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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 03:58 PM
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BREAKING: Hillary's Schedule proves she Worked On NAFTA!!! (scammed Ohio voters)

BREAKING: Hillary's Schedule proves she Worked On NAFTA!!!
why did this wait until after Ohio?

by Billary Redux Wed Mar 19, 2008

Two memos at the link

Because Hillary was Working On Nafta... Yeah, that Nafta, the Nafta she "was skeptical of"...



She was also involved in helping her husband win congressional approval of the North American Free Trade Agreement,
a deal she now criticizes and says she would try to change.

Her schedule for Nov. 10, 1993, shows her speaking at a NAFTA briefing closed to the media, with 120 people expected to attend.




Nice... She pulled a fast one on ya Ohio.. what say you Pennsylvania? Is it time we get those Tax Returns
and Foundation Donations yet? Or will they drop out first?


Billary Redux's diary :: ::
Does this prove she advocated Nafta? Not sure, it doesn't say it explicity, but she did have a Closed to Press Meeting with 120 attendants at the OEOB and concluded a Nafta Briefing...

I'm SURE she told everyone just how Skeptical she was, how it would shaft workers in Ohio and all that jazz.... Sheaahhh...

BTW, another Very Good White House Schedules Diary here worth your attention. Looks like the Experience Meme is starting to flounder.

full story at the link


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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:00 PM
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1. kicking!
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:20 AM
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55. Pro-NAFTA, Pro-War Clinton-Her Two Most Important Projects-McCain/Clinton's
MAJOR difference-he's slightly older.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:56 AM
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56. The worms are starting to come out of the woodwork
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 07:59 AM by bambino
the can of worms is open and she has a lot of explaining to do - what an interesting upcoming PA debate it will be.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:06 AM
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57. NAFTA killed the American worker, killed the middle class, killed many dreams of hard working
Americans. That's going to be damn hard to explain.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 11:22 AM
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62. What was she thinking of when she was pushing NAFTA
and then turns round and said that she didn't?
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:42 PM
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63. Schedule says nothing more than she attended 4 meetings - what was said isn't known
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 01:42 PM by papau
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:01 PM
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2. Only the tip of the iceberg.
There is a reason the Clintons continue to hide their records from Democratic voters.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:06 PM
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9. At this point, they can't even remember how many lies they've told
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:10 PM
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11. They're Always On *Both* Sides Of Every Issue [nt]
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:02 AM
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46. Those interested in New World Order will enjoy this.....NAFTA revisited.....
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 01:04 AM by better tomorrow
10 SPHERES OF INFLUENCE -- NATIONAL REORGANIZATION
North America
Western Europe
Japan
Australia, South Africa, and the rest of the market-economy of the developed world.
Eastern Europe, including Russia
Latin America
North Africa and the Middle East
Tropical Africa
South and Southeast Asia
China


Therefore, you see, NAFTA is not simply an economic super nation; rather, it is Nation #1 of this 10 Nation New World Order. Very few people understand this, because they have been conditioned by our national leadership, aided by our national mass media. No one has ever explained this before. Now, you can understand why Presidents as seemingly dissimilar in world view, style and philosophy as Presidents Bush and Clinton could support the creation of NAFTA. President George Bush began the push to create NAFTA, but was unable to see it created before he left for office. President Clinton supported NAFTA, even though he opposed nearly every other thing for which Bush stood....

...Now, do you realize the exciting importance of NAFTA? It is Nation #1 in the 10 Nation Reorganization Plan! All major nations in this Plan are now created; the minor groupings of nations are probably created secretly, as well.

(Source: CuttingEdge)

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odelisk8 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:04 PM
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65. speaking of hiding
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:02 PM
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3. K/R.
:kick:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:02 PM
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4. Wow! Talk about grasping at straws...unless you were there, and unless
you can find someone who said exactly what she spoke about, once more , a Bot has nothing but lies and half-truths to justify supporting their inexeprienced and weak candidate.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:04 PM
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6. well, do you think she was trying to stop her Husband's proposal in those meetings?
can't wait to see what else is in them.

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Skwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:06 PM
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27. Logic. That is something the Clinton camp tries to ignore.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:24 PM
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39. Insiders have said, including Berstein, that she was against NAFTA
Edited on Wed Mar-19-08 11:25 PM by jasmine621
from the beginning. Perhaps she tried to give some advice on improving it or dropping it. No one in their right mind would expect her to have publically opposed her husband on this. Hell, even Obama wouldn't pubically oppose Kerry on the IWR vote and they aren't even married.
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maximusveritas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:11 AM
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51. But she didn't have to publicly support it
Obama never publicly supported Kerry's vote, even if he avoided criticizing it.

Hillary publicly supported NAFTA. That's the difference.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:29 PM
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23. Agree
NAFTA had already been negotiated by Bush I and was getting ready to move through a GOP controlled Congress. There was little Clinton could do except demand certain changes to protect jobs and the environment. My guess is thats the nature of these meetings.
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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:54 PM
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64. that isn't accurate. Bill Clinton got NAFTA passed.

But the opposition proved formidable. Both Democrats and Republicans were already divided, although Republicans in the House were more favorably disposed to NAFTA. But the emergence of Ross Perot, the opposition of organized labor and many big environmental groups, and the grassroots campaigns around the country made the sales job tougher, even with the help of stars like Lee Iacocca and Clinton (whom Kelmenson described as "the best advertising man in the world"). "George Bush could never have passed NAFTA," argues Mickey Kantor, Clinton's former trade representative. "No Republican President could have, because he couldn't have brought enough Democrats."

The NAFTA advocates had plenty of money: USA*NAFTA, the main business group, spent at least $10 million in two months, and the Mexican government paid Washington lobbyists at least $6.9 million. Besides the television ads, there were fake grassroots ("astroturf") groups for NAFTA, dubious academic studies and, in the final stretch, an orgy of special favors to win undecided members of Congress, including Clinton's pledge to go duck hunting with one member. Although Clinton did go hunting, many of the promises never materialized. For example, the highly touted North American Development Bank provided minuscule aid to clean up the border.


http://www.inthesetimes.com/issue/24/25/moberg2425.html

and it wasn't a GOP controlled congress. Remember - Dick Gephardt was speaker.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:03 PM
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5. K & R
:thumbsup:
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:06 PM
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7. Uh Oh, Hillary's Pants(suit)'s On Fire
:rofl:


K&R
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:06 PM
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8. She was just being a dutiful wife, so it doesn't count! nt
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NYDem Observer Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:09 PM
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10. Are you saying Hillary has been lying to us all...
Yeah right, must be another Obamabot. :sarcasm:
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:11 PM
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13. heh
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futureliveshere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:11 PM
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12. DIGG these stories and spread the word.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:16 PM
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14. will do!
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:42 PM
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15. Your OP is false. Even your own link admits that
And I quote from you quoting from it:

"Does this prove she advocated Nafta? Not sure, it doesn't say it explicity, but she did have a Closed to Press Meeting with 120 attendants at the OEOB and concluded a Nafta Briefing..."

So much for your claim of "proof".

Hillary never broke public ranks with her husband during her administration. They had some private disputes but not public ones. Hillary Clinton always maintained a united front on major Clinton Administartion initiatives, much as Bill Clinton's VP Al Gore did. In fact it was Gore who worked for NAFTA in public, not Hillary.

The briefing attendence was described as "a drop by". She is said to have "closed" the meeting that was not open to the press, which makes both looks ceremonial on the surface.

This isn't a smoking gun for anything. At most it's a broken sling shot.

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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:14 AM
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52. Even if it is who cares ha ha ha ha... just playing the same game Hilary supporters do.
Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying you post false things about Obama. K and what's called the recommend! :woohoo:
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mythyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:48 PM
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16. whatever went on in that closed meeting
there's plenty of wiggle room to squirm around accusations on the NAFTA issue if all to go on is that schedule info. Something more concrete is needed, like actual comments in support or better yet the corroboration of 2 or more of those 120 participants saying she was for it, to make this mean anything. to the batmobile! ;)
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:48 PM
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17. more: Clinton Papers Released: More Bush-like Behavior … What Are Clintons Hiding?

Clinton Papers Released: More Bush-like Behavior … What Are Clintons Hiding?

Progressive Daily Beacon | March 19, 2008


…In all, 11,046 pages have been made available.
Nearly 4,800 pages have parts blacked out. Archivists said that’s to protect the privacy of third parties.
Schedules for more than 30 days of activities were not included in this release….
- Yahoo News





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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 04:50 PM
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18. But.... But.... Rev. Wright upset me !!!!!!!
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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 05:41 PM
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19. ABC has found some attendees
Two attendees of that closed-door briefing, neither of whom are affiliated with any campaign, describe that event for ABC News. It was a room full of women involved in international trade. David Gergen served as a sort of master of ceremonies as various women members of the Cabinet talked up NAFTA, which had yet to pass Congress.

"It wasn’t a drop-by it was organized around her participation," said one attendee. "Her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA and what a good thing it would be for the economy. There was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time. Folks were pleased that she came by. If this is a still a question about what Hillary's position when she was First Lady, she was totally supportive if NAFTA.

That first attendee recalls that the First Lady's office in the East Wing put together "the invitation list, who was invited authorizations and all that stuff."

And what is this attendee's response to Clinton today distancing herself from NAFTA? "For people who worked hard to pass NAFTA and who support the importance of markets opening for the economy in the long term, they're very upset. A number of the women who were there are very upset. You need to have some integrity in your position. The Clintons when Bill Clinton was president took a moderate position on trade for Democrats. For her to repudiate that now seems pretty phony."

-----

Women who attended that event, the second attendee says, have been incredulous to see Clinton distance herself from the trade agreement as she campaigns today. "They're all saying, 'What's this all about?' We all heard it firsthand." She says Clinton isn't being honest with voters today.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/clintons-1993-n.html

Wonder if the Obama campaign can get these women to talk on the record?????? This might screw Hillary in my home state of Pennsylvania!
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:27 PM
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22. Let's see more details
Rumors and "off the record" comments by anonymous people who supposedly attended the meetings doesn't amount to much.
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:01 AM
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60. ABC tracked them down

Obviously they attended the meeting. And why doesn't it amount to much? Hillary
falsely portrayed herself in order to win Ohio. It amounts to doing whatever it takes
to win the nomination- including lying to the very workers who have suffered
greatly because of NAFTA.

These workers were cheated out of jobs because of NAFTA, then again cheated out
of an honest election. I'd be pretty discouraged if I were them.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:53 PM
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34. "seems pretty phony" . . . sounds about right. n/t
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NM Independent Donating Member (794 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:46 PM
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41. Can we start calling him the Clinton shill that he is now?
...David Gergen served as a sort of master of ceremonies...

:wtf:

He's was taking her side a lot through that whole BS before OH, and he was there???
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CitizenLeft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:54 AM
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44. no, no (I hate to defend a Republican!)
...but he was part of the administration, so he was just doing his job. :hi:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:04 PM
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20. Kick and Rec. This should have made the DU front page as soon as it arrived. n/t
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:06 PM
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21. She was super duper secretly working behind the scenes to voice her concerns.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:35 PM
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24. shes such a liar..
so sick of her bs
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:41 PM
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25. That she is....
Wonder if she would've won Ohio, had voters here caught wind of this...??
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:11 PM
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37. she's FAKE FAKE FAKE
many are learning if they didn't already know.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 06:51 PM
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26. More here from ABCNEWS!
Clinton's 1993 NAFTA Meeting

March 19, 2008 4:58 PM

11:30 am -
11:45 am

NAFTA BRIEFING DROP-BY
Room 450, OEOB
CLOSED PRESS

PARTICIPANTS: Approx 120 expected to attend
(See briefing book for further info)

FORMAT: - Alexis Herman intros HRC for brief remarks
-HRC concludes program

(pp. 1375 and 1376)

Two attendees of that closed-door briefing, neither of whom are affiliated with any campaign, describe that event for ABC News. It was a room full of women involved in international trade. David Gergen served as a sort of master of ceremonies as various women members of the Cabinet talked up NAFTA, which had yet to pass Congress.

"It wasn’t a drop-by it was organized around her participation," said one attendee. "Her remarks were totally pro-NAFTA and what a good thing it would be for the economy. There was no equivocation for her support for NAFTA at the time. Folks were pleased that she came by. If this is a still a question about what Hillary's position when she was First Lady, she was totally supportive if NAFTA.

That first attendee recalls that the First Lady's office in the East Wing put together "the invitation list, who was invited authorizations and all that stuff."

And what is this attendee's response to Clinton today distancing herself from NAFTA? "For people who worked hard to pass NAFTA and who support the importance of markets opening for the economy in the long term, they're very upset. A number of the women who were there are very upset. You need to have some integrity in your position. The Clintons when Bill Clinton was president took a moderate position on trade for Democrats. For her to repudiate that now seems pretty phony."

Recalls a second attendee, "they were looking for women in international trade who supported NAFTA. Senator Clinton came by at the end. And of course she asked for our support and help in passing NAFTA."

Women who attended that event, the second attendee says, have been incredulous to see Clinton distance herself from the trade agreement as she campaigns today. "They're all saying, 'What's this all about?' We all heard it firsthand." She says Clinton isn't being honest with voters today.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:54 PM
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35. New flash . . . "Clinton isn't being honest with voters today"
Who'd a thunk it.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:09 PM
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28. Wow. I'm completely SHOCKED!
Its the Clinton shock and awe campaign!
No, not that other shock and awe campaign that she voted for 5 years ago.
Its an entirely different shock and awe campaign.

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DerekJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:14 PM
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29. HRC NAFTA-SHAFTA
:rofl:
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:16 PM
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30. I expect the media to cover this for the next 6 days, as they have covered
Rev. Wright. They have been all over Obama, questioning his veracity and judgment. I expect them to equally be all over Clinton regarding her veracity and judgment.
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Fyddlestyx Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:24 PM
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31. K & R
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annie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:26 PM
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32. she doesn't want to throw nafta out the window and she's never wanted to...
be an isolationist. she wants to enforces the rules of any trade agreement.
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meow mix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 07:35 PM
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33. K&R
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 10:55 PM
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36. Kick
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:13 PM
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38. Am I the only one that remembers her going on all the talk shows
with Bill to shill for NAFTA? I must be OLD.
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:44 PM
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40. Disgusting
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-19-08 11:47 PM
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42. K&R
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:17 AM
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43. K&R
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 12:58 AM
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45. Good grief, it doesn't take much to get your panties in a knot. Look at the damn entry.
Daily Kos is turning into Daily GDP.

I haven't heard so much excitement and speculation over a fragment since the Dead Sea Scrolls were found.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:05 AM
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47. I remember one of the first debates Hillary didn't give an answer other than saying
She will review it and make appropriate changes. All I could think of was another study group. Baker will run it and the outcome will be nothing but a stall, and more of the same. This is the Hillary change she talks about that is so dear to her heart and which is utterly bullshit.

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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:06 AM
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48. PLEASE READ THE 6TH POST IN THIS THREAD...I posted it in the wrong reply.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:07 AM
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49. Is anyone really surprised at this? n/t
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 01:21 AM
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50. Tell us another story Hillary!
Hillary:
"I’ve been tested. I’ve been vetted. I have been in the political arena in our country very intensely for 16 years. There are no surprises. There’s not going to be anybody saying, ‘Well why didn’t we think of that?’ or ‘What, my goodness, what does that mean?’” she said. “I am going to be able to go up against any Republican who they nominate."
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 04:23 AM
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53. Maher was wrong, I'm starting to dislike Hillary...note "hate" her but dislike her character
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 07:17 AM
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54. K&R!
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:07 AM
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58. kick for NAFTAGATE
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 08:22 AM
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59. ,
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 09:05 AM
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61. It has been widely reported by people
within the Clinton administration during the Clinton Presidency that Hillary did not support NAFTA.
You are posting garbage.
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odelisk8 Donating Member (124 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:04 PM
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66. speaking of garbage
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xmzx Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:10 PM
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67. ...
More left wing propaganda...

Why is it that "liberals and Democrats" are playing the propaganda card now? This is getting really ridiculous, and you people need to come to realize that YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WHAT WAS SAID!

The Democratic party is turning into the Republican party with it's childish tactics. This has to end. Why are people supporting WillYourVoteBCounted? You and WillYourVoteBCounted should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:16 PM
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68. I love how these records were released now, hoping that they got lost in the Wright scandal.
Edited on Thu Mar-20-08 02:17 PM by Kristi1696
We'll see if it works. The MSM seems to be tiring of Wright and will certainly be done with it if the poll numbers rebound after the speech. The Clinton campaign's plan could certainly backfire and the MSM pick this up and have it snowball once the tax returns are released.

The Clintons are in no way out of dangerous waters.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:28 PM
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69. Who cares about that when we could learn more about how...
she was in'da hizzie while Bill was getting a BJ?

Priorities folks.

:sarcasm:
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:37 PM
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70. Nothing surprises me about her candidacy
She will try to win by hook or by crook. People were fooled twice in 2000 and 2004. Don't get fooled again.

She did vote for this war. And she is responsible in part for the jobs that went overseas. In two important areas she has failed the American people so wise up people.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:41 PM
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71. Her candidacy is flawed beyond belief...
She is just like Bush in that she will never admit her failings. She will lie to you about everything. Yes, she released her docs hoping that all of this would go unnoticed because of Wright. Religion is separate from state.

NAFTA and Iraq. She failed her red phone moments.
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nlb Donating Member (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 02:51 PM
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72. well it doesnt matter
at least for the media . They' re all over the Wright issue right now . Even the fith year of the Iraq war and Elliot Spitzer aren't getting nearly as much attention .
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:00 PM
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73. Anyone who hadn't realized this long ago must be brain dead
so it's pretty much a non-story.
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:07 PM
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74. GO-BAMA!!!!
THIS ONE IS TOO OLD
THIS ONE IS TOO NEW
THIS ONE IS TOO SOFT
THIS ONE IS TOO HARD

...... are we talking about the 3 bears or the POTUS ?????

mccain is too old.... and i hate to say it.... getting older as we blog !!!!!
.....if there ever was an edge... and he was not yet over it... he is getting to it!!!!


hillary... too hard... her retoric, the BAGGAGE of Billary...taxes...whatsitgate...her campaign...


obama... too soft... needs to step up his campaign for the LONG HAUL... BETTER HIT THE ROAD QUICKLY because there is hardly a chance that hillary will get the dem voters energized...
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happygoluckytoyou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:09 PM
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75. would someone please take a swipe at MCCAIN.... the old fart is hardly standing and doesn't have to
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:11 PM
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76. Debunked Already
This is a waste of a post and desperate. Insiders have already vouched for Hillary not being for NAFTA. Belongs to BILL...not HILLARY.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:12 PM
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77. I think Obama should run an ad showing her lying about this and using the records to prove it.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-20-08 03:49 PM
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78. k
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