Here is how Hillary lost my support........

Here is why Hillary lost my support! Three months ago I was a Hillary fan. I thought she was smart and qualified. I still do. But then she lost it.

The day I decided to stop supporting her was when she started mocking Obama supporters by commenting that he was just talk. I could not believe she was saying to these people “You are stupid to like him because he is just all talk”. And not long after that she did her mocking “Sky’s Opened Up” speech. I could not believe she was actually mocking his supporters. Making fun of them for liking him.

The last straw was when she said “she was qualified, McCain was qualified, and Obama made a speech in 2002”. That sealed the deal for me. Mocking and sarcastic.

Since then I have realized how arrogant Hillary is. She thought she had this wrapped up before it started. She assumed she would win by Super Tuesday. She did a horrible job of organizing a campaign. She let Obama; with hardly any campaign experience, out campaign her. I remember when the caucus was held in Kansas the Hillary people told me Obama had three paid staffers in Kansas for 6 months. On caucus day Obama had 17 people working in Kansas. Hillary had 3 unpaid people. And Obama won the caucus 70%-30%. Hillary is ready to run the country on Day One but not campaign on Day One?? I was impressed by Obama and how his campaign was so organized in every state.

Also, Hillary always seems mad or just on the edge of getting pissed. It is like she really wants to look tough but just comes across mean. Katherine Sebelius, my governor, who I donated money to and campaigned for is tough but not angry. I love her and she won in Kansas which is a huge Red state.

Hillary also has too much Old Washington links for me. If she and McCain are the candidates, nothing will change. Like Romey said “Same People, Different Seats”. I love that quote. It is how most campaigns are anymore. Same people from Washington and who have been there forever or tied to people from there (Bush) just taking other jobs there. I may be naïve but I think Obama is really different.

So Hillary really disappointed me. I am so sad that she acted like she did for this campaign. I switched to Obama and have loved every minute of it. I think he is the only one who will REALLY try to change the Old Washington way of doing things. I honestly am moved by him. It may sound corny but he is the only one who has ever made me feel that way.

If Hillary wins fair and square I will vote for her. Anyone on either side (Obama or Hillary) who votes for McCain is an idiot. If you really want a Pro War, Anti-Gay, Anti-Abortion GOP Idiot then you never liked Obama or Hillary to start with. And I guarantee Hillary and Obama would be disappointed in you!

Like Bill Clinton has said: “In the primaries you fall in love, in the general election you fall in line”. We all need to remember that quote.

Thank you !

I think that was immediately it for me, because it's not what I expected from her, after all the personal attacks Bill had been through.

I expected the high ground from her.

As far as her supporters here, there's freepers trying to stir things up in here on both sides. It's easy to get swept up in that bullshit.

After we decide who our nominee is I'm removing all my ignores, if any of them are still members here. Hillary is at least a smart alternative to McCain, given the choice, and I'll help fight for her.

to the hope in your heart.

I'm glad to be on the same side as you this primary season.

I love the Obama supporters!!

Good job over there man! Wow.

It was those two things that really turned me against her, the comments ridiculing how mesmerized and devoted Obama's followers were by him, and the compliments of McCain when comparing him to Obama. Those were the comments of an angry woman who had not counted on an adversary so charismatic that people would actually be crying during his speeches. It felt like a real threat to her. She lost votes.

Her campaign has gotten wise since then, however, and now tells her to keep quiet. Now she goes behind the curtain (like the Wizard of Oz), and commentary against Obama magically appears.

happy you're helping us support Obama!

The Obama forum is great but more back and forth here!

here in GDP! :)

You can brag to your grandkids that you voted for him.

Give me a fuckin break

KansasVoter :hi:

Welcome to DU!:hi:

:hi:

campaigning was an insult so far as I was concerned. If she isn't able to oversee people with a vision that it is necessary to actually communicate with Ma and Pa and Son and Daughter Voter, then I don't see her as able to sell herself as an effective agent of change as President. Obama knew he had to talk to the people and he got out there and produced some excitement--as in people are ready to have a candidate come out to the city centers and high school gyms to talk with them.
Claiming that Obama was just making speeches was a baloney claim that simply makes her look petulant.
I have also been concerned about her position on the Florida and Michigan delegates. It makes her look like she'll try to double deal her way through situations that do not favor her.
After 8 years of being treated as though we citizens are ignorant and having an administration that thinks nothing of giving us blatant lies, taking the high road can accomplish a lot.

The main turn-off I have about Sen. Clinton is the sheer sense of entitlement she projects around her. She went in with the attitude of "this is mine, you all need to stand back and wait your turn". Her speeches are full of "me, me, and me". She budgeted that it would all be wrapped up by super tuesday, and all the little people "i.e. voters" would stand in line and do what they were expected to. And all the states?? Piffle, she openly belittled states she felt she didn't need, (like Michigan and Florida)

It didn't work that way. The voters did something that they weren't supposed to in her viewpoint - they started to vote for Sen. Obama. And since then, her campaign has become more shrill, more whiny, more entitlement-minded. The attitude I feel from Sen. Clinton and certain of her staffers and supporters now is "how DARE this upstart take my rightful place! Who does he think he is?? And how could those states and the voters be SO stupid. Didn't they KNOW they were supposed to uncritically support me 100%??"

you don't have anything left to hire staffers in KS. And, that's the problem with her campaign, and the approach of the DLC. Raise tons of money from corporate donors to pay the salaries of consultants like Penn.

Obama's middle name should be "Arrogancy"..........

because none exist.

Welcome to DU, Kansas! :hi:

--IMM

:shrug:

I've always preferred Obama over Hillary, but there was a time, a few months back, when I could have accepted her as his VP. But not now. Not after she's mocked, belittled and ridiculed Obama AND his supporters. Not after she's dismissed the majority of America as "states that don't count." And certainly not after she's repeatedly backed the Republican opponent over a fellow Democrat.

Buh-bye, Hillary. Time to go back to the Senate now.

how is possible to govern a nation when you have effectively written of 80% of it's support

HRC became the wind at my back.

In every way possible. Period. End of story.

So far I've been pretty much low-key, none of the hate you've seen from others. But if this goes to the convention, Obama will probably lose to McCain. If that happens, I'll hold Hillary responsible.

Right after the elections when Kerry made his "botched joke". Hillary piled on along with the Republicans, knowingly choosing to distort the meaning of what he had said. Good old knife-in-the-back Hillary. And it seemed to fit a pattern, or it would not have meant so much to me at the time.

Recent events have only reinforced this impression of her. The mocking sarcasm, the anger, the cut-throat political moves. No thanks--not this time!

I talked with many of the people at the Obama rally yesterday in Portland. I asked several of them if they were decided or if they were coming to help them make up their minds. Only one couple said that they were still undecided, but by the end of our brief conversation I think I made Obama supporters out of them. Everyone else that I spoke to was firmly in Obama's camp. Several were former Clinton supporters who had become so disgusted with Hillary & her campaign that they said that they could never again support her.

GOBAMA!

It's gotten to the point where I'm starting to consider the Clintons traitors to the Democratic party. It seems that they'd rather see any other Democrat lose if she's not be the nominee. Ambition gone bonkers.

strategy catapulted me into Obama's corner. The nastier she got, the more passionate I became of Obama. She has really turned me off. I'm still reeling over her little lovefest with McCain. But I have to thank her for that because I have been pleasantly surprised at how much I am inspired by Obama.

I still prefer Edwards but Clinton has totally turned me off. She has convinced me that her presidency would look too much like what we have endured.

Now I'm an anybody but Clinton supporter. The nastiness of her campaign against a fellow Democrat is the worst I have seen since McCarthy ran for President.

with a nudge before that with the Lyndon Johnson civil rights comment.

done.

Speaking of campaigns not organized - I tried to call her national campaign headquarters yesterday, and not only was there no real person during a regular workday, I kept getting switched to mailbox after mailbox, all of them full.

and then I thought - you know what? We don't have a national religion here. If *that's* the reason a person didn't answer the phone, I for one don't find it extenuating.

I didn't know a lot about about Obama.

After Edwards left, I had a hard time choosing between Clinton and Obama. Each rally and debate had but me changing my mind. It was a wonderful dilemma.

Eventually Obama won me over. Then, Hillary started turning me off. I can't be sure when it started to happen and I wanted to be sure that I wasn't having negative thoughts about Clinton just because I preferred Obama. As the Texas and Ohio primaries approached, I was sure that was not the case

Obama shines in the face of adversity in a way that just impresses the heck out me.
He also humbles me in that I KNOW I would have handled these things in less flattering ways.

I wonder if Obama could have shown himself in such a light if Edwards were still running and Hillary were out.

Recently, I've asked myself, if I had both a son and daughter between the ages of 17-24 years old, which of the candidates would I point to and say "you should listen to" or "you should act like" or "remember what so-and-so said or did" in support of my efforts to raise responsible, honorable adults.

This is GREAT:

"...if I had both a son and daughter between the ages of 17-24 years old, which of the candidates would I point to and say "you should listen to" or "you should act like" or "remember what so-and-so said or did" in support of my efforts to raise responsible, honorable adults."

Thought provoking (for a moment) - and to me, the answer is clear.

:hi:

crystal for me too.

Yesterday I started researching the Clintons (embarrased I didn't do this earlier)

I'm speechless now.

"To the Future and Beyond"

Obama's taken the lead on tons of ethics reform and has a better voting record than her.

is a great speaker who draws large crowds. :silly:

one either has it or doesn't.

When I played co-ed soccer there were many men who underestimated me on the field, I didn't get shrill or cry when they knocked me down or tried to take my legs out...I simply rose to the occassion and out ran them and out played them. If Hillary would have simply done the same thing she would not be losing supporters.

For me it has nothing to do with the candidate being female or black it has to do with who can run this country, who can react to crisis in a way that gets the job done but with a plan not a knee jerk reaction.

Hillary's campaign has been one of poor planning and knee jerk reactions....that concerns me.

very, very not true. remember that he started out as a community organizer. his us senate campaign was as wicked smart as this one. and he has gone out of his way to help fellow dems in their battles. he is the number one requested campaign speaker in the party. he also was smart enough to hire a whole lot of the people who elected bill clinton. which ought to tell people a little about both candidates.
we know how to get it done here in chicago.

other than that- welcome aboard.

we were a divided household, some of us for Hillary, some for Obama. When we'd talk politics it was fun, we'd tease each other in good nature. But when she started mocking MY SON as an Obama supporter who was too stupid to see what Obama allegedly was, I started listening more to Obama. Within a very short time, all of us (except my 84 year old mother) switched to Obama.

Mom switched when she heard Obama's "race" speech.

(I did try and look on the bright side. I gave so much money to Kerry I was in debt for a year. I thought, if its Hillary, I won't have to give her any money...that's how mad I am.)

Yes....making fun of democrats who you WANT to support you is not smart. I respected her more than that!

Hillary Clinton did not seem upset about the debacle in 2000 with Al Gore having his victory destroyed by the Supreme Court.

Then I wondered why Hillary did not seem upset with the situation in Nov 2004.

During 2005 I heard how Hillary scolded Edwards for his saying that Kerry should not resign till every vote was counted. She could make the effort to personally call him and scold him for his "grandstanding" -but she has never once expressed outrage over the electronic voting machinery.
(Nor has any of the other DLC insiders.)

I think she is dishonest and cares more abt her personal ambitions than does anyone else running. I liked Kucinich, and Richardson much more than her.

I was reluctant to turn away from Kucinich to Obama but am now enheartened by both him and his wife. I know he will make a great President.

You've captured my personal experience and sentiments to a "t". Thank you for such an articulate piece.

I used to have a lot of admiration for her. I've been taken aback by what I have seen over the last few weeks. And I have seen exactly the same things you have seen.

Thank you for your post, KansasVoter. :thumbsup: K&R.

I will vote for her, but the minute I hear her yammering, it's nails on the chalkboard, and she pisses me off enough that I don't want to vote for her, but I will.

President McLame is not an option. :mad:

I started of as a Kucinich supporter then when he was pushed out I turned to Edwards after that I turned to Obama mainly because of Hillary's arrogance. She felt that she was entitled to the Democratic nomination since early 2007. After Iowa and South Carolina is saw her campaign start to break down and start getting nasty. Her mocking of fellow Democrats was what kept me from supporting Hillary. How does she expect to win the Presidency let alone the Democratic nomination if she mocks the people that she will be asking to support her in November. Then there was the honor to be on this stage with Obama followed by the shame on you speech the next day. The part that really turned me off on Clinton was her little love fest with McCain. She downgraded Obama's experience down to a speech in 2002, while praising McCain for his lifetime of experience. If somehow she wins the nomination it would be very hard for me to vote for her and I for one will not be activly pushing for her this Nov. or in 2012.

we loved them both, then she got downright icky. I don't like her interjecting fear into this race, reminds me of Bush Inc.,

I think Hillary sounds so angry partly because she is losing her last chance to run for President. In four years, she may face competition from Janet Napolitano or Kathleen Sebelius, who have real executive experience. Certainly, in eight years, she will face one of them. The 'most qualified candidate' theme won't work against them.

It was the day of the Florida primary when she just "happened" to have a fund raiser in FL and "happened" to be in a place where she declared "victory" in a Primary where she had signed a pledge not to campaign and not to have her name on the ballot.

When she declared victory in FL and in MI I was reminded of how the Russian communist leaders would declare victory in an election where they were the only choice.

The fact her campaign has "gone negative" only strengthens my choice and pushes me to further action. I hope that the citizens of PA will prove me wrong and not fall for the race-baiting tactics being used. It is deplorable that a democratic candidate would stoop to such a low, despicable, republican method as pitting white against black, black against hispanic just to split the vote.

This is politics of the past and it is time to retire it to the past. It is time to put forth a positive issues based campaign. It is time to point the fire toward the opposition party. Let's see how well each candidate can score against McCain. Let's see how bloodied we as a party can damage the opposition. We have a single target, a non-moving, bloated, slow-moving, ancient, crusty, senile target.

If Clinton were to take her flames and burn up McCain to a crisp, then that would end ALL questions about her abilities. If she were able to wing McCain so that he is just a lame as the duck currently in the WH, If she could take her campaign and "go negative" on McCain, then maybe, just maybe we could see what she's made of in the heat of a campaign.

Until then, she's tearing the party apart for her own gains. Let's see if she can take aim outside the democratic party. Right now she's shooting up the place and she's chasing everyone away.

"When she declared victory in FL and in MI I was reminded of how the Russian communist leaders would declare victory in an election where they were the only choice."

It was printed before everyone but Obama, Edwards, and Hillary dropped out. The mistake was having a ballot to vote on at all. Florida wanted a bunch of people to come out and vote on a property tax issue. We never heard anything about anyone being asked to take their names off the ballot. Blame Florida for this one. Not Hillary.

I don't know how she got away with it.

My jaw dropped when she made that corny speech of the 'sky opening up', then when she promoted McCain I totally lost repect for her.

She has totally lost my respect. Yeah, that snide remark she made about Obama's "one speech in 2002"
was it for me also. At least as far as respect for her goes.

And she had the nerve to repeat it a few more time in case we didn't get it the first time.
As I've said before on DU I think she' a snake. OK to look at but don't get in her way. She's deadly.

But I was an Obama man before that happened.

Obama's my man because -for one thing- I know he won't be anti-gay.
He wouldn't stand by and let thousands of men in my community die of AIDS - and never say anything.
And I think he's got a decent LGBT statement on his web site.
And he's immensly photogenic. That doesn't hurt either.

And he sure isn't a snake. No way.
:pals:

Like all the snarky people on both sides like to say, put a fork in it..it's done.

If Hillary drops out now and Obama loses to McCain. Then people would campaign against Hillary, the Democrat, if she ran in 2012.

If Obama wins the nomination, some Hillary voters say they won't vote for Obama against McCain. They might even vote for McCain. Forget the Democratic platform and ideals.

Some Obama voters are saying the same if somehow Hillary gets the nomination. Don't think Hillary will, though.

So, we are no longer even close to a united political party. We are fractured forever. People won't forget that Hillary said Obama was just talk. People, it's a frickin campaign. People say all kinds of weird things to beat their opponent.

I was pushed toward Hillary when Obama said Hillary "was likeable enough" in a debate where the person asking the question had just cut Hillary to pieces about her likeability or lack thereof.

Hillary did have a sense of entitlement and was not friendly with the press, ever. She is paying for that.

Obama is arrogant. He is less experienced that most politicians we've had, but I've never held that against him. Look at Bush. eeewww

Hillary used the inexperience charge and just words comments as campaign garbage rhetoric. Obama just had to make slight gestures and tone of voice speeches misconstruing Hillary's comments and he looked damn arrogant doing so.

They are both guilty of playing politics.

Karl Rove, like Jeb Bush laughing at Florida for it's mess, is walking around with an endless shit eating grin because he doesn't seem to have had to lift a finger to watch the Democratic party tear itself apart. Maybe he has a bunch of ringers on this site and other progressive sites, I don't know.

This was supposed to be a great time for Democrats. I can't stand the fact that I've read comments that sound exactly like comments that made me hate Republicans as a whole. And I had never hated anyone in my life. It was the ugly comments that came out of the mouths and keyboards of Bush followers that took me to a place in my mind that I never thought I would go. The last seven years were hell, but I think this is worse. It means there is no hope. Parts of my own party sound exactly like those Bush followers. The "get over it" comment which is at the top of my grrrrr list and all the dismissive snarky crap that has no substance - just a bunch of five year old mentality types playing on a message board.

Good luck to us all. We're going to need it.

A member for just two days and already trashing Hillary like a veteran!

Thanks for sharing!

Please explain where I am wrong!

Kansas Voter -- not going to happen.

Wonderful post and articulated so very well the feelings of many of us. Thanks!

And welcome to DU! :hi:

:thumbsup:

She is mean. Have we forgotten the stories of her cursing rages? It is too long a stretch from her cold hard heart to appear caring in any way.

She hurts causes for women due to her disastrous marriage and hard as steel persona.
She hurts the Democratic Party with her hubris and lack of regard for the process.
She hurts our country because she wants to be Queen.

I will never vote for her. Her husband was my second choice and my vote was for protection from more Bush (which we got anyway). NAFTA is a DISASTER! I'm not going to sacrifice another vote for either of them.

Hillary and Bill do not care if the Democratic party is torn apart. It is clear by their words and behaviour if they can't again get in the White House, they would just as soon see McCain win. In fact they would prefer Mccain to win over Obama, and that will HURT our country.

Hillary is nasty, egotistical without merit, and is more and more showing 'it's all about her.' She should bow out and work for Democrats to win so we can have progress and change. The longer Hillary and her cohorts attempt to bloody up Obama, the worse it will be for the Party and our nation as a whole.

PLEASE HILLARY, DO THE RIGHT THING, IF YOU'VE ANY CONSCIENCE LEFT.

big Hillary fan.

That's ok, we'll do it without you. have fun being an Obama fan though :)

I fall right in the same category. Hillary Clinton lost me when she became Billary in South Carolina and this latest stunt by Bill Clinton today is yet another example of what is wrong with the fear pandering Clinton campaign. It reminded me too much of what the Bush campaign did to McCain in South Carolina in 2000.

Regardless, she may actually win the nomination, but she's lost me and I suspect she that if she wins the nomination she has turned off more than she has gained.

That stands in sharp contrast to Obama.

I was exhilarated at the prospects of having the first woman President in my lifetime, but she is not the best candidate. Now I'm exhilarated at having the first black President in my lifetime.

I doubt it...Obama people should really stop pretending to be former Clinton people...it's just lame.

You don't know me making anything you say regarding me sound ............ stupid, which is something I would never attribute to the Clinton campaign despite your support.

I'm rubber and you're glue

whatever you say bounces off me and you were never a Clinton supporter and are just another Obama person trying to pull off the old and tired "I used to be with Hillary until!!!" posts

...oh yeah and sticks to you.

You don't want to believe me... fine.

Your choice.

You can believe what you want and obviously you do regardless of whether or not it based on fact.

Perhaps now you are finally realizing how much 'hope' you and your candidate have left.

what are ranting about again?

She doze off and finally woke up.

Evidently, she was already having wet dreams about being back in the White House.

Too bad for her that not every Democrat was ready to crown her.

Obama better wake up, because when he gets crushed in Penn, the Democratic Party is going to wake up and then you are not going to be happy or should we expect to see this thread from you

"I was an Obama Supporter until!!!"

Keep grasping on to the one state Clinton is going to win and 'hope' and prayer that is enough.

It's not.

:) Sorry and yet not sorry at all...it's what's best for the real democratic party...the one that wins.

She's certainly going to lose in Philly despite Michael Nutter and Fast Eddie. The support for her just isn't here.

maybe I'm a typical HRC supporter, but most of these "Why I Left Clinton for Obama!!!" thread suffer from lame-ism.

:sarcasm:

Because I'm another one who was torn between Hillary and Obama and have now ended up disliking her because of her (and Bill's) campaign tactics. Go ahead and try calling each and every one of us a fake. You'll be here until doomsday, because there are a lot of us.

that Hillary didn't want or even needed my vote. Her comments that most of the states 'don't count' really upset me. Talk about arrogance.

Obama at least made a campaign stop in our state. We counted to him. Hillary flew over the state and basically thumbed her nose at us.

If she feels that way about the majority of the voters (that only certain states count, thus they should decide for all the rest of us peons) what does that say about how she would run her domestic programs? Will she take into account the entire country, or will she only take care of the 'people that count'? I fear that she will continue the Bush method of 'screw the citizenship, and up with the corporations'.

Since she doesn't need my vote, and from the arrogance I see, doesn't want my vote, she should remember that in the GE. I will be voting Dem, but not because of her. It will be in spite of her.

Edited to include that I will vote Dem in November.

Thank you for saying that you will vote for the Democratic nominee in November. I think it will be Obama and I will vote for him even though I am a big Hillary fan. I just replied over on Smirking Chimp to a post telling Bill to shut the fuck up. Democrats are crazy if they think either Obama or Clinton are worse than McCain or Bush.

You don't bring a knife to a gun fight and if you think this is bad, just wait until the fall. We need a president who will take it to the Republicans. I think Hillary is better suited to do that.

Just so you know, I will vote for Obama even though he will not agree to redo the Michigan primary so my vote will count.
I will vote for Obama even though I believe he/his operatives spun Bill's words in SC to portray him as a racist. Come on - Bill Clinton a racist! WTF.
I will vote for Obama even though he IS very inexperienced.
I will vote for Obama even though he sat through 20 years of sermons that sound pretty bad to me.
I will vote for Obama even though the press has given him much more of a pass and minimized my first choice, John Edwards and savaged my second choice, Hillary.

The current flap over Bill's remarks about two patriotic Americans running a campaign of ideas in the fall - again, I think we are straining mightily to find Obama is unpatriotic in Bill's remarks. The fact that General McPeak would spin this as an accusation by Bill that Obama is unpatriotic is reprehensible. But, this is national politics. You don't play nice, you play to win.

WE need to win in November. Period.

I would be interested in your thoughts, KansasVoter.

That's your first mistake isn't it?


You write:
'I will vote for Obama even though I believe he/his operatives spun Bill's words in SC to portray him as a racist. Come on - Bill Clinton a racist! WTF.
I will vote for Obama even though he IS very inexperienced.
I will vote for Obama even though he sat through 20 years of sermons that sound pretty bad to me.
I will vote for Obama even though the press has given him much more of a pass and minimized my first choice, John Edwards and savaged my second choice, Hillary.'

Regarding sentence one...... Bill Clinton isn't running for President.
Regarding sentence two.......Bill Clinton was very inexperienced at national affairs prior to running and winning the Presidency and certainly more so than BO.
Regarding sentence three....Bill Clinton was a self professed Christian adulter making your claims of religious intolerance sound particularly amusing.
Regarding sentence four.... Bill Clinton has gotten a rough ride compared to BO and for good reason. He's good material.

PS -Billary isn't running for President.

Well, Bill is campaigning for Hillary and as a former president commands a lot of attention. Attacks on him then are attacks on Hillary. As First Gentleman, or whatever, I suspect he will have a role more substantial than First Ladies usually do. In any case, it will soon be time for all good Democrats to come to the aid of their party. Are you a good Democrat?

Whether or not I am a 'good Democrat' has nothing to do with whether or not I support Billary for President. Bill Clinton made the calculated political decision to take a principle role in his wife's campaign, which is the last thing he should have done in my opinion. All that did was diminish the legitimate candidacy of his wife.

Are you a good Democrat?

Try that sanctimonious arrogant shit with someone else. I've got news for you: the Democratic party is big enough that I don't have to take your loyalty oath any more than I have to vote for your candidate.

It is not a loyalty oath nor was it meant to be sanctimonious arrogant shit. Your loathing of Hillary and Bill Clinton has blinded you to the greater good. I don't like Obama or trust Obama, but I trust and like the policies of the republicans even less. I think he is using race very skillfully. I think he is inexperienced. He is against a revote in MI and FL since it serves his purposes now, so I will not be able to cast a vote that will count because of him. But, I will hold my nose and vote for him in November because I have had more than enough of the republicans. You and your ilk would rather vote for Nader and get Bush, not vote for Clinton and get McCain.

Last time I looked the party was big enough for Obama and Clinton, liberals like you and me. If you are just looking to hate Hillary at all costs and love Obama, at all costs, and if there are many others like you, then the party is indeed getting smaller and fractured. Not a good thing by my calculations.

I think my intention and example were meant to coax you and others like you to overlook what you see as the Billary cabal and vote for them anyway. This is politics where the winners rule and the losers watch. I am tired of watching. How about you?

I will support Hillary over ANY GOP idiot. Those who will not are just poor losers. I hope it is just their temper showing now and calm down later. I think McCain will annoy them enough that they change their mind.

I liked Hillary's history of standing up to the Republicans (at least pre-2000), and her tenacity, and that she has been through elections.
I liked Edward's holding corporations to a higher standard. I liked the idea of Obama's uniter and his well spoken demeanor, as well as his positions on the issues.
Any of the 3 would have been great.

Obama's Iowa speech made me sit up and take notice. It was very humble speech - I noted how he downplayed his importance and emphasized the importance of the people. Then we had New Hampshire, and Hillary's victory speech - it sounded to me as all me, me, me - "I found my voice", etc. It was very self-centered, I felt. The opposite of the Obama victory speech. This just didn't sit well with me.

Then I noticed how Hillary would never congratulate Obama on a victory. This I found very unusual - every candidate I remember had the common courtesy to congratulate their opponent. This started to had me doubt her.

Later came the "words don't matter" from Hillary. I couldn't believe this out of her. You must be kidding me - words don't matter? Any major movement in human history started with "words". The entire American Revolution, Gandhi, Jesus, heck -- Bill Clinton ran as a man "from a place called Hope". Why is she traveling around the country making speeches? This is where she started campaigning like the "Bushes" - say anything to tear down your opponent.

Then a short time later she openly mocked Obama on his words - not his policy - his words??? Now if I voted for her it would be with a clothespin on my nose.

After this came the inexcusable endorsement of herself and McCain as ready enough to be experienced, but not Obama. To go to this level just smacks of being a spoiled child knowing she lost but not getting her way and ruining the game for everyone else. This is directly responsible for McCain's high polling vs. either Democrat right now. And since then her campaign has been a circus - Obama is good enough to be a VP but not ready to be president. The 3 am ad. The subtle racism of Bill Clinton - using the word "Jesse Jackson", "mugging" to subtly play on white fears of blacks. Her hypocrisy on the re voting in Fl and MI. And most recently - her running head down from sniper fire lie and her campaign calling Gov. Richardson "Judas".

Her campaign has sunk to a Bush type campaign - distractions and say anything to get elected.

If she somehow stole the nomination and was running against McCain, there is only one possible reason I can think of to vote for her. That would be to keep my now 13 year old son from fighting a future war in Iran - which McCain seems too happy to start. But even then I'm not so sure she won't do the same thing. I get the same "tied to Saudi Arabia and Dubai" interests that I get from the Bush administration.

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I also could not believe she would not congratulate Obama. And how all states she lost did not matter. Someone called it the "Insult 40 States Strategy". That was so true!

Nothing to add - you said it well.

This post makes a great point...Clinton is the way to victory!!

Obama Notes:

I’m an old vet. This allowed me, via the G.I. Bill, and odd jobs, to further my education at a fine university in the state of California. I’ve been a registered republican for years. Only swayed once when voting for a democrat, John F. Kennedy, as president of the USA, about to do it again--but only for Barack Obama. I could plagiarize the accolades spoken by Bill Richardson, and many, many others, but too lazy in my waning years. Obama is young, charismatic and a man for the future, for the future of our youngsters.

I will admit, though didn’t vote for him, that Bill Clinton did a fairly good job as president--at least when he was zippered up. That was then, this is now…

John McCain is a great American, a war hero. He also happens to be about my age, we tend to have lapses of memory, i.e., Al-Qaeda in Iran, Jewish Halloween celebrations, etc. He wont always have Joe Lieberman by his side to whisper corrections in his ear. It is time to be rid of politics as usual--it is time for change.

I don’t want to get into Hillary bashing. Besides, it would take a book, but…

Polls. Polls can vary week-to-week depending upon the whims of the moment, truths and untruths. However, one poll, based on Honesty & Trustworthiness, has varied little over the weeks. Need I say more?

“Richardson: Clinton aides in the 'gutter'”
http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/03/23/richardson_clinton_aides_in_the_gutter/3299/

Hillary ducking bullets in Bosnia? Unbelievable! Honesty? Trustworthiness?

Reverend Wright was a member of the U.S. Marines defending the USA. Bill? The vile trash on the MSM in re Obama and the Wright sound bites, taken out of context, only further supported my backing of Obama. God Bless America, God Bless Reverend Wright, God Bless Barack Obama. God Bless John McCain and all the good people of this earth.

To my fellow grandpas, and the grandmas supporting HRC, remember the young are overwhelmingly voting for Obama--let’s don’t be selfish, they have a longer future than do we old duffers. Seriously, talk to your children and your grandchildren--they just might have done more research on materials relevant to this very important election.

Education is the fountain of youth, learn something new everyday…on your own, not what you’re being spoon fed by MSM biases et al. Read, read, read!

It is over, Barack Obama will be the democratic candidate opposing John McCain. I got A’s in advanced statistics, do the math, IT IS OVER. The Fat Lady is getting impatient, she wants to sing of Obama’s victory.


A grandpa…

When she let that fly on the Today show with Matt Lauer I knew what she was trying to do though her supporters vehemently denied any ill-intent.

I think her campaign's efforts since then indicate whether she was playing dirty politics or not with her "spade work" comment.

Pity that three months ago you didn't see fit to explain your support for HRC.

Three days and 21 posts. You're pretty prolific. Sure are a lot of BO supporters with less than a month of membership. Odd.

We have friends who are life-long Republicans. They come from Indiana, and are very conservative.

We visited with them on Sunday, and I was very surprised to hear them both say what an incredible speech Obama gave on racial issues in America. They agreed with the message, and could identify with the statements about having relatives who are good people but had a different experience growing up and so, when our friends were growing up, these relatives would make racist comments. They didn't make the comments to be mean. They were just voicing what they beleived to be the reality of the characteristics of other races.

They have been in a quandry regarding who to vote for on election day. They are both now solidly behind Obama.

I'm not saying that this couple is representative of all conservaties. They are unique in that the husband was a career Caterpiller salesman, and they overseas (Australia) for a few years, where his territory included New Zealand and, I believe, Indonesia and some of the islands. So they have been exposed to different cultures, and their approach may be different.

Welcome aboard!