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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:12 PM
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The Democratic Party stands idly by as Obama takes a public whipping
I'm white, I'm male, and I'm 36. I grew up poorer than most in an economically challenged small Midwestern town on free lunch tokens, AFDC Checks, and food stamps. My mom was single and bounced around from job to job but was most of the time unemployed. When I was 5, we lived in a tent in a campground for about 4 months as we were effectively homeless. After that, we moved to what became "my home town" and I grew up in subsidized housing for low-income people (mainly single moms and their kids) for the next 11 years.

My mom, like Barack's family, instilled in me notion to value an education.

I went to public schools and public universities. My high school grades weren't that amazing but I managed to usually make the honor rolls. I didn't get into my first choice of public university but I got into my second choice. I graduated third in my class at a university of 26,000 (40,000 if you count grad students) with a degree in psychology and a pre-med focus. This gave me a good chance to go to an excellent public Medical University.

From there, I went to residency in the Northeast and as a resident I learned first-hand what it's like to be a second-class citizen. If anyone has watched Scrubs and gets the sense that interns and residents are basically treated like dirt, take note, it's real. There's more truth in that show about the field of medicine than in any medical drama I ever found. And what I learned from those brief intense years is that being systematically treated with disrespect and a proverbial boot on your neck is demoralizing. It degrades your soul. I only see it so clearly now because from the moment I graduated until the current day, the contrast between that hell of 126 hour work weeks and 42 hour shifts and the privileged status I currently have is stark and amazing. One day, I was told what to do by people with a lot less education than me, the next day after I graduate I get the authority to give orders to others that literally hold life and death in the balance.

I've never walked a day in America as a black person, a woman, or as any other group that suffers a minority of social power. I was only subject to a brief and cruel social experiment called a "residency" that is really just hazing disguised as education. But what I learned then was that when your whole world has you by the short hairs and steps on your neck and makes you feel less than worthwhile, there's not a lot you can do. It's a devastating and all-encompassing experience. I'm still angry about it because in my opinion I was abused and I expect to always feel that way.

But somehow between then and now I realized that my experience was to be learned from and the best thing I think I learned was compassion for others that suffer as victims of social injustice. I only got a small taste of what is a pervasive lifelong negative experience for others. It's one of the reasons why I have a special sensitivity for African Americans. In the long view, I can think of no other group of people that have had it worse in the history of our young country.

And all of that leads me to why I'm so damn angry right now at the Democratic Party, the reasons I'd like to further discuss as follows.

It's an undeniable fact that there's a coordinated effort to push the Jeremiah Wright story in a vastly slanted and misleading way. There's two main groups that benefit and they are obvious, the Republican Partisans and the Clinton Campaign. If hard pressed I think this is mainly the dirty work of the Republican Partisans. They want to hamper whoever is the "front runner" in the Dem Race in order to make this go on as long as possible. If they can drive the negatives high and the race ends very late, the Dem nominee will have very little time to recover. If Hillary were on a straight path to the nomination right now (she's not), then there'd be some sensationalized story she'd be confronting. I don't think the Clinton campaign has flamed this story but I'm sure it's not breaking Penn, Clinton, and Wolfson's collective cold heart to stand idly by and do nothing.

But what is really tragic and criminal about all of this is that this story has NOTHING to do with what anything Obama has done, said, or stands for. What he stands for is the very opposite of Jeremiah Wright's approach to White Racism. Rather than fight with anger, Obama seeks to bring understanding, reason, and the reflection that comes when we "see ourselves in others" for a moment and build on the improvements in society that have already been made. This is apparent to me and anyone giving a fair hearing on the topic.

Obama's speech yesterday encapsulates this but it will not put the issue to rest. It will be brought up time and time again and it may very well be Obama's undoing now or in the General Election. But it won't be that Obama hasn't tried to create understanding. It will mainly be because the Democratic Party is essentially turning its back on blacks.

I once read recently by a black person on one of the blogs whose sentiment was this: "we are good enough to vote for you, but apparently we not good enough for you to vote for us." That's a powerful statement and certainly rings true for a lot of Democrats. Unfortunately this dovetails into the Republican Partisan claim that the Democratic Party takes blacks for granted, which is starting to feel more true each and everyday I watch this process unfold. Even sadder is that the Black Community has no reasonable alternative choice. Neither do liberals.

This is further proven by how the Democratic party uses blacks as a cog in the "Democratic Machine". This "machine" concept was explained to me the other day on DU and how it goes is that there are different ways the Democrats turn out votes and one of them is to get the "Black Preachers" to fire up their flock to get into the voting booth. These are the same "Black Preachers" of whom many respect and agree with Wright.

It's that last example that's sticking in my craw because the way I see it the Democratic Party uses the "Fiery Black Preachers" when it is convenient for them but when it looks bad, they leave Jeremiah Wright, and all those like him, out in the wind. For two weeks, all I hear is the Republican echo chamber but not any prominent Democratic leaders fighting back. Though Obama can't disown Wright, the Democratic Party publicly has. If Jeremiah Wright was an exception and a crackpot then I could maybe see the reasoning. But he's not and deep down a lot of what he says, though looking bad, is just plainly true, especially when viewed with a liberal lens.

So yesterday, after my third watching of Obama's amazing speech, I started to get the sense that not only was I seeing a great leader eloquently talking to us as adults and telling us like it is but that I was also seeing Obama take a public whipping for all of us. He had the courage to apologize for Wright's incendiary language as well as apologize for the racism and resentment that exists on both sides. He did it partly for his political career, but I think he also did it because he just plain had to. If he hadn't spoken up in contrition, this was likely to continue to deepen the racial divide and serve as a yet another brick in the wall that separates White from Black. He took the whipping so the rest of us didn't have to.

But the crime of it is that Obama is generally standing alone in the public square while Hannity, Limbaugh, Lou Dobbs, and the rest all take out their proverbial lashes on him. The Democratic party has by and large generally just stood by and watched. Even if he becomes the nominee, I expect they will continue to do so. Just like they let the Gore mis-characterizations continue to thrive and how they let Kerry be painted as a traitor to the military.

But Obama in the long run is not going to be the only ones paying the price, we all will. Instead of taking this chance to put the racists back in a bottle and tell them we aren't going to accept what they have to give anymore, we've acquiesced and shrunk away from the challenge in fear. And just like the master riding the horse and whipping it into submission, the master's power grows as long as the horse is afraid.

Jeremiah Wright's approach as seen on the clips is wrong on many levels when viewed through a political lens because when he's yelling and angry he seems threatening and dangerous. However, in reality he has probably done more tangible good for people, in terms of lives saved and helped, than most people on this board put together. He's especially done more public good than the Hannities and Limbaughs of the world. Finally, he is certainly a LOT less dangerous in his rhetoric compared to the poison spewed by Right Wing Hate Radio every day. Anyone who disagrees with that last statement shouldn't be on a liberal discussion board, period.

Furthermore, it's certain that his angry outbursts are an exception to his record which is widely touted and highly regarded by the black church community. And make no mistake, the black church community is the lifeblood of the Democratic Party. We haven't seen much of the "good side of Wright" in the past two weeks even though the videos and records are out there. And the reason being is that the nefarious forces that want to conquer liberalism don't want you to see them. They don't want you to see Jeremiah Wright as a whole man. They don't want you to see him as a good person. They just want to you see him as an angry black man, a crackpot, a demagogue. Mainly, they just want to you to see an offensive image that will short circuit your thinking. And then they want you to associate the negative image with Obama or at the very least make you question Obama's judgment as to to why he could attach him self to "such a bad guy".

It is just plain wrong for people like Edwards, Gore, Clinton, Richardson, Pelosi, and the rest of the talking Democratic heads to just stand idly by as this will no doubt continue to unfold. They can't just leave it to black people and they can't just leave it to Obama to defend themselves. Democrats of all colors have to stand up and say enough is enough, and we are drawing a line in the sand and though Wright may not look pretty at times, he is still one of us. YOU WILL NOT divide us and YOU WILL NOT conquer us. Limbaugh, Hannity, and the rest, you ARE NOW THE MINORITY and if you want to join us then all you have to is open your mind, change your heart, and change your ways. If we don't do this and continue to allow ourselves to be split along racial lines against our own common values and principles, we will continue to lose and we will continue to see more Iraq Wars, more Right Wing judges, and more devastation to the economic interests of poor and middle class.




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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:32 PM
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1. k&r
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surfermaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:00 PM
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104. Don't drag Edwards into this, Obama people gave him hell
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:50 AM
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216. I'm disappointed in Edwards' silence, too
He built his campaign on civil rights, he's spent a lot of time in black churches, but has been oddly silent as Obama, the black church and the black community has been vilified.

Edwards often said that civil rights should be talked about "Everywhere, everywhere!" not just in front of black audiences, but in white communities as well. Yet he hasn't said a word as the media has lambasted Obama - when I heard Pat Buchanan and Joe Scarborough blathering on yesterday that "white America" and "Joe Sixpack" don't want to hear this stuff, I prayed that John Edwards would show up SOMEWHERE to speak up.

I'm disappointed in him. If these issues are really the "purpose of his life" as he claims, he should be speaking up now, even if - in fact, BECAUSE - he's no longer running for president.
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nvme Donating Member (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:10 AM
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222. lemons
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 08:17 AM by nvme
I watched the weekend unfold in the wright controversy, it simmered and would have boiled over, but it didn't. In a most unusual fashion, Obama addressed the very heart of his detractors innermost fears. He addressed as a statesman. As a man with purpose and passion he took hold and challenged us and himself to be better. "NOT THIS TIME", is a mantra to be embraced.

America's dialog must not be overly-simplified. Our culture is now more than ever, ready to address what must be done. abortion/anti-abortion, conservative/liberal are some of the labels that must be stripped from our vocabulary. As a society we have been lazy. The media to categorized and compartmentalize our dialog. It served to Create an identity while our country transformed from new deal to reaganomics. It was our way of recovering from the 60's and the 70's. But those types no longer suit the current american discourse. For example, As a liberal, compassion and generosity are very grounded in my personal beliefs, yet i am fiscally Conservative. The programs have been abused, yet they serve to give less fortunate a hand up. I want to see them administered effectively and efficiently or eliminated if they create overlapping functions. I personally despise abortion, yet i am willing to fight tooth and nail that roe v wade is not overturned. I realize, a woman facing this situation causes by a deep dilemma and I have no right to insert my personal bias into an already difficult and complex situation. It is a time to begin to listen to opposing views with an open-mindedness that has been rarely exercised.

The political leaders have not stood-up address the attacks against Obama. The have been conspicuously neutral. It seems callus to say this, but it is a good thing that they haven't.until Barack secures the nomination, it is his fight alone to engage. Initially it was upsetting to see a favored candidate nearly eviscerated. Like or dislike is not the issue. It is the trial by fire that all candidates must face. The party establishment does well by not entering the frey. Should Clinton secure the nomination at least the party will be able to claim they outwardly were not biased.

His speech proved that he could handle whatever was thrown his way. He has as candidate performed beyond stellar. His detractors can say what they will. (and they will). He has organized and campaigned and motivated the masses with his message of Hope and Change.

As an ardent contributor and supporter of Barack Obama's candidacy, I am encouraged by Obama's handling of this controversy. He is ready to step up and take on whatever comes his way.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:32 AM
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238. No, Edwards should remain quietly in the background until someone wins the
horse race..
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:04 AM
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244. This is not about the "horse race"
This is about speaking up for what is right on an issue that he claims to believe deep in his heart.

This is beyond politics. If Edwards keeps his mouth shut - "remaining quietly in the background" - he won't have much credibility on this issue down the line. It's easy to speak up when it's politically expedient. It's hard to do it when it may not be popular.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 02:47 PM
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295. After hearing him speak on Leno last night, #1. damn I miss some
sensibility and someone speaking to the issues. #2. He did great. Both candidates have their strengths and I'm going the route of Al Gore... It makes more of an impact.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:13 PM
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259. Truth Be Known... Edwards Got "Kicked In The Ass Too" By Many D.C. Elites
and the POWERS THAT BE! Perhaps he should step up and defend Obama against the "slurs" going around, HOWEVER, I am a white woman who knows first hand the plight of "blacks" and "racism" not simply by reading numerous books, but also by seeing it up close and personal. I have lived in the South for most of my life, I'm a Boomer who remembers all things about the Civil Rights Movement. I was in the middle of it myself even though I was only 10. As an "Army Brat" they were treated a little better because the had to live together, but not much. I went to school in Texas and it was VERY BAD for blacks!

Having said all that, even though I'm sympathetic to what is happening to Obama, I said so very long ago that THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!! I DO NOT support Obama, and I especially don't support Clinton so this isn't a post about supporting his candidacy, but it IS about my absolute disgust and anger with The WH, The House of Representative and The Senate! Ever since 2006 I have become increasingly appalled by too many things to even begin to mention. Many won't agree with me, many will say "fight on" but I've fought since Viet Nam, and back then we did get some results. I've marched in D.C several times since the Iraq War and NOTHING was covered to any extent, nobody really listened, phone calls, petition signing, meetings, volunteering continually.... NONE OF IT DID ANY GOOD! And it seems to be getting WORSE! America is nothing like the America I ever knew, so I rarely post here anymore because even here I see nothing but nastiness and vitriol!

I saw many leaders get shot and killed in the 60's and know that kind of devastating loss. Robert Kennedy was one of my idols and I cried hard and long for him. He represented HOPE to me! I no longer have HOPE! Yes, there was a lot of upheaval back then, but we survived WITHOUT some very very good leaders who would have made a lot of difference. But today it ALL ABOUT MONEY and WHO YOU KNOW!! What those in power want, THEY GET and it doesn't matter how they get it!! This is my REALITY! I'm not even sure I'm a Democrat anymore because of what I've seen these many years! So many people are simply APATHETIC and are only NOW getting concerned because their pocketbooks are getting squeezed. What are they going to do about it??? NOTHING! They'll take it and kick and scream, but still sit on their asses!

So you can call out John Edwards if you like, but he gave his heart to TELL THE PEOPLE and he was "kicked out" whether ANYONE believes it. I DO NOT want him to endorse either candidate, I don't like what is happening to Obama and especially those who are orchestrating it, but I also don't think Obama is as pristine and so many believe. That's just my opinion and I really won't be involved in any campaign for either candidate. Say what you will, I'm not dissing him, I just don't support him.

But I will say this, IF he does make it to the WH... don't be surprised if he gets a bullet in his head, and we WILL NEVER know WHO did it. Conspiracy theories will abound as they have with Kennedy, but I feel that we haven't learned a DAMN thing in 40 plus years! And as I've heard too many times... The South Will Rise Again! I denounce those words, but there aren't enough blacks in the south to get him elected. As I understand it, in America blacks only make up around 15% of the population. White Supremacy still exists and it exists in the south more than some know.

It's time for REVOLUTION but I don't think enough people even care that much anymore, so I've decided after far too many years of activism that I will now turn it over to those 45 and younger. It YOUR time to REVOLT, it's YOUR time to make your voice heard en masse, because IF THEY DON'T SEE YOU, your letters, petitions and anything else may well be ignored. Has anything gotten done yet??



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ray of light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:56 PM
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132. The DNC always holds peoples a$$es out to fend for themselves...look at Gore and Kerry
Prime examples of an AWOL party. That's why I will only donate to an individual!
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:26 PM
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183. There is a HUGE difference between the Democratic Party of
2000 & 2004. It is named Howard Dean. Dean has said he will stay out of the primary until the nominee is decided and he has. If Obama, or Clinton, is the nominee, I expect Howard to be out front fighting off every swifty, slimy, muddy, 527 fabrication.

I am happy to be a sustaining contributor to the DNC under the good Doctor's care, as well as donate locally.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:42 AM
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214. But in staying "out" of the primary. . he allows repugs
to savage BOTH potential candidates. I wish he would step up and publicly defend BOTH against repug smears..AND I wish that he would pound on BOTH when EITHER crosses the line and uses repug arguments against the other.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:38 AM
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240. Right.
This has ceased to be about Dean telling Hillary to cut it out--it's about Dean stepping up to the plate and calling the media out for the sensationalist, ratings-whore fuckasses that most of them are. I don't expect him to defend Obama from Hillary--but I do expect him to say something to the right-wing media.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:35 AM
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257. Exactly - Dean is working to WIN FOR ALL DEMS. McAuliffe was in a holding pattern awaiting
the day he could start OPENLY working for Hillary2008.
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odelisk8 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:58 PM
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277. hillary has her reasons to be quiet
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:36 PM
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2. The DNC should at the LEAST get in there and defend against this with Palsly etc
...the double standards on FAUX news is outragous
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:54 AM
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232. It should have been done immediately after Wright hit the M$M. (nt)
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ebdarcy Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:38 PM
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3. K&R
I don't understand it either. I don't know why our leaders aren't out in force. This was an amazing speech. This was a Democratic speech. As OMC stated so eloquently in his post, the speech that Obama gave yesterday is a speech that true Democrats applaud. So I don't know why they're not coming out in support of it. Are they afraid of being accused of playing favorites? Are they afraid of getting their hands dirty and being associated with Jeremiah Wright? Or is it because our Democratic leaders have forgotten what it means to be true democrats? Even if they don't support Obama for the nomination, they should be able to acknowledge his speech and the unfairness of the Wright attacks. Nothing Wright said compares to the filth that is spewed by the right-wing preachers. And those right-wing preachers are never disavowed. In fact, their hatred and endorsement is courted by the republicans. So, why aren't our leaders more visible in regard to this subject? The attacks and the subsequent speech are about more than just the nomination, and our leaders should know that.
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:49 PM
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150. Can't we DEMAND they take some kind of a stand on this for crying out loud?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:11 AM
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223. The media won't put good PROGRESSIVES ON.
The progressive radio station (the ONLY progressive
station in my area) has gotten rid of the
progressives in their line-up.

Thank the stars that Thom Hartman is back from Darfur safely!

Was it just a coincidence that he went during the Progressive
America meeting week?
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redstate_democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:40 PM
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4. kick
I don't know. I think the party has done irreparable damage to itself. Black folks are not happy about this at all. The Republicans must be so happy.
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mhoran Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:45 PM
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91. Call me foolish...
...but I believe there is something happening in this country that is more powerful than the DNC, more powerful than the MSM, and more powerful than all the dirty tricks and tactics in the repug playbook. Real change is in the air.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:42 PM
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185. You are probably right, Have you read
"The End Of America by Naomi Wolf?"
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N4457S Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:31 PM
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266. Depends Upon...
...where you live. In southern states, no. In California, yes.
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N4457S Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:30 PM
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265. Insane...
...or not, I think there's a better-than-even chance he's gonna be President.

And come January 2009, the Democratic party may finally begin a badly needed realignment and reorganization.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:40 PM
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5. That's how I feel. I know John Kerry has been defending Obama throughout
the entire campaign, and defends him in his own state (Mass. went heavily toward Hillary). I also know Daschle has been very good, plus a few more. But what about the other big guns? This primary has gone on too long.

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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:41 PM
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6. Know what?
You are 100% spot-on correct. And this needed to be said.

:thumbsup:

Really terrific post.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:41 PM
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7. Well said
and dead-on accurate.

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:42 PM
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8. K&R. WELL SAID! n/t
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:46 PM
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9. You are so right the DNC and DLC is allowing the right wing to do a public "interogation" of
the black church. Hannity and O'Reilly are now basically calling for the investigation of black churches and possibly take away their tax-exempt status.

Very few of the Democratic leaders are coming out in public. The party is so far removed from the left it is not even funny any more.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:55 PM
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16. And some Democrats are joining in the flogging.
See some of the threads on this board.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:18 PM
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139. And we should ALL join in this JUSTIFIABLE "flogging" - for his INEXCUSABLE behavior
and LYING about it...
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:14 PM
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30. It's such a double standard
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:34 PM
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56. The silence serves their candidate...
The DLC and the DNC itself prefers Hillary Clinton. And want Hillary Clinton to be president. That's the deal. To preserve the oligarchy. And the DNC and the RNC are just one in the same at this point. When are people going to wake up and realize it is all smoke and mirrors? There is only one party at this point. And they serve themselves. Not the American people. And Barack Obama is a threat to them. The Democrats have to be careful. But their silence on this is very telling. To those who listen to the silence.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:50 PM
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61. You are right.
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N4457S Donating Member (415 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:34 PM
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268. The Democrats and Republicans...
...have been two heads of the same monster for many years.

I told someone here that I think we might have civil unrest if McCain takes a bunch of states in the south and rides them to victory. That would tell us there's no hope, the system is broken.
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Bigleaf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:46 PM
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10. K&R Great Post!!
I am also sick and tired of the Dems cowering in fear of the Right wing Repub Bullshit. It's time to fucking fight fire with fire. Fuck them all!
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:56 PM
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100. We just need to fight back and be the concern trolls
"If the Republicans continue with their race-baiting, they will alienate Americans on election day."
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:46 PM
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11. Absolutely a wonderful post.
I agree and proudly K&R this.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:47 PM
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12. You are 100% correct.
:thumbsup:
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Road Scholar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:49 PM
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13. Kick nt
:kick:
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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:55 PM
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18. wtf?
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:52 PM
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15. DNC did the same thing with Howard Dean, the people's choice in 2004
This is just one of the ways that the DLC/DNC manipulate so that their own hand-picked candidate (in this case, Hillary Clinton) becomes the Dem candidate.

That's how we got stuck with Kerry, who was destined to lose from the beginning.

So the DNC/DLC is right on schedule.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:03 PM
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105. You certainly are underinformed - Clintons were working AGAINST Kerry throughout
that period, as well as against Dean.

First noted in April2004:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=13354

Bill defending Bush for 3 weeks during his book tour.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/clinton.iraq/

Carville sabotaging Ohio Dem voters.
http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did_carville_tip_bush_off_to_kerry_strategy_woodward


Kerry didn't lose. RNC stole that election and Clinton-McAuliffe's DNC let them do it.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:28 PM
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146. Exactly
How could Hillary in 2008 possibly overtake an incumbent John Kerry? And that's why he could not be allowed to win. Additionally, how could she possibly hope to win over an incumbent Al Gore (which is why the DLC publicly asked Gore not to run in 2004). It's all about Hillary and what is in her best interests.

I heard today Lawrence O'Donnell correcting Dan Abrams on the date on which Hillary actually started running. O'Donnell, in his correction, said the day after Kerry lost in 2004. I believe the literally correct day was the day she left the White House with Bill, after having decided to run for the Senate seat in NY. That was to be her springboard into the Presidency.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:01 AM
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221. I think it was earlier - the day they decided to have her run for senate, because THAT was the first
step, and it was important to make certain that Gore wouldn't be in office, either.

Gore was too honest for Bush-ClintonInc.
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odelisk8 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:16 AM
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236. actually
i have read that bill and she made a pact together to both be president back when they got married! and there's nothing wrong with that. hillary has as much right to want to be president as anyone else and the only way to get to be president is to WORK to BE president...and we need to take our hats off to her for making a damn good run at it...that said, she is NOW doing more harm to the party and its front runner than she is HELPING herself...we dont always get what we want...as Democrats i think we know that feeling all too well...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:44 AM
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249. I don't care if she took a shot at it - but undermining and sabotaging 2000 and 2004 was NOT
the way to do it - and she is feeling the backlash from those who know what Clintons did to protect the Bushes and undermine our own party.

What TeamClinton did was EVIL - evil towards the Dem candidates, the voters, America's governance, and the world - we all have suffered these last 8 years.
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:41 PM
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283. Also Evil to the Iraqi People
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 03:49 PM by NikolaC
Also, let's not forget the victims of 9/11, people who have lost their jobs and homes. IF they did do this, it helped to cost many people their lives and livelihoods. :mad:
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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:55 PM
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17. "What he stands for is the very opposite of Jeremiah Wright's approach to White Racism."
So, he STANDS for the very opposite of Jeremiah Wright by SITTING in Wright's pew for 20 years feeding the collection plate.

That's some leadership right there, uh huh.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:04 PM
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22. This might surprise you, but Church is not all about white people.
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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:11 PM
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25. Is there a DU Hall of Infamy for stupid rebuttals?
I'm certain yours would make it.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:28 PM
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34. Speaking of a DU Hall of Infamy for stupid posts....
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:29 PM
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:43 PM
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58. I'll second that
No person who has been a member of this board would relentlessly use a specious right-wing attack (because that is what this preacher crap is) in the service of dividing the party by weakening the presumptive overall winner of the primaries.

I have lost patience with it.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:44 PM
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296. How many thousands of times are you going to accuse people of "right-wing attacks", Zodiak?
Edited on Fri Mar-21-08 03:45 PM by mtnsnake
Whenever it irks you that someone is criticizing your precious idol, all you ever do is preach from your soapbox how they're handing out right wing attacks. Some of you Obamaites have the thinnest skin on the planet.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:44 PM
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126. You may find yourself sitting somewhere next to the top also.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:25 PM
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263. I Have TWO Bumper Stickers On My Car That Have Been There Since
BEFORE 2004. Once says "We Need A Patch For Stupidity" and another that says "Stupidity Should Be Painful!"

In reality, I'm the one in PAIN! And millions of others here in America are too! Hit the streets before you don't have enough money to DO ANYTHING!! Hit the streets like we did during Viet Nam with overwhelming numbers... maybe something will happen!!!

How many have seen the pictures from back then, the mall in D.C. was OVER FLOWING and the voices were loud and Nixon was very very AFRAID!!!

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:59 PM
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134. Church is about finding the best deal in comfort after ya croak, isn't it?
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 09:00 PM by 0007
Consumers
for
Christ

Don't suspect your neighbor
Report Him
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:12 PM
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26. STFU.


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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:27 PM
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82. Way to not get it...
you are part of the problem.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:20 PM
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142. Nope - WE "get it" - it's YOU cultists that "don't get it"...
thankyouverymuch...
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:10 AM
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189. ROFLMAO...
I voted for Edwards. And, no one in the Obama camp is any more "cultist" than anyone in the Clinton camp.
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dcindian Donating Member (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:57 PM
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19. quite honestly a good number of them participated with glee
I have no doubt there were face splitting grins when this resurfaced. I agree with your post whole heartedly the party leaders so afraid to take a liberal stance have failed us in the most basic of ways. Not only in this but in any real progressive issues for a long long time.



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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:00 PM
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20. "If hard pressed I think this is mainly the dirty work of the Republican Partisans."
They want to hamper whoever is the "front runner" in the Dem Race in order to make this go on as long as possible.

You're partially right, but there's actually more to it. They actually want Hillary to win. And they are afraid of Obama. They want to do their dirty work against him now while they can deny that it was they who did it. Once he's the nominee, if they use race against him it comes right back on them and makes them look bad, and they know it. So that's why they're doing it now. The fact that it prolongs the Dem race is just a bonus -- they really want to do Obama in BEFORE he can secure the nomination.
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:02 PM
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21. It is a good thing, if he survives he has been vetted
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thevoiceofreason Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:08 PM
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23. Beautiful post. Let's get to work.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:13 PM
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27. They've also been standing by while Hillary gets a whipping, and when Kerry and Gore did too.
Let's face it - the Dem Party is pretty damn wimpy.
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:59 PM
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70. I don't know how they live with themselves.
The Democratic "leadership" have consistently been the most craven bunch of cowards imaginable. Whenever one of their own experiences any kind of downturn in their fortunes, they clear the room and let the candidate in question twist in the wind.

The Republicans may be a bunch of psychopaths, but they always stand together, no matter how wrong they are. It's unfortunate that our party is incapable of backing up its candidates when they're in trouble.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:13 PM
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28. Great post
I enjoyed reading it. K&R
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thoughtcrime1984 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:14 PM
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29. Wonderfully said! K&R
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:24 PM
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31. The Democratic Party will lose the black community over this.
They will lose the election over this.

All over a lack of leadership and fear.

If they don't step up now, they never, ever will.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:27 PM
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33. agreed
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:30 PM
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36. They have to take a stand. The party will implode.
And no amount of Bill going to black churches will take the stink off of this political end-run.

They can sit back and watch the party destruct or they can act decisively.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:09 PM
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75. it's the future of the Democratic base that's in play here
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:06 PM
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39. The DLC is not one whit different from the Repugs.
Clinton, Pelosi, Feinstein, etc are all DLC.

THe only difference is that rather than parading around as wolves, they parade around as
wolves in sheep's clothing.

That is the only difference.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:04 PM
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47. They will lose a lot of progressive liberals who care about the black community, too. It is criminal
that they are silent. Standing by, watching.
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Shae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:43 PM
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59. 100% agree
By all counts, Obama has won the nomination.
If he is robbed of it, I think many black voters will never vote for a Democrat again.
And who can blame them?
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:19 PM
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262. I agree. And speaking only for myself, I've seen this being....
...played out at my work-place during political discussions.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:27 PM
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32. Very good post. k&r.
You and I have had some fierce disagreements about universal healthcare, and your post here helps me understand where you are coming from on that and other subjects.

I think that medical residents are treated very badly in this country. In essence, residents are indentured servants. I could get into my opinions about how we could change that, but that's for another thread.

I agree 100% with your OP and I too am very disappointed to see the Democratic Party standing by while this goes on. They did the same to John Kerry even after he was the nominee.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:35 PM
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37. Un grand
k&R, mon brave! BRAVO!!!
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atal Donating Member (191 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:46 PM
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38. Are the Democratic Heads mostly for Clinton....
....which is why they are remaining silent as Obama takes a whipping?

Are Super-delegates also mostly for Clinton?? (it seems likely)

Maybe the time for Obama is not yet here! Maybe the Establishment and Washington are still too strong to be kicked out of the White House!
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JAbuchan08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:55 AM
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205. I've read that both pledged and elected superdelegates lean toward Obama
it is only appointed party officials (those who have no accountability to the Dem grassroots) of whom the majority lean Clinton.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:09 PM
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40. Excellent post. Thanks for
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 05:09 PM by truedelphi
Detailing your reaction to the residency issue.

My girlfriend Teri had her life saved by a resident about a year ago.

In his spare time he woul dvisit every patient that he came in contact with. He ofund out that she had a bubble/clot in her lungs and he reversed the doctor's order that prohibited her from being on oxygen and several other things.

This extended her life by about two years.

I have never forgotten him for his success in helping his patient, despite his long hours. (THough I htink these days the residents re not allowed to be as mistreated as they were a decade or two ago.)
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TragedyandHope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:09 PM
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41. Excellent post!
K&R
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Insomnicole Donating Member (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:31 PM
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42. I couldn't agree more.
This is making me so angry; I'm glad I'm not the only one. As we saw on Tuesday, Barack can certainly take care of himself and fight his own battles, but he shouldn't *have* to. How the hell is it that one of the most insightful and reasonable comments I saw about Wright came from Mike Huckabee? Why is it that a Republican had the stones to say "Look, folks -- Wright has some good reasons to be angry," but you can hear the crickets chirping on our side of the aisle? What the hell?
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:41 PM
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43. Not only Huckabee, but John McCain defended Obama.
A few weeks back when Obama's name was being used as red meat at a Republican rally in favor of McCain, he repudiated the tactic. Now Mike Huckabee goes public in response to Obama, and I heard Byron York from the National Review say favorable things about the speech on the News Hour. I appreciate the OP very much; it reminds us that the goal here is for greater unity for all of us. We seem deluded at times by thinking that only Barack Obama's campaign is at stake. How much heart does the Democratic party have for repudiating racism? And all this on top of the failure to call out stolen votes in the 2000/4 elections (except for Barbara Boxer).

I'm waiting for my good liberal senator, Russ Feingold, to speak out on this one. At least he voted for Obama!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:00 AM
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233. Hi jonestonesusa...
welcome to DU. :hi:
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:21 AM
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252. Thank you - happy to be here!
So I can talk politics more often than I already do!
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:46 PM
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44. This resonates with me on many levels
The Democratic Party is wasting its time watching Obama get swiftboated on race by the echo chamber while a fading white candidate named Hillary Clinton boasts about her ability to get the white vote in Democratic primaries. It's criminal negligeance on the part of our so-called leaders, none of whom have a fraction of the guts of Obama politically speaking.

I also love your point about the human success story that is Jeremiah Wright. I could live another ten lifetimes and not accomplish as much. In demonizing him, the MSM also marginalizes his many achievements, which is another way of dehumanizing the thousands of black lives that he has touched for the better.

K&R
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:54 PM
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65. Yes--well-said.
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NEDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:02 PM
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45. What a great post!!
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TexasLady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:02 PM
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46. You Just said Verbally what I Feel Practically Bursting out of my heart
All I can add is this

Without suffering, there can be no compassion.



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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:11 PM
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48. Well said.
We must not allow ourselves to be divided.

:dem:

-Laelth
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:12 PM
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49. K&R.
Thank you for putting this down in words.
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cyberspirit Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:15 PM
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50. Thank You
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 06:19 PM by cyberspirit
You expressed my thoughts as well and so beautifully. The idea
that Barack Obama, a man that surpasses most in integrity,
wisdom, and evolved thinking can be brought down by ignorance
and low level politics bruises my soul. 

I'm becoming extremely frustrated with a political system that
encourages such character assassination and allows our
Presidents to be chosen by unaware voters, dirty politics, and
corporate manipulation.

I am a Michigan voter who did not vote, because I knew my vote
wouldn't count. Every candidate signed a statement agreeing
that Michigan & Florida votes would not count. To now make
Michigan & Florida a campaign issue and blame Obama in the
process is inexcusable.

If Senator Obama does not become our next President, it will
not be because he isn't the absolute best choice, it will
instead be a result of a political process that thrives on
ignorance, fear, and greed.

We can only hope that for once the aware and intelligent
citizens of this country come together and offer a voting
block so huge that it surpasses the ignorance, the fear and
the greed and elects Barack Obama for President. 
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:35 PM
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160. Welcome to DU cyberspirit!
I hope along with you that enough Americans will be intelligent enough to put Barack Obama into office!
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:15 PM
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51. Maybe I'm a Pollyanna...
...but I am assuming that behind-the-scenes Obama has an overwhelming tidal wave
of support from establishment Democrats and many others in the Democratic party.

I assumed they were supporting him, giving him guidance and letting him know, "Hey,
I support you and you know that, but this is your race and your fight, but please
know we are all pulling for you."

It was wonderful when the Kennedy's gave Obama those multiple, powerful endorsements.
However, they came during a time when Bill and Hillary were acting like maniacal wolves,
running against a Republican in the GE. It was obvious that the Kennedy endorsements
were sincere, but it also appeared that the endorsements were a clear signal to the
Clintons to STFU and quit playing dirty. I'm assuming that everyone noticed that
Ted repudiated and smashed every single one of Hillary's dirty talking points. She
no longer states, "I'm ready on day one!" and insinuates that Obama is not, because Ted
vouched for Obama's readiness. He also emphasized that Obama opposed the war from the
start, "regardless of what others are saying." That was a direct slam against Clinton.

My sense is that the high-level Dems who want Obama--and that's most of the stalwarts--are
staying out of it because they don't want to give the appearance that they are rescuing Obama.
If they come in and defend, defend, defend--it might leave the door open for people to wonder
if he can manage these fights without Kennedy, Pelosi, Dodd or Richardson saving him.

Obama probably wants it that way, and the party Dems probably feel that Obama must fight
these battles and win them on his own terms.

We've seen glimmers of support from many Dems. The Kennedys, Kerry, Dodd, Richardson, Pelosi,
and many others. Harry Reid's son works on the Clinton campaign, so he's most likely for
Clinton.

Again, I may be a Pollyanna, but I am thinking that he's got massive amounts of support and
great advice coming at him from these people.

It's obvious that Hillary Clinton's support was soft and mostly fear based. She touted
her inevitability and used it to power up on people, "Don't want to piss off the future Queen,
now do we?". Now that it's almost certain that she won't win--she no longer has that leverage.
That's why the Supers are breaking for Obama.

I think the Dems will come out, closer to the end of this primary--but for right now, I think
they're supporting and helping Obama behind the scenes.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:30 AM
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193. From your lips to god's ears, Two Sparkles. I surely hope you're right.
:hug:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:02 AM
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234. I like your way of thinking.
Let's hope you're right.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:20 PM
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52. What influence will Wright have on an Obama presidency?
That's the fundamental question, and we all know the answer (HINT: It won't, not in a negative way)

Obama will not push for bills that hurt White America or American in general, etc.

By contrast, McCain's religious nuts want more war in the middle east to hasten the rapture not to mention anti-choice, anti-gay legislation, and McCain WILL push for things related to those items, to get support from the religious right and also because more wars have other benefits related to profit and imperialism.

That is the difference, and it's enormous.
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kaygore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:21 PM
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53. Wow! You have said it all.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:23 PM
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54. Kicked. Rec'd. Bookmarked. OMG, THANK YOU for this fantastic message. n/t
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goletian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:27 PM
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55. AMEN!!!!!!! and im not a religious person, btw... or black. WELL SAID!!!!!! - nt
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:37 PM
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57. K&R!
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:46 PM
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60. I agree--well-said. I am appalled that so few high-profile Dems
did NOT rally around him the last week or so. Even if they support Hillary, they should have stuck up for him and fought the guilt-by-association smear job with all they had--the GOP defends their own, and continues to embrace their horribly racst/discriminatory/anti-American preachers and religious nuts. They left him largely on his own, too cowardly as a party to defend his character, to defend blacks, to demand that the REAL issues be covered or that equal attention be given to Republican hate-mongering--and I am deeply upset by that. God bless Obama for being a strong enough candidate to rise to the occasion on his own.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:50 PM
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62. Can Someone Find Me a DNC Statement on the Hillary Nutcracker? No? How About "Iron My Shirt?"
I can't wait.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:54 PM
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67. Both products of Hillary's grossly stupid campaign strategists.
Oh wait, you're pretending they weren't.
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:25 PM
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81. or chris matthews patting her face.
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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:53 PM
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63. what a wonderful post! you have to send it out to
the world.
to Olberman, Pelosi, I don't know exactly who but this has to GET OUT THERE, it is that Good!

rec'd
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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:44 PM
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90. I AGREE. THIS SHOULD GET OUT
one of the best posts ever.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:53 PM
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64. He's on his own, just like Kerry was. If he gets whacked, Hillary's "ready."
Welcome to 2004 all over again.
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:54 PM
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66. Thank you, Bread and Circus!
This grasping at straws by focusing most of the attention on portions of J. Wright's
speech is ridiculous!

Somehow, Obama is vilified and his character is questioned because Wright has been his minister?

Obama has answered the questions and done so in one of the best speeched I've heard in a long time.

Enough!

You have put into words what I have been feeling since the J. Wright story emerged.

The Democrats need to present a united front to counter the Repug slime machine.

Thank You!

:dem: :applause:
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Blomst Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:56 PM
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68. From the Bottom of My Heart, Thank You!
"Democrats of all colors have to stand up and say enough is enough, and we are drawing a line in the sand and though Wright may not look pretty at times, he is still one of us. YOU WILL NOT divide us and YOU WILL NOT conquer us. Limbaugh, Hannity, and the rest, you ARE NOW THE MINORITY and if you want to join us then all you have to is open your mind, change your heart, and change your ways."

You made my day. I have been grieving all day with profound disbelief as I have witnessed this travesty unfold in the news and on the blogs. Your words give me comfort and courage!
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:06 PM
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136. Welcome to DU!
:hi:

:hug:
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:59 PM
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69. Again, call out McSame and his pandering for John Hagee's support.
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:00 PM
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71. Very true. Thank you for saying it. n/t
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:00 PM
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72. soo soo true. The DNC is running out of time
2 strikes: FL in '00 and OH in '04. 3 strikes will mark the end of this charade.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:04 PM
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73. Exactly - Gore, Kerry and Dean as DNC chair have all taken hits without the party machine steppi
Kerry was on Ed Schultz the other day defending Obama on Pastor Wright and Iraq.

I believe that if Obama was a Senator in 2004, he would have had Kerry's back.


We KNOW how Hillary finds cameras to defend other Dems being attacked and smeared, don't we?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dk1k0nUWEQg

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:51 PM
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96. Glad to hear Kerry was
on Schultz's defending Obama on Wright and Iraq.

Not sure how Obama needs to be defended on Iraq, but no doubt they thought of something.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:00 PM
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103. The experience issue. Kerry is great advocating on that.
.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:03 PM
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106. Oh yeah, where Obama had the good sense
to not go in and now Kerry is helping others to see that..I think that is a fantastic turn of events.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:05 AM
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235. Jesus. I couldn't watch the whole clip. I stopped after "inappropriate".
:puke:
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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:05 PM
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74. Great post
The DNC has time and time again proven itself to be spineless in defending our candidates. Most of them have looked more like sacrificial lambs sent to slaughter than viable candidates. It is time for all of us, Clinton and Obama supporters to stand up against racism AND sexism.
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Fyddlestyx Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:10 PM
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76. kicked and recommended
Excellent post!
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:14 PM
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77. Exactly. He does a fine job standing up for himself but
Where is his support? One thing you can always count on with the republicans is they protect their own no matter. Obama's Super's should be coming out of the wood work to defend him. Especially after that great speech yesterday. I understand they may have wanted to see how he handles himself with it first. Well, he did yesterday and surpassed most every ones expectations.
Now, it's time for his supers to step up and back Obama.

I new I would get mad but I did it any way today. I turned it on the Hannity radio show and I was thoroughly discussed. Hannity talked as if Obama and Wright were the same and then for the next 5 minutes ( I had to turn it after this) he played the most hate filled speeches from other churches and tried to tie Obama to those too. It was just disgusting. I'm sure this will be a daily thing for a long time.

On a lighter note. The next primary election and the gen election is weeks and months away. The voters really do seem to have a short term memory and vote quite a bit on what has happened with in the current week. So Obama shouldn't have much problem making up lost ground.

But for now, come on supers. Help a brother out..




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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:50 PM
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167. Yes they should
Rachel Maddow said today that the SD's should have their own primary and settle this thing sooner rather than later and she is right. FL and MI aren't doing a do over so Hillary can't win. Why keep this up for 3 more months. Why let Mush Limpballs fuck up the primaries playing his games. Let Obama fight McCain especially since his gaff about Iraq and Iran.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:19 PM
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78. And why not?
They have stood by and allowed the Clintons to be their whipping posts for the greater part of two decades.
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Nightjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:21 PM
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79. Thank you B&C
That was one of the best posts I have seen here in a very long time.
It reminds me of the "good old days" at DU.
It's people like you that keep me hanging around here despite all of the bullshit fighting and name calling..
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:24 PM
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80. That's the best post I've ever read on DU...
The.very.best.

You hit the nail on the head. And, everyone who does not stand up with Obama, whether or not they will vote for him, and everyone who uses this as a political tool to help their candidate, be it Clinton or McCain should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

Excellent. The.very.best.

I am standing with you and with Obama, and if the Democratic Party doesn't want to stand with us, then fuck them. The Republican Party is already a bunch of lame fucks.

This issue is bigger than party. This is the right thing to do.

Thank you for saying it so simply, yet so eloquently.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:28 PM
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83. Are you just as angry about
the way the party treated Cynthia McKinney?

The way the party treats Dennis Kucinich?

It's not like Obama is the first to feel the right-wing talking head lash.

What did Obama say and do about McKinney's crisis?

Has he backed DKs efforts to support and defend the Constitution? Did he have his back when the party power holders went after him in his primary?

How is Obama different in this respect than Edwards, Gore, Clinton, Richardson, and Pelosi?

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:25 PM
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145. Yep. First they came for the politicians further to the left--
--but I was a centrist and didn't say anything. We all know how that one turned out.
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tomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:31 AM
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226. LWolf, eridani,
i'm with you!!!! where was obama when mckinney was cut loose or when kucinich was not allowed to debate? he was too busy "running for president" to come to the defense of the truth. god forbid an uppity black woman should get in bush's face and expect any help from the party or from obama.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:42 AM
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230. Yes, we do.
I am blessed, or cursed, depending on one's point of view, with a long memory. :(
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:35 PM
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84. You've really earned my respect
Your post is one of the best I've read here in a long time. Great insight.

Thanks.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:37 PM
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85. Hi, Steve,
:hi: I have to say that this post puts your post about the flag now #2 on my list of best posts at DU.

Good to see you. :hi:
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:52 PM
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98. Sa-LUTE!
:hi:

We know a good post when we see one.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:40 PM
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86. I listened to Hannity today and he is really fucked up this time.
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 07:40 PM by jefferson_dem
It was the most disgusting shit. The cretin is trying to link this good man to all sorts of black militant radicals. The longer we stay divided, the more difficult it will be to combat this shit.

Come on Dems! Let's do this!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:44 PM
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89. Let me make a really wild suggeStion...if you want less Hannity, TURN HIM OFF --!!!
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:22 PM
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120. I was saying the same thing about Hannity. He is disgusting
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:41 PM
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87. I just e-mailed every word of this post to the DNC.
Thank you. I urge others to do the same.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:42 PM
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88. Why are you watching the crap on TV . .. .. ????
If you watch them, you are supporting them --- !!!

Turn off the TV and go do something else . . . !!!

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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:46 PM
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92. Fox and CNN are reprising their '04 roles as Swiftmaster Generals
and they'll do it whether anybody watches or not. :shrug:
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:03 PM
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107. You know, I haven't seen reports in a very long time about the networks .. . .
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 08:05 PM by defendandprotect
it been years ---

but at that time they had a way reduced audience ---

And CNN was astonishing . . . went from like 13 million when Turner had it to 3 milllion . . .

so even if they want to ignore profits in order to block any truth there will be limits in

how far they can go ---

We should check into how many viewers they have now --- ???

You or me . . . ?

I can put it on my list --- and we can both try?


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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:22 PM
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143. umm - it's not "swiftboating" if it's the TRUTH...
what the "swiftboaters" did to Kerry was spread LIES - we're just broadcasting the TRUTH...

it DID happen, after all...

BIG DIFFERENCE...

too bad you can't see it...
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:29 PM
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157. You're talking about the sermon sound bytes?
I don't watch either propaganda channel so I haven't had the pleasure, but what other purpose than swiftboating would such broadcasts possibly serve? :shrug:
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dempartisan23 Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:46 PM
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93. our leadership is in hiding
they are afraid to attack mccain and defend obama.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:47 PM
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94. This is the primary, folks. The DNC does not take sides. Hilary would have been protected from MSM
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 07:49 PM by McCamy Taylor
lies for the past year if they did. That is how long Fox has been harping on about Whitewater, Vince Foster, her so called lesbian affair with her aid (that Village Voice Michael Mustow started the rumor) , her satanism, Bill's affairs, etc. See my journal "The Press v. Hillary III: Leaping Lesbians".

Obama needs to learn to handle the right wing conspiracy the way that Hillary does if he is going to play with the big boys. All on his lonesome. The next Democratic President will get exactly what the Clinton's got. Every single day.

You did not think that the Clintons got it because they deserved it, did you? Foolish Dems.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:58 PM
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102. I listened to Terry McAuliffe on Laura Ingraham's show, trying to
entice Laura's mostly-GOP listeners to vote for Hillary on TX and OH's primary day, during the same show where Laura had her callers call up and describe voting for Hillary and having to take a shower afterward--all in an attempt to skew the Dem race. It was sickening, that the Clintons complain about the VRWC all the while going on shows like Ingraham and Limbaugh. She gets no media pity party from me, sorry--not when she uses RW media.
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gorenobel Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:49 PM
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95. dems. stood idly as HIl was called smeared by a group called C.U.N.T.
And as she and her husband were accused of racism, when there wasn't any.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:08 PM
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112. Yes, but that was only the Clintons, Obama is the new fad.

Jump on board now and be one of the Kool-aid Kids!
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:30 AM
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254. It's my opinion that the mainstream party figures should be counted
whether swiftboating is directed at Clinton, Kerry, or Obama.

BTW, what's up with the cheap stereotypes about Obama supporters? We all support democratic values - why not discuss them thoughtfully here?
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:51 PM
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97. Bread! This is the post of the month.
And I'm sending it everywhere!

Good on ya for putting the thoughts down, bro! (or sis!)

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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:53 PM
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99. K&R
i agree, wtf this party is starting to look like a piece of shit
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HuffleClaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:58 PM
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101. they stood by when Dean was deliberately and deceptively taken down too
nary a peep then too.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:01 PM
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154. I remember that well!
it makes oe wonder about the DNC
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shallowthroat Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:04 PM
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108. I've been thinking the same thing
Excellent insight. Well stated.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:06 PM
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109. K&R
:thumbsup:

:kick:
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:07 PM
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110. Just incredible. Thank you so much. 'Nother recommend! nt
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:08 PM
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111. Totally agree with you
Its shameful to see the DNC cowering before the right wing haters as they savage Obama 27/7 on hate radio and in the MSM.

The problem is the DLC. It has split the party in two and weakened it from within.

I think the progressives are afraid of the DLC neocon wing of the dem party lead by Hill and Bill.

The DLC gives aid and comfort to right wing haters because they pray the wingnuts will destroy Obama.

The reich wing is unleashing a torrent of vicious racial hatred against Obama and now it seems all AA christians and churches.

How the hell can people like Gore and Edwards sit back in silence while these hateful smears go unanswered?

I expect the KKK, nazi and white power groups to gain strength from all the hate blaring 24/7 from hate radio and Fox news shills in their efforts to destroy Obama.

It starts with Obama, but the vitriol, viscous smears and hate won't end there dems. Count on that!

Can AA church bombings be far behind?:scared:

I feel like the racial hatred of the 60's era are coming back.:cry:
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:09 PM
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113. "we are good enough to vote for you,
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 08:10 PM by reflection
but apparently we (are) not good enough for you to vote for us."

That's it in a nutshell. Well said, by whomever the blogger is you reference.
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Oslo Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:10 PM
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114. Moving post!
I'm white, never been an intern, but grew up with a mentally ill parent who went undiagnosed through my entire young life so I know what it's like to suffer. I wish Edwards, Gore, Dean would come out and give support to Obama. I think America thinks he looks weaker having to deal with this on his own.
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UALRBSofL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:11 PM
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115. I really believe the OP needs to reevaluate Obama's treatment by the media
I don't believe Obama is being treated nearly as bad by the MSM as Clinton is. As a matter of fact I believe they are much more fair and balanced to Obama then they are for Clinton.

Here are just a few links that support my argument:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Tayl...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:14 PM
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116. it's a Primay they can't and shouldn't
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:17 PM
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117. The ISSUE is the RIGHT WING CORPORATE MEDIA PROPAGANDA MACHINE !!
CBS ("CONSTANT BULL SHIT") Evening News (for example) is entirely ANTI-Obama. It is plain as day and sickening as hell. We don't have a real media in the country. We have right wing corporate CRAP ! Tonight CBS said Obama was "against a re-vote in MI and FL". UNTRUE ! TOTAL DAMN LIE !! He is explicitly FOR re-votes or other ways to seat those delegates as long as the process is FAIR and certified by the DNC.

So this is the problem. The MSM is pure corporate propaganda CRUD, and the left needs to build our own much fairer alternative media.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:19 PM
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118. Yes. They did the same thing when Clinton was getting reamed by the press with lies and distortions
But, so did Obama.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:21 PM
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119. Scrubs
"There is more truth in that show about the field of medicine than in any medical drama I ever saw." Amen. I've been saying this for years, and people always look at me like I'm crazy.
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Ninga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:32 PM
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121. Props to you for calling it as it is....thank you for the thought and effort you put into
this post.

Thank you for following Obama's lead and telling it like it is.


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skater314159 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:33 PM
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122. K&R - from another "poor" person who just finished an internship...
... and is not looking forward to my residency - you are 100% right. (I was raised by a single dad - so I kinda know where you are coming from!) Thanks for the great OP!

:dem:
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:36 PM
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123. Your post moved me to tears.
K&R
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canadian_is_cold Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:39 PM
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124. K&R
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:43 PM
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125. I don't think I've ever read a better post in my near 7 years on this site.
At this moment, I love you with the force of a thousand suns.

So yesterday, after my third watching of Obama's amazing speech, I started to get the sense that not only was I seeing a great leader eloquently talking to us as adults and telling us like it is but that I was also seeing Obama take a public whipping for all of us. He had the courage to apologize for Wright's incendiary language as well as apologize for the racism and resentment that exists on both sides. He did it partly for his political career, but I think he also did it because he just plain had to. If he hadn't spoken up in contrition, this was likely to continue to deepen the racial divide and serve as a yet another brick in the wall that separates White from Black. He took the whipping so the rest of us didn't have to.

Maybe some will not get the analogy, but I do, and I wholeheartedly concur. This man, Barack Obama, has taken hits from the right-wing, from the Clinton campaign, from a host of television networks (namely Faux), and even in the face of what would have knocked any other candidate out of contention, he is still standing. And he's not only standing; he's fighting for us and for our right to a just, honest, and open government. How can we NOT stand up for that, if not for the man himself? How can we NOT tell the right-wingers and the smearing thugs to step the F*CK BACK because we're not having any of it, again.

NOT THIS TIME.

It dismays me that Obama is seemingly left alone to fight these battles. That's why you see people like Kos and Olbermann and Randi and Stephanie and Rachel stand up and attempt to shut down some of the slander. People mistakenly think that these progressive people are "shilling for Obama." Honestly, I think they care less about Obama the man and more about the ideas of unity, reconciliation, and a government responsive to the needs of its citizens that Obama represents.

We failed Gore. We failed Kerry. Fool me three times? I don't think so.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:45 PM
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127. I'm waiting for Hillary to give a speech about RACE. Oh wait she doesn't HAVE to
and won't bother. Will she even have a substantive debate on women's issues rather than shout out "It's time for a woman in the WH!!!!"? I doubt it.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:23 PM
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144. hillary could say something about the ERA admendment
that still is alive..well it`s on life support. after all women still are not equal in america. nope, not a peep out of her on this issue..
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:43 PM
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164. Where was Obama when the MSM drove Edwards out of the race and called Hillary a Lesbian?
He was reveling in his good fortune.

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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:47 PM
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128. Sounds like the story of my life. Excellent Post.....bttft & recomened
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:49 PM
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129. K&R
:thumbsup:
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metalluk Donating Member (266 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:52 PM
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130. I don't understand what this sentence means
"we are good enough to vote for you, but apparently we not good enough for you to vote for us."

Is this sentence implying that a vote for Obama is a vote for black people, whereas a preference for for another candidate is a vote against black people?
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:51 PM
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186. Let me break it down for you
The Democratic party has been the recipient of a lot of black support for Presidential (POTUS) candidates over the years resulting from the civil rights movement.

Now we see someone from the black community who has a reasonable chance of being the Democratic candidate for POTUS, then we see him vulnerable to unsubstantiated attacks from the wackos without much backlash from the party.

So Obama supporters, not just black folks but anyone who is supporting him is wondering where is this support from the Democratic Party to beat off these unsubstantiated accusations and character assassinations? Is he not "good enough" to support?

Hope this helps!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:55 PM
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131. Thank you for such a great post. K & R.
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blackspade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:59 PM
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133. Sweet!
Excellently said Sir!

:toast:
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bagimin Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 08:59 PM
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135. K&R!
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:09 PM
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137. never dawned on me that they did`t say anything
"silence is death"
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:17 PM
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138. And that is GOOD - he should be "whipped" for this HORRIBLE error of judgement...
just the latest of MANY...

there is NO EXCUSE for this - NONE...
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Voice for Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:19 PM
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140. This is the best thing I have ever read on DU.
This should be published, please submit it to the NYT, soon, or the Washington Post or LATimes or Chicago Sun or SOMEWHERE SOON. Thank you.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:19 PM
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141. k&r! n/t
PB
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:40 PM
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147. Fantastic essay!
:applause:
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:43 PM
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148. Great post. And it's not just the Democratic establishment running scared.
The media refuses to characterize this "story" as the pure and utter shit it actually is.

Who, in the public eye, is supporting Obama on this? Nobody. He's had to do it all himself.

For those who questioned the man's toughness, I think he's answered any doubts many times over after going through this completely unjustified public lynching.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:44 PM
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149. Well said
K&R
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:54 PM
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151. Kicked, recommended and thank God for the 80 hour cap.
What you endured is, thankfully, a hell that I won't have to experience. Well, at least not for as many hours each week. ;)
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:56 PM
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152. Wonderful post! What stands out flashing in neon lights about your post is this:
"It's an undeniable fact that there's a coordinated effort to push the Jeremiah Wright story in a vastly slanted and misleading way. There's two main groups that benefit and they are obvious, the Republican Partisans and the Clinton Campaign."

That's the root of what's going on.

The Repukes know they'll lose if Obama runs. Meanwhile, H. Clinton wants to be president so bad she would kill for it, and the Repukes are trying to help her. They know against her, McCain will win.

Meanwhile, McCain is getting a free ride. Here we have a senile individual who doesn't know what he's talking about, who would sell this country for a nickle, and who will finish turning it into a 3rd world nation, and what are we doing? We're letting him get a free ride because Hillary Clinton is losing and refuses to accept it.

Pathetic.

I'll be glad when it's over and Obama is the nominee. Maybe then the general election campaigning can begin in earnest and we can stop bullshit games and crucifying black preachers for telling the truth and being angry.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 09:57 PM
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153. Its the nature of our current party leadership - extreme risk aversion.-nt
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Fresh_Start Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:16 PM
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155. Sir, if you are surprised...you must be thinking about a different democratic
party. Many of us in DU have notices a lack of courage on behalf of the democratic party members that you cited
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:24 PM
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156. The democratic party are not ALL Obama supporters.
Some actually support Hillary...so why should they publicly get involved
in supporting him. This is a PRIMARY...did you forget that? Sorry if I offended you as it's late and I don't have time to read that very long rant/post.
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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:33 PM
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158. Can't defend the undefendable
That's why the spin had to be cloaked in civil rights camo. Everyone paying attention knew Hillary's opponent lied and he was now doing damage control.
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:34 PM
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159. He bought that ticket, paid installments for 20 years, and he deserves the ride.
Edwards, Gore, Clinton, Richardson, Pelosi, and the rest of the talking Democratic heads didn't sit their ass in that church for 20 years listening to that racist, hostile bullshit and they didn't ask that "pastor" to baptize their children. Why the hell should they bail Obama out for his bad judgement?
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:38 PM
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162. "Well behaved women seldom make history" is in your sig line.
I agree. I also say that "well behaved people of color never make history" either.

Think about it.

You aren't fit to shine Reverend Wright's shoes for that post, Hoof Hearted.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:38 PM
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161. Here's the talking Dem heads you forgot: Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy Schlosberg...
California First Lady Maria Shriver, Durbin, Dashle, etc, no they all seem to understand instinctively that it's time for BO to be wearing his big boy pants cause they're all just standing there too. This *is* the presidency of the united states. BO's had his considerable leg up, and, for that matter, "a public whipping" is to grasp at an imagery not unlike Clarence Thomas once upon a time. And far from the pics of BO on the beaches of Hawaii as a child. Where are his supporters now? Not the ones here. But the big ones way back when it was cool to be cool.

Time to send in the clowns?


Life may well be just an episode of Scrubs. While others will disagree. Me, I've laid the trust, the care of my physical well-being into the palm of a black man's hand, as a dancer my tummy into his hand likewise; his hand at my inner thigh as I was tossed through the air and caught by yet another black man the scent of our physicality filling the stage...

There are cornerstones to relationships, 'trust' is one of them. Yet 'trust' is itself built upon a foundation. And so must be maintained. Maintain it not, and the relationship begins the teeter.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:41 PM
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163. The good guys stick together.
So do the crooks. :)
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:00 PM
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172. yeah, there is a pattern...
:):(
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:47 PM
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165. And when it came time to help that black man
You chose to put up a picture of a clown.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:58 PM
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169. That is not *that black man*, that is Pagliacci...
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:06 PM
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173. Obama is no jealous husband to you, my dear. nt
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:09 PM
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175. I don't even think you know what you're talking about.
How much less can you understand me? This...from a group of people that seek to take America in some 'new direction' when they are in fact unable to see past the tips of their noses. I call bullshit.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:14 PM
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179. Why don't you explain it to me then?
I'm familiar with Pagliacci as the jealous husband in an opera. What were you getting at?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:22 PM
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181. .......
Matters are at once more simple *and* complex than many BO supporters are able to absorb Send in the clowns...
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:36 PM
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184. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:40 AM
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241. You had my response removed?
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 10:01 AM by thecatburgler
What was offensive about it?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:37 AM
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247. i understand your need to point a finger at someone but it wasn't me...
i'm not only small potatoes i am but a little fish have a nice day
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:44 AM
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248. Still pedantic and pretentious this morning, I see.
I still have no earthly idea what you were talking about in your posts and that's a reflection of your inability to form a message, not my ability to comprehend.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:19 AM
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251. Someone was saving you from yourself, here is where you began your aspersion: pedantry...
Continuing on with your "pretentious" goofy-ass word chopping even this morning (like a funky street dope habit) declaring myself from within your cyber-anonymity as laboring beneath a "pedantry". I should be thanking you instead; though it is clearly thought now that you are simply not able to 'get it'

ped·ant·ry /ˈpɛdntri/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun, plural -ries.

1. the character, qualities, practices, etc., of a pedant, esp. undue display of learning.
2. slavish attention to rules, details, etc.
3. an instance of being pedantic: the pedantries of modern criticism.



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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This ped·ant·ry (pěd'n-trē) Pronunciation Key
n. pl. ped·ant·ries

Pedantic attention to detail or rules.
An instance of pedantic behavior.
The habit of mind or manner characteristic of a pedant.


Even the root you little understand:

ped·ant /ˈpɛdnt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person who makes an excessive or inappropriate display of learning.
2. a person who overemphasizes rules or minor details.
3. a person who adheres rigidly to book knowledge without regard to common sense.
4. Obsolete. a schoolmaster.


Methinks you're reaching for what it is I now consider you: pedestrian, check it, Homer!!

pe·des·tri·an /pəˈdɛstriən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a person who goes or travels on foot; walker.
–adjective
2. going or performed on foot; walking.
3. of or pertaining to walking.
4. lacking in vitality, imagination, distinction, etc.; commonplace; prosaic or dull: a pedestrian commencement speech.



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n. A person traveling on foot; a walker.

adj.
Of, relating to, or made for pedestrians: a pedestrian bridge.
Going or performed on foot: a pedestrian journey.
Undistinguished; ordinary: pedestrian prose.
See Synonyms at dull.



Ya'know what...don't have a nice day after all if it suits you. You may be the proof, that some people just don't deserve one.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:47 PM
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166. Obama has been going against a strong candidate, a former president, the republican nominee
and republican party, and the rightwing hate machine now turned up to full power. As you point out, he is on his own, left to fend for himself while the heavyweights of the dem party stand by silently as the rightwing hate machine attacks all of black America. Through it all, Barack Obama has shown not only strength, but also tremendous grace.
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LukeSkywalker Donating Member (36 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:56 PM
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168. Hillary and Murdoch
Does Hillary Clinton agree with everything Rupert Murdoch believes? That's what some of you guys seem to imply by saying Obama must feel exactly as Wright does on things.

Remember this story about Rupert Murdoch and Hillary Clinton teaming up for a fundraiser? Ask Hillary to distance herself from that:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/09/politics/main1600694.shtml
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:58 PM
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170. Thank You. Excellent Post nt
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:58 PM
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171. I can not resist---I TOLD YOU SO. When you stood by as Edwards and Hillary got smeared and slimed
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 11:05 PM by McCamy Taylor
and acted like it was all cool, because the MSM had treated Obama with kid gloves for a solid year, I warned you repeatedly that just as soon as Obama looked like serious contender for the nomination and not just someone nipping at Hillary's heels, the MSM would begin to slime him. And at that point, supporters of the other candidates who have had to listen to Obama supporters spread the lies that Edwards is just a White southern male stealing the anti-Hillary votes from Obama and that Hillary is a Bitch who feeds lies to Drudge and the Moonies---when those other candidates' supporters see Obama face the usual right wing media smear that all Democrats have to face, their response was not going to be Oh, poor Obama! We have to rush to his defense. He should be exempt from the attacks we had to weather!

It would be nice if every Democrats stood up for every other Democrat, however Obama set a very poor example when he decided, last fall to attack Hillary because Bob Novak said that Hillary had negative info about Obama. During the Iowa caucus, where people hate dirty tricks, Obama used Novak to accuse Hillary of thinking about dirty tricks. The story that followed was a WaPo stpry recycling Moonie Time's madrassa story a year ago--it had nothing to do with Hillary. And the pattern has continued. Media distortions and lies that your candidate seizes to use as splitter/baiter smears against Hillary so that he will not have to discuss the fact that on the issues very little separates them.

And now you have the nerve to blame Hillary because Obama's own selfishness in not distancing himself from Wright at the start of the campaign has hurt his campaign and Wright's Church. Obama needs to grow up and acknowledge his own mistakes. He is politically naive and short sighted. He focuses only on the primary as if getting the nomination is all that matters to him.

Hillary is not Obama's mother. If he made a strategic error, you can not blame her. What you are doing is called projection. It is childish and has no place in politics.

And no, Obama is not the presumptive nominee. Since he has decreed that Michigan and Florida can not be counted, he will never get 2024 votes, which means that it is up to the Superdelegates---and they will consider things such as whether or not Obama showed good judgment in failing to follow his pastor's advice when Wright suggested that he leave the Church in 2007. Rev. Wright is a fine man and so is his ministry, and he seems to have excellent judgment. Obama's political decision is another matter entirely. The Superdelegates will also consider whether we want a nominee whom the states of Florida and Michigan---important in the general---are now predisposed to dislike because they believe that he does not value their vote.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:26 AM
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191. !
:applause:


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youngharry Donating Member (231 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:18 AM
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195. I cannot resist telling you...
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 01:18 AM by youngharry
I cannot resist telling you that yor post is untrue and illogical. I was an Edwards supporter and never heard one bad thing from Obama about him.

IF WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE, DONT YOU FIND IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN WHY ALMOST ALL EDWARDS SUPPORTERS ARE NOW VOTING FOR OBAMA?
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:45 AM
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203. You are probably one of my favorite posters these days
I can't tell you how many nights I was furious at the attacks and lies about Edwards on here. :thumbsup:
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Phillycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:20 AM
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291. Excellent post! Wish I could nominate it.
This should be its own thread.
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:06 PM
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174. K&R! Time to get on the phone and email.
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:09 PM
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176. Ain't this the truth!! They just stand around with their mouths open, catching flies, I guess.
While the media and the Hillary camp go after him with a pitchfork.

Edwards is such a pussy, he wouldn't even defend Obama!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:11 PM
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177. The Democratic party is damaged for years to come as the racists in our party come out of the closet
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 11:11 PM by Major Hogwash
Like Geraldine "he's lucky he's black" Ferraro!!
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:12 PM
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178. Your mom did good. ;)
Thank you for such a cogent post. It's a breath of fresh air to come across posts such as this in forums which have, as of late anyway, been extremely toxic for me to spend much time in. I really hope your post speaks loudly to those who would stand idly by as Obama takes a lashing from the right-wing machine just because it's politically convenient to do so.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:19 PM
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180. Obama deserves every knock he's getting over this
He had 20 years to give this speech. He only gave it now out of political necessity.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:22 AM
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190. He first gave this speech in 1995: "Dreams from My Father: A Story of Race and Inheritance"
Books are your friend.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:49 AM
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220. No book inspired by a racist like Wright is a friend of mine, kiddo
Or any other sane person's.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:17 AM
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224. Could you be anymore ignorant? I mean Reeaally. Really.


Really.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:22 AM
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225. /yawn
You running low on kool-aid this morning? That was a pretty empty response there, even for an O-Bot.
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Melinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:34 AM
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227. Over your head then... sorry. Allow me to educate you.
Dreams from My Father and Audacity of Hope -- 2 different books. I mean really. :eyes:



And because I am a liberal, I'll say this slow so as not to confuse you further... You_____are_____now_____ignored._____Reeeaaallly.
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:40 AM
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229. They both come from the same bigoted source, little girl.
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 08:40 AM by Tarc
Come back when you want some more educating.
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monarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:17 PM
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261. Knew it was coming

After his speech, he said he knew all along that at some point he would probably have to make this speech. Why did he wait until a firestorm forced him to talk about it? He said he didn't know that Wright would be the catalyst. But, he knew Wright was a political problem long ago (eg. Wright's no show when he announced his candidacy).Why did he wait? Hoping no one would pick up on it? There were rumblings about his relationship with Wright months ago, but the Obama media let it pass until it was forced to confront the tapes.

It's the same tactic he used with the Rezko connection. Wait until someone comes up with more info and then disclose.He has revised his relationship with Rezko 3x.

Change? A new politics? Full disclosure?

Calling his own judgment "boneheaded" may be cute, but it doesn't change the fact. Stupid, naive or feeling entitled to be above the fray? Qualities of a leader?







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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:26 PM
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182. The Clintons are speaking up for Obama?
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:30 AM
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207. Oh, my goodness!
WOW! First of all I had to turn my speakers down! He boomed out, nearly knocking me outa my seat.

I am speechless. How awful he speaks about Obama. I thought at first this was a joke, but it's not! Yet, he sure does love Clinton and his wife; and hates on Obama. It's still playing in the background. I have to shut it off.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:29 AM
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217. I thought the same thing
At first then they put up Bill's picture and it made me wonder if this was another Gerldine Farraro mouthpiece which of course they have no control over :sarcasm:
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EnviroBat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:57 PM
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187. to the O'Reilys, Limbaughs, and Hannity's
Fuck you, you're done in this country...
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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:57 PM
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188. Give me a break, but your just a bit naive...
....People like you did it to yourselves. Obama went to every college in America to recruit amateurs (starting with Illinois students at Iowa campus's) to listen to his beautiful empty speeches that were full of energy and dynamics. The speeches however meant absolutely nothing, zilch, nada, void of plan or substance ...they were very charismatic but empty. He talked the talk. The youngsters just sucked it up. Oh well...what comes must go too! Or what comes around goes around.

Or, you got what you paid for! What a waste of money and time!

So don't just whine to everyone because you did not listen to the other candidates and that especially includes John Edwards. Because you too evaporated into his nothingness speeches. I don't think Edwards will ever want a slot in a Obama presidency.

It's sad, our party is in such a mess now!! We have no solid candidate.

Gore is our last hope that I see now, but he's been very silent.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:58 AM
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211. you are naive-the media picks our presidents-and obama,apparently,is not it
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pauldg0 Donating Member (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:41 PM
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282. Guess the media picked John Edwards too!!
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:26 AM
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192. God we must win this!
Gobama!
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bigbrother05 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:35 AM
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194. k&r
Thanks for your thoughtful OP. Despite your humble background, you have attained a status many could envy. The thing I find interesting is that you see your residency as the only time you've encountered the kind of repression you recognize in the minority community. In many ways, that really makes Rev Wright's point, even a dirt poor white kid faced an easier path than a person like Barack Obama.

Clinton, et al will gladly stand back and let Obama and Wright suffer at the hands of the RW echo chamber. After growing up in the 50s/60s and living in the OK, TX, GA, and AL, the sentiments on both sides of the race issue are no great surprise. Rev Wright did at times the same as HST, he told the truth, it just seemed like Hell to those who did not want to have their comfortable world challenged.

Would like to see the complete sermons the 30 second snippets were taken from. Suspect the context of the phrases shown wouldn't take away the power of his words, but would help to complete the point he was making. Most good preachers, regardless of race or denomination, will make their congregations uncomfortable from time to time. If I recall correctly, the first Christian preacher had a bit of a problem with the powerful and privileged Himself.
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PetraPooh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:21 AM
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196. I think it is good that they stood idly by. Otherwise it would look like he needed help, which
he proved beyond a shadow of doubt that he didn't need any help at all and is a true leader.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:39 AM
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197. Proud to be your 200th recommend!
Excellent post, thank you for this.
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:16 AM
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198. kr
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:24 AM
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199. I don't understand why you feel that obama is ENTITLED
to have at his disposal, the entire Democratic Party to defend him at the drop of the hat? Did they FORCE him to attend that church?
You name ONE other Democrat that has EVER had that?
Gore? He fucking won the 2000 election. The SCOTUS took that away and gave it to someone else. Did you see the Democrats rise up against that?
Why no, you didn't.
John Kerry was mercilessly swiftboated on his career. Did you see the Democrats rise in multitudes over that?
Ummm...I don't think so.
How about when the election shenanigans cheated HIM out of his Presidency?
Were the Democrats marching in the streets? Why no, they were not.
Get off the fucking soapbox.
It is a campaign. If his skin is so fucking thin, then perhaps he should have stuck to teaching.
Politics is a bloodsport and it is NOT for the weak. The weak need to keep their asses at home.
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HopeforChange Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:29 AM
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200. You are really a weak and sorry excuse for a democrat if that is what you are.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:33 AM
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201. I will be waiting for you to point out ONE thing that I said that was wrong n/t
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jonestonesusa Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:41 AM
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258. What's wrong with your post is unnecessary harsh language
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 11:49 AM by jonestonesusa
because there's no need to curse if it doesn't help your point. Also - no posters here, as far as I have seen, say that Obama is "entitled" to defense by party leaders - that's a code word that's used all the time in the debates over affirmative action. But we're all on the same team, right, supporting change in the White House and change in the political culture so that health care reform, an end to the war in Iraq, some emphasis on domestic policy is the result. Democrats in recent years have done a poor job of defending their own, in part because the liberal wing of the party and the so-called centrist wing (DLC) have been at odds. You made that point and I agree with you on that.

In fact, it has been a 25 year war against the progressive wing of the party, starting with Mondale and his super-delegate framework - funny, he's the same guy that worked out the 2-seat compromise when Fanie Lou Hamer challenged the all-white Mississippi delegation for the 1964 Democratic convention. But the original OP makes the salient point that we need to unify behind Democrats to take advantage of a historical opportunity to remake Washington, bring it back to the kind of center-left coalition that gave us socially progressive legislation in the 60s and 70s, everything from the Voting Rights Act to the Clean Air Act to Roe v. Wade, due to a progressive majority on the Supreme Court. But we can't do it as long as the party principals refuse to stand up on their hind legs and fight when the right wing tries to define our candidates and values to the negative. We need a party that appreciates the roles of the progressive wing of the party and grassroots candidates such as Howard Dean and Barack Obama. You'll hear me say this many times - Democrats couldn't get elected to dog catcher without African American voters and liberal/progressive voters, but the party chumps out these constituencies year after year by ignoring their legislative agenda and pandering to the so-called Reagan coalition. We do need swing votes as well as liberal-progressive votes, but to get those swing votes we have to compete when our values are demeaned in the MSM, and that's exactly what's happening with the over-simplification of Obama's viewpoint on his church.

Actually, one more point on this - last night on On Point I heard Andrew Young, former Atlanta mayor, diplomat in the Carter Administration, co-organizer with Martin Luther King. The topic was focused on whether Obama's disavowal of the church should have been complete, due to both Wright and an award given by the church to Farrakhan. A Republican pollster made the infamous David Duke comparison - what if McCain had David Duke as an advisor, wouldn't he have to repudiate Duke? At first, Andrew Young said nothing, and then before his extremely mild defense he said that the comparison was valid to a point. I was flabbergasted. The comparison is obviously not valid for several reasons - first, Duke is not a minister - he has not gone to divinity school, to say the least. Second, the Ku Klux Klan is an organization that advocated and committed mass murder and systematic discrimination for decades, while Wright works for an organization, the United Church of Christ, that has an obviously more humane history. Third - even Louis Farrakhan, who I have not listened to much myself, at least did an extremely positive action with the Million Man March, and if you don't believe it is positive, talk to people who went about their experience.

So, everywhere that oversimplification of progressive values occurs, we need to respond. Otherwise, we won't get the social and political changes that we want to see.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:34 AM
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202. Some of us are kind of kinky to be honest about it.
We definitely eat our own and get a sick thrill out of scandal. God knows we have enough of them. It's just our price to pay for being the party party. We are so used to it, we no longer even flinch when we get shit thrown at us.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:46 AM
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204. Triangulation, calculation and equivocation -
Thats been the voice of so many that perhaps they either forgot or never truly learned, understood, or even cared about the "We-The-People" voice of a Democrat.

They're so use to playing the Washington games and then acquiescing that Senator Obama's strong, yet calming and reassuring voice of common sense and reasoning rattled them all. I don't hold much hope for many of those politicians. I think quite a few saw themselves during that speech.

While reading your post, I thought about the Congressional Black Caucus going before the Senate to contest the 2000 election. Not one Democrat rose to at least symbolically recognize their objections. Not one. Not one, to at least have the discussion so it could be part of the Congressional Record. How many times over the years have we been let down like that? Impeachment proceedings should have started long ago on both Bush* and Cheney.

In September, 2004, Senator Ted Kennedy choked me up when he spoke against the Iraq war on the Senate floor. WOW! What a speech! But sadly, the last politician that inspired me, truly inspired me that there was hope for all of us, was a very long time ago. That was Robert Kennedy.

After nearly 8 years of the Bush* administration, I have come to the point where I can barely open up DU. My anxiety level has been so high, I can barely eat and sleep. My stomach is in such knots, I think it's connected to my heart. I worry about a lot of things. I worry about the Constitution. Habeas Corpus. Privacy. The Signing Statements. The increased strength in the WH. The impotence rendered to Congress. Changes made within Justice. And all the hidden changes David Addington has made to weaken the Separation of Powers. Which candidate will work laboriously to restore what has been changed, ignored or removed? Which candidate might want to capitalize on those changes? I wonder if anything can outrage me more than the last of the many outrageous things that have already occurred.

All I've been seeing is darkness at the end of the tunnel, and that's not even trusting if the Bush's* tunnel's is really ending! I am with worry that we may end up with an extension of keeping the Corporatists, Bankers and wealthy happy with "same ol' - same ol'" with a twist of the left just to keep us Dem's happy.

Yesterday, Senator Obama allayed some of those fears. There could be light at the end of the tunnel after all. He made me see that there can be hope.

If something in his speech did not move our Democratic leaders then they either didn't listen or they are not worthy to call themselves Americans, let alone Democrats. If that's too judgmental of me, I don't care. That's how I feel. I've earned those emotions.

I'm sick of dis-unity. I'm sick of the triangulation, calculation and equivocation. Governor Dean, Senator Kennedy, Senator Obama, along with a very few others prove that the Democratic values I grew up with can and still do exist. I am hoping Senator Obama's speech will inspire a new generation of Democrats who will place my family's, my community's, my country's welfare first and foremost before that of their own, their perpetual campaign war chest, their aspirations or personal pocketbook.

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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:27 AM
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206. Amazing post, happy to Kick & Rec
Barack Obama, we, the people, have got your back. :patriot:
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:38 AM
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208. "I don't think the Clinton campaign has flamed this story but I'm sure
it's not breaking Penn, Clinton, and Wolfson's collective cold heart to stand idly by and do nothing."

He left Hillary to suffer being called racist. Not only did he stand idly by, he instigated it. I find it amazing that anyone would call upon her to step in and defend him on this. Add to that, his story changes almost daily. How would she know what to say.
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judasdisney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:53 AM
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209. Hillary Kissinger Can't Change The Historic Sunlight of Obama's Speech
It's 48 hours later and I can't stop thinking about the speech. I've been thinking about it all day. Basking in the sunlight of it. Breathing unpolluted oxygen for the first time in 7 years.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 05:27 AM
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210. That is the power of that speech.....
it leaves one thinking.

It will do its purpose over a short period of time, and Obama will have done most of the heavy lifting on his own.

He is our soldier on the frontlines, and for that alone, he will win the Presidency.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:12 AM
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212. what a wonderful essay.
i haven't watched any video of this reverend wright. i don't even want to. but i strongly suspect that though it may be delivered at an offensive decibel level, his message is the truth. the real enemy is racism. it is one of if not the most divisive element in human interaction. and it remains alive and well and institutionalized and i deplore it.

i hope this is posted elsewhere, and published in print, and will be read on the radio and put in a book. thank you for writing it.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:22 AM
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213. shame on every one of you if you thought the junta would allow this guy in
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:48 AM
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215. An amazing post, B&C. Similar thoughts have been floating
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 06:49 AM by Vinca
through my head, but I could never get them out as eloquently as you have. The odd thing about the Democratic Party is the way we eat our own. Unlike the Republicans, who will stand solid when the most repugnant idiot takes center stage, Democrats head the for the closets and hide under the beds in order to avoid conflict and controversy. I'm not saying Jeremiah Wright is an idiot, to be sure, but what he said was jarring to many. Actually, it wasn't so much what he said, but how he said it. The words on a page, in many instances, make perfect sense. I was hoping, after Obama's history-making speech, the powerful but timid in our party would come forward. For the most part, they have not. The phrase "under the bus" has been used over and over the past few days and in some ways Democrats, by their deafening silence, have thrown an entire race under the bus.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:33 AM
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218. Outstanding !!! - One Of The Greatest Posts On DU... EVER !!! - K & R !!!
Thank you!

:grouphug:
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:49 AM
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219. I don't know if Jeremiah was cursing America, or stating that America
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 08:02 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
is cursed. If the latter, of course, there is no gainsaying that that is at present absolutely true, and in large part the curse is constituted of the cancer known as the military-industrial complex, and the associated crypto-fascist imperialists whose values (or rather lack thereof) have so characterised the ministrations of the US and its demonic form of capitalism throughout the world.

If, on the other hand, he was calling down a curse on America, it must be clear to anyone with an IQ rated higher than 40 (or Republicans...ah.... a tautology), that he was referring to the same crypto and alas, these days, "not so crypto at all" fascists, referred to above.

So let's stop pretending that there is but one nation called the US, and not two nations called the US: the snakes-in-suits and the people. Mr Wright was clearly referring to the the former, the snakes-in-suits who jointly and severally prey on every other human soul, including their own countrymen, until there is nothing left to squeeze out of them; and to the low-lifes who are degenerate and stupid enough to support them. "Lower'anasnake's belly", as they say. Wake up America!

That's why burning the flag is now an illegal act, the reason for the "Why do you hate Amurkka?" mantra. The last thing the Republicans want you to understand is that you are two nations. You are the hosts; they are the parasites.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:35 AM
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228. 36 w m here too
:kick:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:53 AM
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231. K&R
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 08:55 AM by redqueen
One of the best posts on DU ever... thank you.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:30 AM
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237. Really? How's it feel?
Anyway it is not the party's flault that Obama chose someone like that to be his mentor. If Bush's mentor was Pat Robertson, we wouldn't hesitate to jump on him for that and we would be right to do so.

Frankly, if your guy can't deal with the other kids, he should get out of the sandbox.

You may now give your officially approved, canned response.
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russian33 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:34 AM
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239. so when Bill and Hillary were dragged thru the mud, and made into the Devil, that was Ok?
hell, some even helped...but Obama can't take a little criticism? how does he expect to win the GE, once repukes really bring out the swiftboating?
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BeliQueen Donating Member (433 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:49 AM
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242. what a wonderful and thoughtful...
companion piece to Obama's speech. Fantastic job!
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:58 AM
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243. Obama is suddenly radioactive???
Beautifully written. Thank you for putting my thoughts into words in a better way than I ever could have. I am really disappointed in the way the prominent dems had started to cozy up to Obama before this blew up and now are suddenly conspicuously absent. Where are the Pelosi's, McCaskill's, Lewis', Ted Kennedy's when they need to support the brightest, most visionary president I have seen in my lifetime? Its like Obama is suddenly radioactive???
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:10 AM
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245. Yes, I agree... Where the HELL is Edwards?
I know where he isn't... Here! If there were ever a better time to stand up and speak on one of his core themes, it is now while this discussion is going on. Race. Division. Understanding. Bridging this gap. No one person owns this topic. This is supposed to be his life's work, isn't it?
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txaslftist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 10:31 AM
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246. k&r
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cseper Donating Member (69 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:11 AM
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250. It's amazing how much the media is pushing Obama.
With the sorry condition our country is in I firmly believe that Hillary is the only candidate that can begin to straighten it out on Day 1.....and even with her wisdon, past experience and know-how it will take a full 4 year term to overcome the problems our current administration has created. No other candidate has as much to offer at this vital time in our history.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:27 AM
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253. It's so true, you know. White people are so terrified of minorities showing
their anger, that they have even managed to whip minorities into a state of intimidation if they get caught expressing their pent up rage.

If things were fair, the radio channels would allow minorities to take over 98% ownership for ten years to spew all the anger they feel inside because this society deemed it okay to treat them as targets in the Angry White Man Era.
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sagetea Donating Member (471 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:31 AM
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255. The funny thing is...
The people who got upset by Wright's speech have never hung out with American Indians. They say the same thing...
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toys4kitty Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:34 AM
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256. Kick
I am at a loss for words at your post.
It's this post and other similar ideas that have been surfacing that confirm for me that Obama's speech is going to fester inside us and move us to being
greater people as a whole.
The pain, the negativity, the denial - it is all the process of change. Growth always hurts, even more so when it's in spurts.
Thank you a hundred times over for this.
:grouphug:
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:15 PM
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260. Kick
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mjg540 Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:30 PM
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264. CAN RACE EVER BE DISCUSSED IN A REASONABLE MANNER....
If democrats can't have a reasonable discussion about race (as is apparent in DU), then how do you expect the rest of the country to? I liked Obama's speech, but I thought it fell short. He put into words why the anger exists, but did little to tell us where to go from here. In essence he excused Rev Wrights statements. Race still cannot be discussed openly and honestly without name calling. I've thought alot about this and quite frankly I'm appalled by Rev. Wrights statements, they can never be justified. It only becomes Obama's problem when Americans look at him and wonder if he holds the deep-seated anger that spews from Wright's mouth. We do need to understand it, but we must move on.
Maybe race is being injected where it really isn't the problem. Economics seems to be a larger factor. African Americans are not the only people being discriminated against. Every human being experiences discrimination at some point in their life. Don't take it personally, ignorance does not justify the time of day.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:33 PM
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267. Just like they've done while the country has taken a worse whipping.
You're right. Excellent.

What do you say about a party that sits by and apologizes for election fraud and does nothing
about it.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:35 PM
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269. Oh please Save me Poppa...what do you suggest they do beat on their daughter Hillary for you?
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 12:40 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
I seriously thought at first this thread was a joke.

oh BTW Hillary has taken the brunt of the Media bashing from the beginning of this election cycle so stop your whining. Obama brought it on himself.
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chalz Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:44 PM
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270. You have written a Very Important Post
Both the practical message - a call to democratic leadership - and the vivid and evocative imagery you employ are striking. Thank you for sharing an important message. Everyone who cares about taking our country back should be sharing this message with whomever will listen. I will.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:22 PM
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272. I'm very disappointed,
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 01:23 PM by Enthusiast
I had hoped for more fairness by the media on behalf of Barack Obama. Instead we have these outrageous attacks on him 24/7. It's like nearly equal to coverage of Hurricane Katrina. Amazing. It should be clear to even a casual observer that these hidden powers, these hidden powers that are destroying our country, wish to eliminate Barack Obama as a presidential candidate. The reason should also be clear.

The greatest threat to this country is media consolidation and control by right wing extremists. It has become far far too one sided. If all information is screened and manipulated we have already lost. I am sick about the destruction of my nation. Don't kid yourselves, this is Fascism. Instead of sending our politicians donations we should be pooling our money to start a new TV news network, one that will preserve at least semblance of accuracy.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:17 PM
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271. Just more of the Obama sympathy/victim strategy
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 01:20 PM by Gman
Playing the victim only goes so far and Obama may well have reached the end of the line for this approach. Obama now is having to grow up and be a real politician rather than run a vaporware campaign with vague references and when attacked, playing the victim.

It is NOT wrong "for people like Edwards, Gore, Clinton, Richardson, Pelosi, and the rest of the talking Democratic heads to just stand idly." Especially, why should Edwards and Clinton give a damn about Obama? And Hillary in particular, why should she give a damn about Obama after the way the Obama people treated her and tried to portray Bill as a racist? No one from the Obama campaign went to her aid when the RW talking heads were playing up Obama as such a victim of the horrible Hillary. I wouldn't blame any of them if they wouldn't piss on Obama if he were on fire.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:25 PM
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:29 PM
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274. LOL! You make my point for me. Thank you.
BTW, that's an awfully strange comment coming from someone with your DU nickname. Kinda hypocritical, doncha think?
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:50 PM
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odelisk8 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:54 PM
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276. here we go
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/20/7798/

appear Hillary is silent for reasons of her OWN!
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humbled_opinion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:23 PM
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284. OMG it all makes perfect sense... Must read..
thanks..:yourock:
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:59 PM
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278. Yeah I voted for him because he's a victim
Right, that's the ticket.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:16 PM
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279. but WE don't have to stand idly by!
We can defend Obama, defend the church, donate to either or both, and we can counterattack the people responsible for the smears.

Me, I'm putting my energy into going after the neocons and the Israel lobby, because they are behind the attacks and they can be made into political liabilities for both Hillary and McCain.

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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:01 PM
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280. JUST IN TIME...to give this a recommend.
Damn fine writing, my friend. :pals:
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NikolaC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:05 PM
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281. I Agree
However, it is obvious of late that the Dem party leadership has no interest in using a spine or backbone (FISA aside) against the thugs that are stirring the pot. That is something that they only use on occasion when it is politically convenient. I have long ago stopped looking at the Dem party and it's leaders through rose colored glasses.
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 06:13 PM
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285. Wow. Couldn't have said it better. Out of the park.
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Unbowed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:04 PM
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286. Great post.
:kick:
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:03 PM
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287. I want to say to every thank you for all the positive feedback and add this:
This is a very vindicating message for all of us!

http://www.foundryumc.org/pdfs/Statement%20concerning%20Rev.%20Jeremiah%20Wright.pdf

A STATEMENT CONCERNING THE REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT

The Reverend Jeremiah Wright is an outstanding church leader whom I have heard speak a number of times. He has served for decades as a profound voice for justice and inclusion in our society. He has been a vocal critic of the racism, sexism and homophobia which still tarnish the American dream. To evaluate his dynamic ministry on the basis of two or three sound bites does a grave injustice to Dr. Wright, the members of his congregation, and the African-American church which has been the spiritual refuge of a people that has suffered from discrimination, disadvantage, and violence. Dr. Wright, a member of an integrated denomination, has been an agent of racial reconciliation while proclaiming perceptions and truths uncomfortable for some white people to hear. Those of us who are white Americans would do well to listen carefully to Dr. Wright rather than to use a few of his quotes to polarize. This is a critical time in America's history as we seek to repent of our racism. No matter which candidates prevail, let us use this time to listen again to one another and not to distort one another's truth.
Dean J. Snyder, Senior Minister
Foundry United Methodist Church
March 19, 2008

________________________________________________________________________

That message is from the Pastor of the Clinton's Church. It is powerful and re-affirming. Politics is a rough game but there are times when we have to stick together and protect our own.

Jeremiah is on the side of equality and justice, the people in the media that are driving this story to the detriment of all of us on the left are not. It's that simple.

I hope Hillary Clinton will come to embrace the beautiful message put forth by her minister. It would mean a lot. :hug:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:34 AM
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288. Richardson heard you
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 09:06 AM
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290. I'm really excited about his endorsement.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:41 PM
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293. Joe Biden? Joe Biden? Joe Biden? We have a call for Secretary of State Biden
You can't be secretary of State if you don't knew when to pick up the phone.
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BringBigDogBack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 03:44 AM
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289. Hell of a post.
If I could rec it, I would. :thumbsup:

kicking
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 10:06 AM
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292. HA! Richardson heard our pleas! n/t
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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-21-08 12:48 PM
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294. Excellent post!!
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