MY Mea Culpa about Bill Clinton's Statement Today in NC.

I apologize for denying that Bill Clinton intended to imply that there were only two candidates that loved his country.

I saw the clip on Olbermann. It was clear.

As vehement as I was upon reading the transcript, I am now fully certain that Clinton was suggesting/implying that Obama did not love his country. It was clear. I didn't want to believe it. But it was true.

He said: "It would be great if there was a contest between 2 people that loved the country" or something like that. It was obvious, disgustingly obvious.

Man, I am almost out of any good feelings towards the Clintons.

They have nauseated me for the last time.

I apologize if I offended anyone on the Obama side and I am sorry if this offends anyone on the Clinton side. But this is the truth.

was pretty damning, coming after a wholesale praise and worship of McCain.

brainwashing mode..'cause they're too damn stupid to know this is going to Backfire and Blowback on their Deliverance Ass.

Rules, by not participating in the Michigan party. So the theme this week is the DNC, all former and current candidates ( except Ms Clinton ) and the democratic party faithfull who believe in the DNC are unamerican and hate their country.

Is there any room under the Clinton bus anymore.

I recently heard a phrase that I think says it all about Pennsylvania, One one side you have Pittsburgh and the other side you have Philadelphia and right in the middle you have Alabama, thats a pretty telling statement of who she is playing for.

Couple that with her target demographic in Indiana in the form of WAR, and that should be her final to hold demographics and all she has left out.

I've been howling at the press whenever they cite McCain's rise in the polls, against both Dems, as being due to Rev. Wright or the bickering between the Dems. Never have I seen the media mention the Clinton camp's praising of McCain as a reason for his polling surge.

I thought he was raising he possibility of a McCain/Clinton ticket.

and I was ill.

then I heard it again, and realised it was an Obama slap.

McCain is, first, before he reaches his big conclusion: we could have a contest between TWO patriots, or just one...and that other guy...if you know what I mean... Ugh.

do they think we incapable of thinking?

That made it even worse.

other guy...and without his "issues"...

Simple as that.

without the help of the m$$mWhores.

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good, I've been updating my ignore list today, thanks

its really hard to believe what he said if you just hear it reported, you almost have to actually see it to get the full meaning.

Good on you for posting this. I know its hard to be disillusioned about people you previously respected.

Wouldn't that be great?

I read the quote but haven't seen the clip, and I honestly took it the way you apparently first did. And I gave up on both the Clintons long ago. I still don't read an agenda into the quote.

Some just have the good character and integrity to stand up and say so.

I applaud you for being one of those people. :applause::yourock:

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to wait until you could confirm for yourself how to interpret the statement.

It's better not to condemn something like that if you are unsure of it :pals:

:rofl:

You obviously don't listen to yourself. Wise of you.

Even if I had posted it though, clearly the quote itself, if only read, did not give a full and accurate picture of what the implication was.

I have nothing but contempt for Obama because he said "my white grandmother was a sheet-wearing KKK whore."

Or something like that.

Bill Clinton really did question Obama's patriotism.

Bill Clinton fucked up. Deal with it.

The 50% of the country who lives in ghettoes and trailer parks - don't want to talk about us because that necessarily means talking about race.

I am so beyond done with centrist Democrats. I tried to be accommodating, but they've shown their true colors in this election. They don't care about black people, brown people, or poor people.

the "other stuff" refers to all the crap -- like this -- that gets thrown around in almost every campaign for the presidency. Jeepers. It was so obvious.

But no one here can hear you.

:hi:

I thought your sentiment was admirable and you weren't being a jerk about it :hi:

I had seen it 2x at least when you posted.

:pals:

Bill is implying that Obama does not love America because of the words of Rev. Wright and Hill and McBush do love America. The implication amounting to an outright lie.

In advertising this is call positioning your product like when Pepsi used the Michael Jackson ads to position their product to the Michael generation.

So Bill is positioning Hill to McBush as the only nominees and positioning Obama out of the GE.

The Clintons are snakes.

Remember Bill did not have sex with that women; yea right.

ROFL!:rofl:

Anybody?

You were right the first time. I saw he clip too. He was talking about how it would be easy for Hilary and McCain to avoid the trap of falling into the usual BS politics because they respect each other and have worked together.

He wasn't implying anything about OBama and his love of country at all.

This is what is making me so terribly tired of this board and Obama supporters.

And you know, I loved Bill Clinton at one point. I really did.

I shed tears when he left office.

I think you cannot see clearly, perhaps because you are a little bit blinded by the current heated climate.

It was just too obvious for me to ignore it. Sorry.

and their disagreements but also about how they worked together on many issues and how they could have a campaign about ideas and issues and not personal stuff. And he said that would be refreshing.

Where in god's name do you get the implication that he implied that Barack didn't love his country? This is absurd. You're being absurd. You were right the first time.

I was shocked seeing the difference in the quote I read and the actual video.

It was obvious.

Anyway, let's talk again after we get the video link. I think you will agree (if you are open-minded).

Thanks.

Why bring McCain up at all--especially if he wasn't going to BASH him? It's a DEMOCRATIC primary, for God's sake!!

Haven't you ever heard the edict "respect your opponent." Do you think you can only run against somebody you pretend you cannot respect.

You're supposed to be an disciple of new politics, right. Not an old style politics of personal destruction.

It shows CLASS to admit that your opponent is a fine man, with distinguished service to his country, even while you try to defeat him in a battle of ideas.

Are you so childish you can't see this?

He wants the war to go on, favored the surge, now favor extending Bush's tax cuts, is opposed to national health insurance, etc.

Hillary sides with Obama and against McCain on each of these matters. Does that have to be reiterated ad nauseum?????

and say that Hillary and McCain are both patriots who disagree on some issues (oh, whoop de doo, that's a stinging attack)? Which candidate is Bill leaving out of this equation? How come neither of the Clintons have said anything about McCain's gaffe about Iran/AQ? Why are they so hesitant to attack him? Because they want McCain's poll numbers to stay up--they want McCain to look strong, and Obama to look weak in head to head matchups. That's why he is talking about McCain in a favorable way, and trying to get these old vets to see Hillary in the same patriotic light as McCain, which suggests they are somehow in a different league than Obama, in terms of patriotism, baggage, race, etc. It's sickening to build up your enemy at the expense of your fellow party member, but they've been doing it for weeks now.

John McCain is a political opponent.

But Obama and Clinton are also temporarily opponents.

Neither McCain nor Obama is Clinton's enemy. I hope we haven't come to that.

he is the enemy. The three aren't all equally fighting each other as individuals--this is two parties battling it out. Hillary and Bill are helping the enemy--and his party--by elevating him above their own fellow Dem. That hurts OUR party, especially if Obama is the nominee.

He's the guy who wants to put a stop to the divisive politics of the past. He claims he can bring Repugnants and Democrats together. The way to do that is not to demonize, but to unite.
I thought that was part of his special charm, that he was all things to all people.

that all Hillary has by comparison to McCain is Teatime as First Lady, then we'll talk.

After throwing the kitchen sink at her Democratic oppononent in the primaries, she's going to be extra special nice to her Republican opponent in the GE.

How nice of her.

I thought he was just doing the classic 'give props' thing.

It wasn't that.

It had nothing to do with McCain at all.

It was obvious. Did you watch or just read it? Be honest now.

Chris Mathews tried to get that woman reporter to bite on a line like the one your pushing. She rightly refused.

It OBVIOUS that this had nothing to do with denouncing OBama. This is incredible. Truly incredible. You guys are really, truly dirty players. But why?? There is hardly any daylight between our two candidates. It's not worth this slimy stuff you're doing to try to win this thing.

The daylight that exists between them is all in personality and integrity as far as I can see.

Not a bad reason to vote for a person.

Wow, Rezko and lying about Wright and stiff arming the voters of Florida and Michigan shows lots of win at any cost integrity.

And if Rezko is enough, Hillary has about 100 Rezkos in the closet.

Saying something point blank is not either of their styles. Here, it's not like there are 500 people still in the race there are 3. The satstement that with Hillary and McCain, it's two people who love their country ---- but it's a pregnant sentence - where the obvious thought is what about Obama. That is designed.

What don't you understand about that?

She just doesn't think he's ready to be president quite yet, at least not as ready as her. And I agree with her.

She also respects McCain. She just disagrees with him about fundamental matters of domestic and international policy. And I agree with her again.

ticket-a heartbeat away from the presidency??? You don't prop up the person who may run against someone of your own party and say you're respecting the person of your own party. Get real.

And when did you and the rest of her supporters start buying that swill hook, line and sinker. WHAT PRESIDENT HAS EXPERIENCE AS PRESIDENT BEFOREHAND?????

We have had executives and we have had people who were legislators and people who got into office by accident and the republic did not end. Not yet anyway. More experience my ass, Hillary has been a first lady and a senator. Barack has been in his home state legislature and the Senate. So it is at BEST a push. But you people keep harping on it, along with the rest of the daily stream of bullshit that you insist that those of us with functioning brains should consider as fact. Its a new paradigm and Hillary is a paragon of the old paradigm. Simple as that. Its people like her and her trimming, triangulating and enabling of the Bushes of the world that have gotten us where we are today. I was against her candidacy even BEFORE Obama was on the scene, because I could not stand the thought of one more goddamned fucking DLC candidate to be shoved up my ass with specific orders to vote for them. And we go and run the candidate certified to get the most votes. FOR THE FUCKING REPUBLICANS.

Honestly, if the powers that be in the Democratic party want to keep bullshiting themselves, that's fine. Just don't try to bullshit me anymore, I am onto the game. Its Obama. And if it ain't, well God ain't going to HAVE to DAMN America, because it will already have damned itself.

won the DEM. nomination and probably won't. But all the praise he poured on McCain is an ad-in-waiting to be used by McCain against Obama. ESPECIALLY when he FOLLOWED that praise with praise of his wife and THEN following all that with, "It'd be a great thing if we had an election where you had two people who love this country, who were devoted to the interest of the country and people could actually ask themselves who is right on these issues instead of all this other stuff which always seems to intrude on our politics." :wtf:

else. it is so sad, so appalling. he will have no rep left when this is over.

the benefit of the doubt.

I know it sucks to be disappointed.

He seems to try to live vicariously through his wife's candidacy and it seems to me that he takes comments made about Hillary's campaign very personally.

But saw the clip and have seen too many times this happening to let it go.

check this out and I didn't even do Bill's McCain torture gaff.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5199704&mesg_id=5199996

You made an honest mistake based on the amount of info given.

It's unfortunate that that one paragraph got out in the media without the rest of the quote. Taken completely out of context, the words themselves seemed quite benign. What was missing was the all-important context in which the remarks were given.

At this point I really believe that if Hillary doesn't win, then they want McCain to win. I'm 98% certain.

IMHO, the Clintons no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. Their every move is calculated, and they know exactly what they are saying.

after all these years of standing by Former President Clinton it is kind of hard not to fold back to enable him again BUT that finger once again gave him away! :hi: Thanks

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0406/14/se.01.html

"Most the people I've known in this business, Republicans and Democrats, conservatives and liberals, were good people, honest people, and they did what they thought was right. And I hope that I'll live long enough to see American politics return to vigorous debates where we argue who's right and wrong, not who's good and bad.

My experience is, most the people I've known in this work are good people who love their country desperately."

couldn't beleive what I heard....no words

promoting Hillary as being a white patriot "just like McCain"--that's their game here. They are playing to the SD's.

YOu can't possibly sincerely believe that stuff.

(Hillary has already said the word "unamerican"), paint him as the black guy saddled with racial baggage, and drive his negatives up and his poll numbers down--especially to weaken him against McCain.

This is unbelievable. "Paint Obama as the black guy"

First, Obama is a black guy. And Clinton has said nothing about that except that she is honored to be running against him. But you know what she IS running AGAINST him. This is a competition, after all. What is she supposed to do, make commercials on his behalf?

A little reason, fair mindedness would be much welcome, much preferred to self-serving bull.

Try to remember that.

crossed my mind...if I don't get the nom, I'm running with McCain against Obama with a secret thought/wish of "winning" against Obama.

bizarre but I don't think they're living in the same world

bizarre...

except the shouting.

Bill can talk up McCain all he wants, and stick his candidate in there too, but it's a foolish course. It's a course to burn all his bridges. Which frankly scares me. Why would he burn his bridges so throughly for no good reason?

Do we Dems have to put up with the big dogs Repo ass kissing talk? Is the big dog about to switch sides, a la Lieberman, and start humping McCain's leg in public?? Maybe they are planning a unity ticket with McCain?

I can't figure any other reason Bill would be sniffing McCain's butt so lavishly, except maybe that he's a selfish dickhead who doesn't give a crap about anyone else but himself and he wants to throw a public fit to get even. I suppose he could be publicly sulking. He sounds like he's been out drinking with Carvelle and Morris from the crap he's spewing.

Their time is winding down.

Hope you guys have a lot of paper towels, because I expect you to clean this mess up when you are all done.

I can't stand it that the Clintons keep praising McCain.

person with a pea sized brain can now see the Clintons for who and what they really are. They are sad. PERIOD. Get use to it my friend. I know it hurts now, but all I can say is get use to it.

MAN DOES IT SUCK. I feel your pain.

Hence, 2 people.

Bill Clinton wasn't attacking Obama's patriotism.

He was speaking out against bogus attacks on the patriotism of candidates, like the ones he endured in 1992 (over organizing a teach-in about the Vietnam War at Oxford, etc.)

Bill Clinton in 2004

n/t.

Hillary's actions & words, however deplorable, make sense. She's not doing anything for personal reasons. It's really not personal with her, it's just a means to an end. If she were not running in this election, she'd have glowing words for Obama.

Bill Clinton, on the other hand, is seriously pissed at Barack Obama. Is this just over his wife's campaign? I don't really think so. He's too much of a political pro for politics, no matter the stakes, to get him hot under the collar (putting it mildly).

Before Obama came on the scene, Bill Clinton was the Big Dog. Well, there is a new dog on the block and Billy boy doesn't like it one bit. I honestly think Bill Clinton is fighting for the title, not his wife's presidency. Sad, really. Clinton is hurting his legacy and making himself look more like a mutt with distemper than the big dog he used to be.

that Obama doesn't know his place.

Making sure that the "G-D America!" statement was fresh in everyone's mind; after all, Obama's doesn't love America for associating with that guy, right? I mean, Wright? What a smart, thoroughly amoral politician.

of his reputation.

I'm so sick of him right now.