Is Cynthia McKinney really running for the Greens?

LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:16 PM
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Is Cynthia McKinney really running for the Greens?

I read it on here today, but couldn't find anything more about it.

I wish she would get back into national politics somehow, even if this isn't the best year to do it. She's a bit too... enthusiastic at times, but I've always admired her spunk and her refusal to suffer fools.

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Horse with no Name

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:18 PM
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1. She was targeted.

There is NO doubt in my mind.
There is also NO doubt in my mind that progressives didn't back her up when they needed to.

In her case...I would say that she didn't leave the party, the party left HER.

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olkaz

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:19 PM
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3. Dude.

She punched a security guard, and has spent time with the 9/11 conspiracy survivalist kooks.

I don't think we need her.

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:21 PM
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8. A grand jury disagreed with you -- no video evidence to prove it

Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 03:23 PM by LostinVA

I agree with HWNN: she was set up for being "uppity" to the Cops.

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olkaz

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:27 PM
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18. Okay, we'll give her the benefit of the doubt on her violent outburst

Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 03:29 PM by olkaz

But what about going on Alex Jones and blaming the government for 9/11?

Got anything for that?

(You're going to have trouble disproving this one, I listened to the audio.)

Edit: Heck, here's a link, just for fun.

"Congresswoman Says America Run By Criminal Syndicate
McKinney: American citizens could be put in forced labor camps"

http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_america_run_by_criminal_syndicate.htm

"McKinney shared Alex Jones' fears and those previously voiced by Republican Congressman Ron Paul, that Americans may be arrested and taken to forced labor camps in light of recent developments confirming Kellogg Brown and Root have secured a government contract to build the camps."

You guys crack me up.

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:39 PM
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32. I don't agree with that theory, but I don't slam people who believe it

I can understand why people may think that, given t3h Intel we know about now that they knew about then.

And, there is zero proof McKinney had a "violent outburst."

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olkaz

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:43 PM
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41. Jesus Christ!

What the hell is going on here?! Has DU always been filled with troofers and I just never realized it?

My god man, fine, respect her opinions, but at least see that she's essentially impossible to elect to anything with crazy ass "forced labor camp" opinions.

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:46 PM
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46. I'm not a man, and I don't know what a "troofer" is

Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 03:47 PM by LostinVA

I like McKinney alot, and have been atatcked by quite a few posters for defending her, She's occasionally a bit of a nutter, but I like her alot.

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olkaz

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Wed Mar-19-08 04:03 PM
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62. I liked her too!

Sorry, I use the word "man" kinda like Mitch Hedberg sometimes. I don't really say it with a gender in mind.

Like I said elsewhere, she used to be really great on Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman, but she really deteriorated, and then she was making some really wacky stuff up with Alex Jones.

She's just not good for the party, honestly. I don't dislike her personally.

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Horse with no Name

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:25 PM
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15. I'd retract that

because it is...a lie.
And yes...we DO need her.
You might research her career a little more before you write her off.
She was a very effective member of Congress.

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:39 PM
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35. Agreed -- as I said, she doesn't suffer fools

And, as shown by what happened to her, she didn't kiss ass, either.

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olkaz

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Wed Mar-19-08 04:11 PM
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64. What do I have to retract?

"And yes...we DO need her."

She left the party. So.. not sure what good she does us.

"You might research her career a little more before you write her off."

Google "Alex Jones Cynthia McKinney".

It's fascinating. And wacky!

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:26 PM
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16. That's what they would have you believe. nt

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EFerrari

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:27 PM
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19. Dude, you eat corporate media spin with a spoon. n/t

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olkaz

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:31 PM
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25. Alright, fine. Defend this.

"Congresswoman Says America Run By Criminal Syndicate
McKinney: American citizens could be put in forced labor camps"

http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mckinney_america_run_by_criminal_syndicate.htm

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EFerrari

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:32 PM
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27. Have you ever heard of a DUer Octafish?

Read something.

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olkaz

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:33 PM
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28. I don't know what that means.

Seriously, I don't know what that means.

Either you replied to the wrong post, or posted something that makes no sense to me.

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EFerrari

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:36 PM
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31. This is what it means.

Cynthia happens to be right.

The problem is, she happens to tell the truth in public.

If you search for Octafish's posts, you'll find more documentation than you ever wanted to prove it.

It's our dirty little secret. Our government really is run by a small group of cronies, just like Guatemala, just like all governments are from Day 1.

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olkaz

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:40 PM
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36. Oh christ. You people are here too?

Look, I don't think we're getting the whole story on a lot of things regarding 9/11 and whatnot, but going on Alex Jones and cuddling up to the conspiracy community isn't helping me disbelieve the whole "punching the security guard" incident.

I actually liked her a lot when she would be on Democracy Now every once in a while, but once you start making crazy claims about forced labor camps on Alex Jones, well, thats the end.

Getting attached to the patriot movement is pretty much political death to me.

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EFerrari

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:47 PM
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47. Conspiracy community?

Far as I can tell, you are in the "conspiracy community" for believing she punched anyone with no evidence. And in the face of evidence from a cop witness that she was being targeted for harassment.

I really don't care what you choose to believe or not. I'm more interested in what people know and can prove. :hi:

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olkaz

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:58 PM
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59. Hold on, rethink this.

In comparing these two things:

1. Cynthia McKinney loses her cool and strikes a security guard.

2. The government was behind 9/11.

You say:

"I'm more interested in what people know and can prove."

Maybe McKinney didn't do it. I wasn't there, and I'm not so closed-minded to not listen to you. But if you're honestly saying that it is more likely that the government engineered 9/11 than she hit a security guard, well...

I don't know. I guess you guys are a perfect fit?

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:46 PM
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45. Maybe Cynthia could have crazy Uncle Wright as VP?

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:47 PM
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48. Boo! This is a (mainly) positive thread

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EFerrari

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:49 PM
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50. People like Cynthia and the Reverend Wright

don't worry about people like you.

In fact, the progressive community still has a foothold in this country because of people like them and not people like you. But, you already know that. :)

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EFerrari

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:19 PM
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4. I was working the ER daily news thread the day of her election.

The trouble reports came in early and big and no one did anything. That election was dirty as hell.

She was left high and dry, I agree.

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:22 PM
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9. I agree -- and that sucks

It pissed me off that so many in Congress -- and on here -- threw her under the bus so quickly.

Boo!

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EFerrari

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:24 PM
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12. Not to mention, the voters in her district that tried to vote for her

Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 03:26 PM by sfexpat2000

and got their votes stolen. :grr:

If she had lost fair and square, that's one thing.

She didn't.

/ack

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:24 PM
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14. OOOOO -- I'd forgotten about that

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:19 PM
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5. Oh, I totally agree!

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mod mom

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:26 PM
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17. "American Blackout" chronicles her first "target". This is why we can't allow GOP cross-over voting

to choose our candidates.

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:41 PM
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38. It's just one reason I loathe open primaries

Trust me, this isn't an "Obama thing" with me. I've never liked them, for this reason.

"American Blackout" is a really good movie. I bet Netflix has it, for those who are interested.

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bluestateguy

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:18 PM
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2. She'll fit the Greens just fine

They both love to WHIIIIIIIIIIIINE!!!!!

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EFerrari

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:20 PM
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7. Boy, you don't know Cynthia at all do you?

What a shame. So much your loss.

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mod mom

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:28 PM
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21. Yeah..their platform is so RADICAL:

Grassroots Democracy

Social justice and equal opportunity

ecological wisdom

non-violence

decentralization

community based economics and economic justice

feminism and gender equality

respect for diversity

personal and global responsibility

future focus and sustainability

Now I would like to suggest that the Ds and Gs work together. Instead of creating a wedge between the two parties by hateful rhetoric, perhaps a constructive dialogue would be more appropriate. It would seem to me that the hateful right is creating and perpetuating this division to support their own evil agenda.

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GreenPartyVoter

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:29 PM
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22. Agreed, and bring in the Socialists and any other group that has common

interests and vision of how the nation should be run.

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mod mom

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:34 PM
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30. I don't get the divisive attacks against folks who share the same goals as most progressives.

Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 03:35 PM by mod mom

I could much easier vote for the green platform than the DLC platform of corporate welfare.

We should be building coalitions instead of alienating them-imho

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Horse with no Name

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:39 PM
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34. Now THAT is the big tent

I am talking about!:thumbsup:

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GreenPartyVoter

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:41 PM
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39. Sure would be something, eh? :^D

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Horse with no Name

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:43 PM
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43. It sure would.

:hug:

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:43 PM
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40. EXACTLY!!!!

I'm a member of the DSA, so I totally agree. We should all be forming a coalition and working together.

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depakid

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:49 PM
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51. In Australia, Greens and Labor often work together

They exchange preferences -and since Greens share the balance of power in the Senate, their views are heard and sometimes reflected in public policy.

Labor -and the country as a whole, is much better because of it.

Contrast that with America, where the Democrats have become decrepit, largely influenced by the far right and unable to either stand up effectively to a petty bully with historically low approval ratings.

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GreenPartyVoter

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:53 PM
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56. Yeah, I wish we could do something like that here rather than trying to

cram everyone into one of two parties. I very rarely find that one-size-fits-all is actually that.

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depakid

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Wed Mar-19-08 04:07 PM
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63. IRV would make a huge difference -but the party hacks

(who are responsible for the sorry shape the country is in) would have to be drug kicking and screaming.

As should be apparent to everyone- these folks serve the same masters; one party is only incrementally "better" -less worse than the other. In many cases, rational people have no one to vote FOR. Which makes them cynical and disinterested.

Australia also has a form of proportional representation in their Senate that allows smaller parties a seat at the table. A reasonable chance for a slice of real power- something that's anathema to partisans in the states, who are seemingly content to enable and legitimize the very worst of policy choices.

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GreenPartyVoter

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:20 PM
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6. Yes, she is. I love her. Convention is in July, we'll find out then if she's the nom

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:24 PM
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11. The ONLY problem I have with the Greens:

I love their platform so much, I agree with so much, but I really, really wish they would start at the local and state level first.

:sigh:

I think she's a hell of a lot better than Nader. McKinney is a FIGHTER!

Is she planning to run for Congress in the next few years?

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GreenPartyVoter

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:28 PM
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20. Rather than start at the state level, I'd change the election system to

Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 03:28 PM by GreenPartyVoter

accommodate multiple parties, and I'd thrown in public funding and some sort of ranked voting too. Then I'd reinstate an updated form of the Fairness Doctrine, since the media is just about useless as is these days.

As to what Cynthia's plans are, I dunno. I'd love to see her back in D.C. one way or another. :)

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:45 PM
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44. Well, I agree with all of that, but know it won't happen

I hate the Electoral College. It would be great if we had a Representative Parliamentarian system here.

Since we know she won't win as President, I do hope she runs for Congress soon.

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Danger Mouse

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:22 PM
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10. for what office? president?

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:24 PM
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13. Yes

Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 03:32 PM by LostinVA

This is probably not the best year for her to be running Third Party, but McKinney has never given a damn about what other people think!

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Danger Mouse

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:30 PM
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23. ah, i see. i'm 100% against that, then.

as you said...this is a bad year for it.
hopefully she and nader don't do any serious damage to our eventual nominee.

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:48 PM
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49. I hope she runs for Congress soon

I like her -- nuttiness and all!

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hayu_lol

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:30 PM
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24. She was the first Dem to publically accuse the Bush mob of their many...

crimes. It was a really great speech. She literally tore the little Texan an new anal orifice.

She lost her seat due to the GOP and the voting machine catastrophe. Her last act was to present an impeachment bill against the Bush cabal.

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Freddie Stubbs

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:31 PM
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26. She was an embarrassment to the party and was dealt with accordingly

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:50 PM
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53. "Dealt with" is true, and very ominous

Our enemies "dealt with" her.

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Freddie Stubbs

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:58 PM
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60. Democratic primary voters "dealt with" her

JOHNSON MCKINNEY
41,281 28,915
58.8% 41.2%

http://sos.georgia.gov/elections/election_results/2006_0808/0001410.htm

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 05:01 PM
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65. No, actually GOP voters dealt with her

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mod mom

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Wed Mar-19-08 09:42 PM
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71. Watch American Blackout before saying the "Dems" voted her out. The frickin

GOP admitted to what they were doing-just like Rush is doing now in our primary.

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cooolandrew

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:33 PM
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29. I wish she had run as a Democratic nominee just to see her onstage with our other candidates.

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Debi

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:39 PM
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33. Here ya go hon!

Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 03:44 PM by Debi

And a little :spank: to boot :evilgrin:

Edited to remove link...I'll PM it to you....you can keep the spankin! :P

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GreenPartyVoter

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:41 PM
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37. I don't think we can actually post the URL per the rules??

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Debi

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:43 PM
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42. Okay - I'll delete it and PM it instead

I guess I figured we were still in primary mode it was okay :shrug:

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GreenPartyVoter

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:49 PM
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52. She's running against the Dems in theory, so not ok. :^)

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Debi

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:51 PM
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55. Got it - and corrected as you can see above

:thumbsup: Thanks.

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GreenPartyVoter

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:55 PM
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58. Any time :^)

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:51 PM
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54. HARDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OOOO -- rulebreaker! I'm alerting!!!

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Debi

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:55 PM
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57. Yeah, yeah, you forgot to tell me I was crazy and fucking nuts

and a B---h and 100 othering fucking things that OTHER rule breakers do :crazy:

:blush: do you know what shows up on The Google when you search the word 'spank'? :wow:

:rofl:

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 05:02 PM
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66. Your photo???

:rofl:

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Debi

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Wed Mar-19-08 08:22 PM
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68. Ha ha

:spray:

Need to put 'safe search' back on!

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LostinVA

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Wed Mar-19-08 08:45 PM
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69. Sorry -- Hillary made me say it

:cry:

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Debi

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Wed Mar-19-08 09:41 PM
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70. She's like that I hear! n/t

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femmedem

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Wed Mar-19-08 03:58 PM
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61. She came here to New London, CT to campaign for Green municipal candidates

and, of course, shore up support for her presidential run.

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Hippo_Tron

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Wed Mar-19-08 05:03 PM
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67. Not a big fan of her comments about Al Gore's "Negro tolerance level"

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IndianaGreen

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Wed Mar-19-08 09:48 PM
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72. She is running for the party's nomination

As you know, there are two groups of Greens. The Greens is the one that shuns electoral politics altogether, concentrating on the "movement." The other is the political party that ran Nader in '00, even though Nader was not a party member nor embraced the party's agenda. They also ran David Cobb in '04. McKinney is one of several candidate running for the nomination.

I will remind everyone that Nader/Gonzales is an independent ticket, not associated with the GPUSA.

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