A LEGACY OF BAD JUDGEMENT

The list is growing by the day, and the season of Election Politics is still very young, still.

With each week, comes another revelation, not willingly surrendered, but offered only as a last resort of political expedience. If you want to capture the "conscience of the King", it is to be found in the small details. In those details and facts, lies the TRUTH, not the spin.

Obama's list of oops, you got me includes the following:

1. Rev. Donnie McClurkin
2. Lewis Farrakhan
3. William Ayers
4. Tony Rezko
5. Rev. Jeremiah Wright

If this were only a singular isolated case of impaired judgement, it could be overlooked. At least five instances of bad judgment as in this case, and you have a habitual pattern.

Obama does what he usually does when faced with news which surfaces about contacts that HE ALREADY KNOWS about, he DENOUNCES them, AFTER the fact. How very politic to spin when all you want to do is win. Forget the honesty is the best policy rule, just avoid until the rooster comes home to roost, then denounce the statement, but embrace the spokesman. If necessary, and expedient, dump the speaker all together.

Wright married Obama and baptized his children. Obama knew what Wright had said for years, and never denounced the comments, until it made the news. So, the so-called "CHANGE" candidate, couldn't find it in himself to effect a positive change in his own Church.

Candidates get exposed in campaigns. Even where there is a honeymoon, ultimately, the MSM will bring you down, if they can. They have tried that for 15 years with Hillary Clinton, who is hated by the Right. With all that, she is still able to hold serve, and still stay on an even keel. On the other hand, Obama is foundering after taking hits for only a few rounds. If he wants to go further, he has to prove he can withstand the torrent of raised, accusing, fingers.

A poll released today, national in scope, shows a Truth that won't be spoken on DU. It has the opinions of all voters. 66% of the voters reject Obama's speech as clearing up the Wright matter.
Keep that in mind, when the onslaught of Obama followers follow and say "all is well". It isn't.

Finally, I am an Edwards supporter, not a Clinton supporter. However, I am anti-Obama to the extent his policies smack of right-wing politics and he speaks in conciliatory tones to insurance carriers and CONSERVOSCUM. I want a left-winger as POTUS. So, lets see how reflexively Obama Nation slams Hillary, instead of being able to defend Obama.

Name all the Obama decisions you want and tell me if any of them top any on the list of outstanding matters that Clinton covered up for GHWBush and Jackson Stephens, a move that led directly to the emergence of Bush2, 9-11, this Iraq war and soontobe war with Iran.




APPENDICES

Matters For Further Investigation

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:

1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.

2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.

3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.

4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al-Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.

5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.

6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.

7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.

8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.

9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.

10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.

11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.

12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.

13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.

14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.

15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.

16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.

17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.

18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.

19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.

20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.

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YOUR PROBLEM HERE, is that YOU want OUR perspective to be as skewed as YOURS so you don't want us to look closely at the Clintons' judgements. Yet many of us see that there is NO COMPARISON to anything Obama has done that is even in league with the coverup services Clintons have performed for BushInc over the years.

... in very short order, the OP is going to jump in here and tell you that he's not a Clinton supporter. It's one of his common defenses after he throws his characteristic stink-bomb.

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and the best person wins. FOr me, after the past few, it has become Obama. My man Edwards isn't in the race. I will accept Obama. I don't
have to explain that to anyone, I don't have to justify squat. It is
my choice.

If we dissect the past of every person that was ever associated with you, I bet you will find a lot of crazy folks too.

We should focus on what it takes to be president, instead of dwelling over scandals that don't matter in the grand scheme of things.

Pushing the ignore button, but I will no longer allow this to continue.

Obama said on Friday as he did a full press on MSNBC, FOX News, CNN, that he knew of no comments by his pastor while he was in church and on yesterday reported he has heard some things while in church is crazy. Crazy for the Obama camp to lie to the American people. Then some of you defend this talk out from his camp. To shit in a church for 20 years and hear nothing of this kind is crazy, I do not believe what Obama is saying.

This is to top it all off, Obama said his grandmother has said things in private about blacks and his pastor has not. Wow, do you all believe that one, lol, Obama is a politician after all. Can some tell me this, if pastor right said all of the horrible things about the US: We are a terrorist nation, responsible for the HIV epidemic, etc, in public, then what has he been saying in private. Defend that one Obama people!

I watched all the interviews last Friday and you lie.

take your right wing talking points and shove them.

Go and look for yourself, while on the Oberman show. Friday the 14th.

http://galley-cat.newsvine.com/_news/2008/03/16/1369569-transcript-of-obamas-interview-with-keith-olbermann-about-rev-wright-what-happened-to-the-great-oratory-obama


This is a transcript of the interview between Keith Olbermann and Sen. Barack Obama when Obama was on Keith’s Countdown show on March 14, 2008, answering questions about his pastor, Rev. Wright, and his association with him.

I think it interesting to note that the one thing Obama is so famous for – his brilliant rhetoric and speech-making abilities – seems to fly out the window when he is asked difficult questions one on one. I paused the video as I watched it online to be able to type out this transcript exactly as the words were spoken.

Have you noticed how much Obama uses uhhh and ahhh and aaaaand when he is answering direct questions that are asked of him in a one-on-one situation, such as in a debate or an interview? This usually is an indicator of someone who is not being completely honest or has something to hide.

When I listened to this interview, I got the distinct impression that Obama was hedging and side-stepping. Then when I read the words he'd spoken, this impression hit me again with even more impact.

You decide:

KEITH--Good evening senator, thank you for your time.

KEITH--Your campaign is saying it had no plans to ask Rev. Wright to step down, but obviously that has changed; did he say he’s stepping down or did you ask him to leave?

OBAMA—You know, I – I –I think there was a recognition that he was on the verge of retirement…uh…he’s taking a sabbatical…uh…and…that it was important…uh…uh…for him to step out of the spotlight…uh…in the situation.

KEITH—There’s an awful lot of strong material that’s now on videotape; we have played it; I see no reason to play it again, but there’s that phrase he said that “God damn America” is a better phrase to use than “God bless America” … can you—can you characterize your own reactions to this? Did you know that he had made these statements before these videotapes appeared?



OBAMA—You know, frankly I didn’t…ahhh…I wasn’t in church during…ahhh…the time that these statements were made. Now I think it’s important, Keith, to point out that…ahhh….he’s been preaching for thirty years…ahhh…he’s a man who was a former Marine…uh…who served this country…he’s a biblical scholar…somebody who’s spoken at…ahhh…theological schools all across the country and is widely regarded as a preacher. That’s the man I know…uh...that’s the person who was…uh…pastor of this church…uh…I did not hear such incendiary language…uhhh…myself personally…uh…either in conversations with him or when I was in the pew…uh—he always preached a social gospel…uh…and was…ahhh…sometimes controversial in the same way that..ahhh…many people who speak out on social issues are controversial…uhh…but I—I—these particular statements that…uh…have been gathered...are ones I strongly objected to, strongly condemned…uh…had I heard them…uh…in church I would…uhh…expressed that concern directly…uhh… to Reverend Wright, so I didn’t become familiar with these until…uhh…recently.



KEITH—How do you characterize, given your long association with him, given the fact that he officiated at the marriage of you and your wife, how do you…uhhh…balance this line with what you have to do, from a political point of view, and from a personal point of view relative to these comments and your long history with him? Do you – do you repudiate the man, do you repudiate the comments, or do you repudiate both?

OBAMA—No I—I—I would not repudiate the man, as I’ve said. This is somebody who…uh…I have known for seventeen years, helped me … uh…helped bring me to Jesus and bring me to church…uh…aaand…you know, he and I have a relationship; he’s like an uncle…uh…who has talked to me – not about political things, not about social views as much as about faith and God and family…uh…and he’s somebody who…uh…is widely respected throughout Chicago and around the country…uf…for…ah…many of…uh…the things he’s done not only as a pastor, but also as—as a preacher, but I have to…uh…say that the comments that have been played are ones that are contrary to what I believe, what I think of this country…uh—the love that I have for this country…uh—and…you know, are—are angering and distress me…ahh…I would describe it as a member of your family who does—says something that…uh…you really disagree with—they don’t stop being a member of your family, but you have to speak out forcefully on the issue.

KEITH—Do you expect—whether it is now or whether you are the nominee later on -- do you expect to be addressing…uh…commercials from 527 groups, or commercials from other candidates using the tapes of Pastor Wright, and how would you do so?

OBAMA—YES!…uhh…I think there’s no doubt…uh…that—that this will be used as political fodder as it has been in the past…uhhh…the…uhh…these kinds of things…uh…and…ahh...you know, what I hope is that the American people will trust that…uhh…what I believe, my values, my ideals, what I’ve spoken about in terms of bringing the country together…uh…that all those things…uh—override..uh…a guilt by association…uh…and…that’s gonna be one of the things we talk about throughout this campaign, and frankly that’s something that every candidate has to deal with…uh, so, I’m confident in the American people that they will hold me accountable for what I say, what I do, and what I believe—uh…Now one thing that I do hope to do is to use…uh…some of these issues to talk more fully about…uh…the question of race in our society because part of what…uh…we’re seeing here is Rev. Wright represents a generation that came of age in the sixties…uh…he is a African American man who…you know…because of his life experience, continues to have a lot of anger…uh…frustration, and will express that in ways that are very different from me and my generation partly because I’ve benefitted from the struggles of that early generation. And so part of what we’re seeing here is…ahhh…a…transition from the past to the future…uhh…and I hope that our politics represents that future.

KEITH—There is a second story, senator, involving your campaign tonight…you told the Chicago Tribune today—the story’s on their website—that the Chicago businessman, Antoine “Tony” Rezko was a more significant contributor to your previous campaigns than had been previously publicly known; he raised about a quarter of a million dollars for your first campaigns—why are we only hearing about this today?

OBAMA—Well, th-th-that’s not actually accurate, I think what we did was we went into the Tribune to…uh…try to disgorge any…uh…additional information that they wanted, and this story…uh…about my relationship with Mr. Rezko has been consistent throughout…ahhh…what we did was, we talked about…uh…the fundraising that he had done for my state senate race…uh…my two state senate races…a congressional race as well as a United States senate race, and, the, total amount is what is the figure that they put forward—that’s not actually something that is particularly new, or different, as I’ve said before, he’s somebody who raised money…uh…for my campaign during the course of ten years. But the more important part of the story…was…to confirm and reiterate…uh…with full documentation, that there’s nothing…uhh…in my relationship with Mr. Rezko that in any way relates to the corruption trial that he’s involved with right now…uhh…that there’s no allegations that I was involved in anything wrong…uh—and.. that is something that we have been consistent about throughout this campaign.

KEITH—Senator Barack Obama of Illinois, on two very controversial and important stories breaking today—great, thanks for your time, senator.

OBAMA—Thank you so much for taking the time, I appreciate it.


Now who is the liar?

your post makes my point.

he said BOTH times that he had heard controversial remarks but not the incindiary remarks being played over and over.

"To shit in a church for 20 years and hear nothing of this kind is crazy.."

I know you didn't mean to write that but nevertheless, it's an interesting slip.

they disagree with the poster...Ignorites. Obamites have a slew of ignorant Ignorites.

George W. Bush
Dick Cheney
Donald Rumsfeld
Condoleeza Rice
Richard Perle
Richard Miers
Douglas Feith
Rupert Murdoch
George H.W. Bush
Pee Wee Herman

WHAT IN THE FRIGGIN HELL!!!

Pat Leahy and Russ Feingold both voted to confirm Roberts, and they're both much, much better progressives than either Hilly or Obama.

having that "chance". How convenient for him. Or he would have just voted "present" which is his "MO". :evilgrin:

IF Obama had been a US Senator at the time of the IWR vote, would he have read the NIE?

Hillary didn't read it. Instead, she took counsel from Condoleezza Rice and the very people pushing for the war.

In other words, Hillary cast her Yea vote, based on the same information the Bush administration was feeding the US public. Whereas, Barack Obama, having that same knowledge, disagreed with the Iraq war.

He can't be trusted on the Supreme Court.

http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

Are you SURE that you want BushInc protected into the next decade, too?



YOUR PROBLEM HERE is that YOU want OUR perspective to be as skewed as YOURS so you don't want us to look closely at the Clintons' judgements. Yet many of us see that there is NO COMPARISON to anything Obama has done that is even in league with the coverup services Clintons have performed for BushInc over the years.

judgment and character, neither of the remaining candidates have stellar records to run on, but Obama has the adviser that hates America.

That will be voted on.

stop saying that his pastor hates American. You know that isn't true and you have no reason to be so hateful to a man that did nothing to you but exercise free speech and have his words taken out of context and played over and over on tv.

The man was a mother f-in Marine. He is a scholar and a man of God that has given his life to serving others. And you are so filled with HATE that you would treat him like this because you are so proud of your mother f-in talking point.

that is sick.

to thousands of people for over 30 years.

I do not know that he doesn't hate America. All I have to go by are his own words.

I am filled with disgust that someone who had an opportunity to heal racial tensions in this country instead choose to promote and exploit them. That Obama assisted in this for whatever reason is unacceptable.

it is sick, we have all seen just how sick it is.

that have been played over and over. you have no idea what he said in those 30 years.

you self-righteously cast judgment on him based on the few clips that you have seen. You do not even want to find out what type of person he is and see what he has really said for 30 years. You just decide what you want to believe with no regard for the truth.

I am disgusted by what the Media has done to this man. I expect if from Hannity et al. But the DUers that engage in such hateful, talking point mentality shock the hell out of me.

and I don't want to hear anymore it is sickening

Think about how this will run in the GE, look at what is on youtube already linking Obama to Wrights words.

go ahead if you want to see how this is going to play out.

search:
Obama Wright

a preview of possible ads, I think the tv ones will be milder

the truth. You don't want to find out that he is a good man and that Trinity Lutheran is a wonderful church. You don't care. Did you believe the swift boat lies against Kerry?

I didn't and I was disgusted at the people that repeated those repulsive talking points. Just as I am disgusted with DUers that are acting so ignorant.

instead of unity there is racial divide within the democratic party over Wrights words.

wonderful

I have seen the problem. there is indeed a racial divide over Wright's words, but it is not the fault of Wright. It is the fault of those that chose to let hate and talking points form thier opinions.

the black agenda report that was published today, the first issue since this story broke

it does explain black liberation theology and gives much more insight then the clips of rev Wright

There are two articles that deal with this and Obama that I have read so far, maybe more, if you are interested in it is online

http://www.blackagendareport.com

What I find sad, in reading these articles, is that there doesn't seem to be as much racial reconciliation as public perception seems to believe.

and this Iraq war.

The day that MORE OF YOU wake up and CARE about whether or not your government is open to you as a citizen or closed to you in order to continue the protection of the powerful elite and their secrecy and privilege, is the day that we can start making a difference.

But too many of you are proving to be voters easily manipulated instead of citizens demanding to be respected with the truth about their GOVERNMENT and its actions.

Truth matters. The lies and coverups flew into those buildings on Sept.11, 2001. Do you care?
http://consortiumnews.com/2006/111106.html

They took down a decorated War Hero with a long, successful Senate career - they won't have to dig deep to take Obama down - all they need do is tap into my 75 year old Republican Mother's fears. I almost had her going for Edwards (she's not liking the repukes these days), but after hearing Rev. Wright, she's voting McCain.

most likely...

My grandmothers have both passed on several years ago. I have no opinion about Rev. Wright - was just stating a fact about how my Mother feels.

I love hearing HRC supporters talk about Obama's unelectability, when they support a candidate who's loathed by half the country and doesn't even need a scandal to be unelectable.

I'm still undecided after Edwards left. I thought this post was about Obama's current situation, but I think you know that. The media and Rove machine will do whatever it takes to take down whomever the nominee is, like they did with Gore and Kerry. You have a habit of insinuating and it's getting tiresome.

I assumed you were a Hillary supporter. My mistake. But I insinuate nothing.

Those bastards are willing to go to any length...


I dont think some of you remember 200/2004 properly... especially when you talk abou Hillary's tactics.

Historian Douglas Brinkley noted those 'tactics' in April2004.
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Bill's 3 week defense of Bush book tour in summer2004 was a 'tactic' to keep Bush supported on Iraq before the election.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Carville's sabotage of Ohio Dem voters on election night was a 'tactic' to keep Hillary2008 safe.
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Hillary uses RW 'tactics' whenever it suits her personal needs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

I neither support Obama or Hillary at this juncture. I haven't decided.

the Wright matter...let me know how big the 'Wright matter' is around September...

what is the approval rating of the war in Iraq right now?

ask Hillary to clear up that little matter while you are at all this, will you?

and, if you want to start lists, you might want to get a new legal pad before you start listing Clinton 'oops'...you know, the ones you seem to think she can successfully defend and withstand the onslaught she faces...

is there any semblance of proof that hillary exhibits a 'teflon' capability...

she has the highest negatives of anyone in the contest, and she always has...and those numbers have not gone down NATIONALLY at all....

Wright will fade into the fuzzy RW preach-to-the-choir place it deserves...the clinton's pasts will be forefront at all times, all the time...

Jesus Christ.

with your disingenuous little list of Obama oops.

McClurkin: Fair enough. At the very least it demonstrated a willingness to sell out for political expedience.

Farrakhan: Say what? What does Obama have to do with Farrakhan. Farrakhan endorsed Obama. Obama denounced and rejected Farrakhan. What do you want him to do? Blow his head off to prove to the likes of scum that he really, really rejects him?

William Ayers: Obama was a 7 year old when Ayers was bombing government sites. He sat on a board with Ayers who is now a Professor of Education at U of C, and he accepted a whopping $200 donation from Ayers back in 2001. If you're so upset about this, shouldn't you be screeching to the University? Pathetic.

Rezco: It seems that Obama's judgment was poor here, even though he's been cleared of any wrong doing re Rezco.

Wright: No error of judgment at all. Period. And I'm sick of fucking white people judging this situation. Puke.

I'll leave off slamming Hillary. Her errors in judgment are widely known, but allow me to say that your OP is a stinking pile of lies and bullshit. It reflects what you are.

with which I agree.

you need to cut that out.

as you do. BO maybe our President, there is not much we really know about him and this kinda puts some light on who he really. He has a right to support the good Rev. but I sure don't want a President in the WH that has listen to the hate in Church, and who knows Rev Wright could continue to be our President's spiritual adviser. And by the way, you have called me a racist, so what gives you the right to judge me?

:sarcasm:

has undermined his whole campaign

Yes words matter, and Wrights words, condoned by Obama in his attendance, membership, contributions and mentorship/protege relationship is the final nail in the coffin.

His political career, at least for POTUS is over. Some do not want to see it or admit it.

Judgement and character make the man, and that is the question. A speech on racial history in this country does not answer the question.

The PA primary will show the full damage. There is plenty of time for acceptance, it is a process.

You also might want to consider posting in all-caps like the OP. I hear that makes things more true also.

But then again, you are such a brilliant lawyer that you must have just been laying a clever trap...

Eh?

Speaking of which, are you billing clients this hour right now?

It would be unethical to do so while posting these things.

They are time-coded you know. It is possible to prove you weren't really working.

If someone were to tip off your clients, it could be tragic for you and your firm.

judgement n.

Variant of judgment.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2003. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

Like "loose"

In Great Britain and many of its former colonies, “judgement” is still the correct spelling; but ever since Noah Webster decreed the first E superfluous, Americans have omitted it.

While it may be correct according to a dictionary, it is not used in the legal field. In fact, law school Legal Writing instructors usually mark you down for it.

Most lawyers know this. The use of the "e" is an almost (although not completely) surefire way of spotting a non-lawyer masquerading as one.

you don't get to slam him for both. if you gotta sling mud, at least try to fashion some sort of logic behind the throw.

I have to agree with you on this one!

is the media spin on them.

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Right.

Wright = bad judgement

War in Iraq = no big deal.

I think you should have used better judgement before you posted it.

thanks for the thoughtful and truthful post.

shows what a piece of... you are

and sorry if the truth hurts....nothing listed that isn't true. I don't think name-calling is allowed on this board...be careful there.

He has never had anything to do with the former, and he sat on a charitable board (along with many others) with the latter. How is that an example of his bad judgment? I'm taking a page from you, hillbot. I'm gonna smear hillypoo with her good friend racist Sheriff Lee. And don't forget hilly's friend Dov Hikind, homophobic disgusting Muslim hating bigot. If you think Farrakhan and Ayers is fair game. You'll love my next thread on Hilly's friends/

you're just all worked up!!!

Umm... the nomination is sewn up.

If these are problems, we're going to lose. If you can't support Obama, then you might as just flat out vote for McCain.

Like Clinton's

-Vote FOR the IWR;
-Vote AGAINST the Levin Amendment;
-Vote FOR the Bush bankruptcy bill;
-Vote AGAINST banning the use of cluster munitions in civilian areas & refugee camps;
-Inability to get her health care plan through a DEMOCRATICALLY-CONTROLLED Congress;
-Shortsightedness, as evidenced by the utter lack of planning for anything after Super Tuesday;

Let's discuss these things that Clinton did, while we're bashing Obama for some of his associates.

GOD DAMN AMERICA for killing the nation of Iraq (and so many others before)
GOD DAMN AMERICA for ignoring the Geneva Convention on Torture
GOD DAMN AMERICA for Abu Graib
GOD DAMN AMERICA for stealing from the poor to give to the rich (bankruptcy bill, contractors in Iraq, etc. etc. a hundred times)
GOD DAMN AMERICA for being unwilling to take care of our sick and spend that money on Killing people in other nations
GOD DAMN the AMERICAN ELITE for thinking they are so GOD DAMN FUCKING SPECIAL.

Wright is right.

We the people were the ones who have allowed ourselves to ignore the evils our country was doing in our name.
We the people are the ones who have allowed the MSM to distract us with non-issues instead of REAL news.
We the people are the lazy, intellectually disengaged mob that allowed the RW to take over our country.
We the people are the ones who keep re-electing the same lobbyist-bought politicians and wonder why nothing ever changes.

As I believe Shakespeare wrote, "The fault, dear Brutus, lies not in our stars, but in our selves."

What has Obama ever done to indicate he has any positive thoughts on that man?

Cutting ties with him as he should his pastor

Don't just come to DU and spread bullshit. You will get called on it, dearie.

His church honored LF and you tell me he has nothing to do with him. Right just like he does not have a friendly relationship with Willam Ayers.

"A poll released today, national in scope, shows a Truth that won't be spoken on DU. It has the opinions of all voters. 66% of the voters reject Obama's speech as clearing up the Wright matter."


That is worth a post on its own.

And from a "cleric" no less!

don't you feel embarrassed or ashamed?

anyway, welcome to Iggy. I have no time for people that don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

You really should take a look at what Obama's policies are, rather than what you think they "smack of."

As an aside, listing a group of people that Clinton shouldn't have associated herself with could make for quite a list, quickly put together.

1. Mark Penn
2. Marc Rich
3. Norman Hsu
4. Bill Shaheen
5. John McCain

K&R

That's a real progressive move.

Meh.

Methinks you are a troll. C'ya!

with voting on a war resolution, supporting bankrupcy bills, paving the way for war with Iran and accepting millions from corporate lobbyists?


Wow... that is one silly little stretch.

This is another \'forgotten\' issue
.............

A senior foreign policy adviser to leading Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Obama has told The Nation that if elected Sen. Obama will not \"rule out\" using private security companies like Blackwater Worldwide in Iraq. The adviser also said that Sen. Obama does not plan to sign on to legislation that seeks to ban the use of these forces in US war zones by January 2009, when a new President will be sworn in

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20080317/scah


HRC actually signed onto the legislation and supports banning such contractors in Iraq

From this war\'s very beginning, this administration has permitted thousands of heavily-armed military contractors to march through Iraq without any law or court to rein them in or hold them accountable. These private security contractors have been reckless and have compromised our mission in Iraq. The time to show these contractors the door is long past due. We need to stop filling the coffers of contractors in Iraq, and make sure that armed personnel in Iraq are fully accountable to the U.S. government and follow the chain of command,\" said Senator Clinton.

http://clinton.senate.gov/news/statements/details.cfm?id=293878

I just don't have time for this shit anymore.

n/t

I wish you would take that Edwards image off your sig line. You obviously don't understand the first thing about what John and Elizabeth stand for and value.

Come to the Edwards forum, and find out...

Finally, as I couldn't answer all day ( someone astutely pointed out that I was posting during the day as I work very hard at my job, thus NO REPLIES till now ) , the irony of right-ward leaning moderate Democrats calling me rightwing because I dare to comment on Obama, is simply, laughable.

I support wholeheartedly the LEFT-WING of the Democratic Party, the core of the traditional Party. To me, all Obamites are one step removed from Republicans, so the irony is rich and dripping.

Finally, personal injury lawyers are paid on a contingent fee basis; I don't "bill out" hours. That is for defense attorneys, criminal lawyers,and general practitioners.

Carry on wayward soldiers!

'nuff said.

This is one such. Best to seek another route.

All-cap subject lines = cyberscreaming.

Quite untoward for a "cleric" if you ask me.