democracy, preservation of rights, equitable participation, respect, leadership, opportunity, and a functioning middle class
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 05:49 PM
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57. what a difference 96hrs makes
going from a crisis to bulletproof
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 06:01 PM
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58. K&R
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:39 PM
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61. K/R
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:53 PM
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66. the question is, will the american people be willing to listen and vote for obama?
I think they will if they're exposed to his speech today, his speech tomorrow on Iraq, and the day after on the economy. It requires all of us supporters to send out Youtube videos and links to his policy speeches.
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faithfulcitizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 07:54 PM
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67. "Great crisis produce great men and great deeds of courage." John F. Kennedy
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:33 PM
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68. Awesome and appropriate quote.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:40 PM
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69. Its fun to watch these events day by day and realize that we are watching
one huge step in history - the announcement - Iowa - South Carolina - the Speech


Coming Soon

Final Victories

The Convention

A Massive Campaign - Millions involved

The Debates

A Historic Election

and finally

Obama's First Innaugural Address.

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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-18-08 08:44 PM
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70. *smile*
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 12:19 AM
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71. K&R. We need more politicians to be real with us. We can handle it. n/t
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