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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:18 AM
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Hillary's Plan To Elect McCain And A Right Wing Supreme Court
"...there is near panic among the supers..."

Hillary's Plan To Elect McCain And A Right Wing Supreme Court

Brent Budowsky Huffington Post March 18, 2008

As a columnist for The Hill newspaper who is in regular contact with major superdelegates in Congress, let me explain why there is near panic among the supers which I predict will lead to a major move to Obama fairly soon.

Setting aside motive for now, there is one mathematically provable and irrefutable impact of the campaign of personal destruction that Hillary Clinton is waging against Barack Obama.
It is this: the road of her campaign leads to helping to elect McCain and hurt every Democrat on every ballot throughout America.

Here is why. What Clinton is doing, which I believe is deliberate but in any event is happening, is to seek to drive as many of her supporters to McCain in a general election.

...If a Democratic voter or Democratic-leaning independent stays home because of the Hillary onslaught of personal destruction aimed against the Democrat who is winning, those stay-home voters by definition do not vote, either, for the member of the House or Senate, or Governor, or alderman running as a Democrat.

My personal opinion is that Hillary would rather elect a one term Republican of advanced age than a two term young Democratic leader as president. Of course the corollary of the Hillary scheme is that a President McCain would give America the most anti-woman, anti-worker, anti-environmnent Supreme Court in history. But that is not Hillary's concern in her campaign of personal attack and destruction.

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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:21 AM
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1. BS
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:26 AM
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6. NC DEM leadership lines up behind Obama, afraid of Clinton negatives

North Carolina: Democratic leadership lining up behind Obama


...These are two very moderate white Democrats but like in other red states, it's obvious that Obama will have long coat-tails here. Democrats have been able to control both chambers of the legislature and the Governor's mansion for years and years, but the margin in the state House is razor thin. Many state Democrats are talking about the down ticket effect if Clinton is the nominee and the possibility of the GOP taking over one chamber at least....

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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:22 AM
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2. Brent has been dead on with everything else to date
I cant wait for the superdelegate deluge that will come soon
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:23 AM
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I'm not sure this country can survive another four years of rethugs.
Gotta wonder.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:23 AM
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3. bookmarked for after Obama's speech.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:24 AM
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4. Hate to tell you this, but...the Supreme Court NOW is "open for business"
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_28/b4042040.htm?campaign_id=rss_daily
The Roberts Court is showing a willingness to referee corporate concerns


With controversial rulings on abortion and campaign finance, the current U.S. Supreme Court has waded into some of the most explosive issues in American politics. Under the leadership of new Chief Justice John G. Roberts, the high court appears to be on the verge of rewriting vast tracts of settled Constitutional law. But there's another important emerging feature of the Roberts Court that has not drawn nearly as much attention: its sympathy to business.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:28 AM
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8. hate to tell you this - we don't need more right winger supremes
and thats what Hillary is setting us up for.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:35 PM
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25. hate to tell you this...but it's already too late..we're already there ...
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 03:37 PM by antigop
from a PRO-BUSINESS standpoint.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:38 PM
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26. hate to tell you this - Clinton is destroying the democratic party
right now.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:12 PM
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27. well, I think that is true...but the point about the Supreme Court being pro-business NOW is true nt
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:01 AM
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20. Ugh. When/who's the next retirement expected?
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 11:01 AM by rucky
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:25 AM
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5. I simply can't believe this of HRC. I'm an Obama supporter and
there are a lot of things about HRC that I don't care for but I just can't believe that someone who has worked as hard as she has for people over the years would destroy so much out of ambition.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:28 AM
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7. Obama would be 2 term pres, Hillary would be 70+
and it would be too late for her.

The Clintons' have always been ruthless.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:31 AM
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10. Hillary is 60 now. In 8 years she will be 68, not 70+.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:43 AM
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12. Some levels of ambition are truly blind.
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Arkansas Granny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:30 AM
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9. If this is, in fact, how Hillary is playing the game, I'm sure that the superdelegates
will see through it and vote for Obama.

Frankly, I don't buy into this theory. Hillary has been a Democrat since she switched to the party while she was in college. I don't see any reason to believe that she has decided to help elect a Republican now.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:34 AM
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11. Even as an Obama supporter, that's awfully cynical
There's no guarantee that she would have an easier time in '12.

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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:43 AM
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13. It may be cynical, but they belong to the same "club"...
I can easily imagine a back-room conversation that goes like this... "OK, you take the first four years, and then I'll...."

There has been no doubt among both Clinton and Obama supporters that Hillary is SMART. You have to believe that at some level she is not only aware of the effect of her actions but approves of them (actions and results). To ignore this possibility is to be naive about political animals.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:44 AM
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14. The latest in the politics of personal destruction
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 10:47 AM by Tom Rinaldo
being played against Hillary Clinton. If anyone wonders what the dirty campaign against Clinton is; this is it. Barack Obama doesn't have to touch it with a ten foot poll. He can run his "positive campaign" high above it. But down in the trenches Obama supporters, with or without clear signals from his campaign, attack Hillary Clinton in the vilest ways possible as a Democrat. They call Hillary Clinton willing to destroy the party for her naked personal ambition, they claim she wants McCain to get elected instead of Obama. And they top it off by saying Hillary Clinton is the one running a dirty and divisive campaign while THEY call HER a traitor to the Democratic Party to the face of roughly half of the Democratic Party now supporting Hillary Clinton for President.

They also call Hillary Clinton the woman virtually single handedly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq. But of course they ignore the fact that Tom Daschel was Democratic Senate Majority leader at the time the IWR passed, with him voting Yes, now that Tom Daschel is a trusted and honored surrogate for Barack Obama. Obama doesn't have to go negative directly. He has "people" who do that for him.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:59 AM
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19. She pretty much did that to herself when she endorsed McCain 3 times in 3 days over Obama
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:05 AM
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24. I accuse. Show me the quote.
Or show me a single sourced statement by any official Obama Campaign spokesperson who dares to repeat the accusation that you just made. If the Obama campaign was willing to stand by that accusation, as explosive and damning as it would be to Clinton if true, then you should have no problem providing me a link to someone speaking for Obama officially on the record who is willing to back you up. If not, you just provided more evidence for my point.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:52 AM
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15. Which "one term Republican of advanced age" would that be?
McCain has served more than one term in the Senate, and surely the "two term young Democratic leader" has only served one (or less).
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:54 AM
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16. Un. Fucking. Believable.
What Clinton is doing, which I believe is deliberate but in any event is happening, is to seek to drive as many of her supporters to McCain in a general election.

The only ones driving Hillary Clinton's supporters away from the polls are the press and the Obama campaign.

But please, oh Huffington Post - publish another article about how Hillary's supporters are voting with their vaginas, okay?
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:56 AM
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17. This is a prime example of what the MSM has been saying
The internet is slamming Clinton like a bunch of savages. I'm glad it's beginning to come out what the Obama Camp is doing.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:02 AM
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22. What does this have to do with Barack Obama?
Please, read between the lines some more and give me the upcoming powerball number. I promise to split it with you.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:59 AM
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18. I don't think Hillary's thinking about anything but the next primary.
And her strategy is nothing more sinister than a case of myopia.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:01 AM
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21. If the SDs are this concerned then they need to get off their fences
and endorse one way or another and put an end to this mess sooner than later.

I won't have much patience for them crying in their beers when this goes all the way to Denver because they were afraid to be LEADERS when we needed them to as opposed to politicians waiting to see which way the wind is blowing.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:04 AM
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23. This is so silly
What would be the point in her having such a plan? It would make absolutely no sense and be completely pointless just to run for President so someone else could get elected. I don't get where people come up with this stuff.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:15 PM
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28. I'm no fan of Senator Clinton, but this is off-the-charts silly
:crazy:
It's as if Budowsky has never seen a primary before.

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