Does anyone think "The Speech"

will affect the average working dem? Do you think it will sway some Joe Sixpack voters to reconsider?

It needs to affect the media narrative. Joe Six pack will listen to what is said about the speech.

it's too hard to sit down and actually listen to it!:sarcasm:

But I've read posts by Freepers who think that this whole things supports the idea that he's a Muslim. I won't bother trying to rehash their "logic," I just thought I'd point out that this still hasn't killed that rumor.

I hope it does put that muslim meme to rest.

because nobody ever REALLY believed he was muslim. The lie is that he's "sorta muslim" because of his father, his time abroad, etc.

It won't be as black and white as "OMG! He's a MUSLIM!". It'll be more subtle - planting questions and concerns.

undecideds who after the debate one fence sitter gave that as the reason he was wary of Obama.

No quoteable quotes. No one liners. Nothing concrete to grab from the speech to discuss at work or with your family.

I really did think he was flat today and they had him staged wrong. He actually looked small in front of flags that were too tall.

Quotable one-liners is what the campaign advisers to candidates cook up over pizza and send them on stage with--hoping that the media will go with their soundbite.

This issue was too important to relegate to politics as usual. And it is too complex to reduce to a few soundbites. Maybe it won't be effective ... but it was admirable. It was honest. If he loses because of the race issue, then so be it. At least he didn't compromise himself with pandering one-liners. He will have made his mark on modern political rhetoric no matter what happens electorally.

Anyway, Obama already has his quotable "I have a dream" quote: "Yes we can."

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"These people are a part of me. And they are a part of America, this country that I love. "

"This time we want to reject the cynicism that tells us that these kids can't learn; that those kids who don't look like us are somebody else's problem. The children of America are not those kids, they are our kids."

You have no sense of perspective or rationality at all anymore. :shrug:

it was the melrose place girl! LOL

to talk about it around the watercooler

some'll spread the same shit. others will be inspired.

most folks will get third-hand opinions on him, and judge from there.

So if the speech inspired you like it did me, be sure to share it with others.

views and more or less said like it or lump it. Not a reconciliatory speech.

Nor with a lobbyist, like McCain.

She doesn't apologize, just says the war has been conducted wrong. She has no problem with the war, she's just upset that she isn't running it.

The typical voter is not paying attention to Obama's speech. They won't listen to it in its entirety, or read the whole thing. They basically will go by what the news tells them about the speech. If the news is positive, then yes, it will work. If the news talks it up as Obama not doing what he needed to do, then no, it will hurt. This is a perception game and it's up to the media and their view of this speech.

Our nation's future is decided by a dozen or so political hacks and thier opinion influencing a large segment of the population.:banghead:

It's a page out of John Edwards's playbook ... the most successful page, IMHO.

It hits the right chords--let's stop being distracted by the things that don't matter and instead focus on the kitchen table issues that do matter.

...Americans are ready to reach our true potential as individuals and as a country - "The Speech" will be heard in a profound way by people of every age, color and socio-economic group.

I love your PA reports! :toast:

After such a dark time in our history, I'm feeling so inspired by this campaign ~ by Barack of course, but also by people of all ages and persuasions who have joined together to build something bigger than all of us.

Cheers to you too! :toast:

because if this is the same Joe Sixpack that is worried about reverse discrimination, he will be more likely to set aside any concerns (prejudices) he has had.

I think he spoke directly to and about them, and acknowledged that have a justification to being frustrated. He talked about misgivings they have which Hillary will never discuss, so that might reach them. On the other hand, if they don't want to consider things from both sides even a tiny bit, then the other parts of the speech might dominate things in their mind.

I think it really depends on what the media coverage is like. It'll take a week or two to have any idea how this plays out, because you have to wait for Newsweek and Time to come out with articles on the speech and other media discussing it. However, if we see a bump in polls (that last more than a day) regarding Obama earlier, I'd imagine that improvement would stick. I still believe it will be a week or two to really know, however.

Today, Obama told everyone's story. Black and white, and told of there frustration, and where it comes from. Everybody can relate to their own story.

More importantly, Obama outlines a way forward, a way to move beyond where we have been mired for years.

It was a great speech.

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the white working class, he undermined that message by pandering to advocates of illegal immigration. He was correct that outsourcing is the result of corporate greed; he was wrong when he said that blue collar workers shouldn't worry about illegal immigration because those jobs are being outsourced by corporations. Wrong. Construction, roofing, tiling, landscaping, cement work, tree trimming, plumbing and electrical work; these are never going to be outsourced. However, the U.S. citizens who have, until recently, done these jobs in most of the country (a surprise to those of you in the Southwest and California) are being replaced by cheaper, easily exploited, workers.

So, it sounded like he understood the plight of the U.S. working class until he made that quick comment. I suppose there is a chance it will be overlooked with all of the brohaha over Wright and such. But, if I were Joe Sixpack, watching my construction job disappear, I would have lost all trust for him because of that comment.

and remember it is labling a class of Dem voter "Joe Sixpack" is prejudice as much as, if not as hateful as, race prejudice. The big thing is that this speech broke the cycle and forced the networks to air these words rather than the usual senseless charges, the speech will be on the internet and viewable by the "Joe Sixpacks", a few people with iPods will carry it as a video or audio recording so they can share with family.

My Dad was an average working Dem, a sheet metal worker; and I'd like to think that he would have listened.

Now I'm tainted by not being an average working Dem, but I suspect that some of them in my family will listen. I'll ask when I see them later this week.