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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:26 AM
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Imagine if Barry Bonds and not Jackie Robinson was the first Black ballplayer
Instead of the legend of Jackie, you'd have the curse of Barry. Instead of a heroic and dignified role model for a group of people who have been long held down, you had a selfish and arrogant jackass who inspired no one.

That's kind of what Hillary is like for the great feminist movement. Whereas Obama will go down in history as an important and positive figure in American political history (win or lose), Hillary will most likely be remembered for her unscrupulous campaign that managed to betray its own inherently inspirational message of a woman having a crack at the White House.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:29 AM
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1. Hey, come on... Barry Bonds isn't THAT bad... really. - n/t
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:32 AM
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2. Anita Bryant is a curse to the feminist movement...
Barbara Bush is a curse to the feminist movement.

Hillary Clinton certainly is not. Like her or not, she's accomplished a hell of a lot and there is no denying that she's blazing a path no other woman has been able to even come close to. Whether she wins or loses, she's done more for women in the man's world of politics than anyone else.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:43 AM
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5. What do Bryant and Bush have to do with feminism? Nothing.
And as far as what Clinton has done, the verdict is still very much out.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:53 AM
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8. She sure is not a curse to feminism...
and anyone who thinks so is whacked.

How can the verdict still be out after all that she's done since her college days? I don't know a single woman who doesn't acknowledge her accomplishments.

Nobody has to like her and no one's saying that you or anyone else should change your vote. Give credit where it's due. That's all I'm saying.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 02:53 AM
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10. What has she accomplished
She gave a great speech in China on women's rights.

:shrug:
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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 03:00 AM
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11. You mean...
all she had was some speech she gave in China?
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better tomorrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:34 AM
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3. I know, first Gerry (Ferraro) and now Hillary.....
can't we have someone like Lucy and Ethel?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:41 AM
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4. Lucy and Ethel had a brain between them
Hill and Gerry don't
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:45 AM
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7. Actually that's the way I see Obama
An arrogant, yet ignorant egomaniac.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 01:58 AM
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9. Moses Fleetwood Walker 1st major leaguer
Jackie Robinson was the first after the ban was eliminated.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 03:13 AM
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12. Wow, real "politics of hope" you got working, there. Is that how Obama wants you to campaign for
him? Does that sort of post build up your candidate?

Ya think?


:eyes:
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 03:53 AM
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13. Hillary and Obama are politicians. Neither of them have struggled like the civils rights heroes of
the past. Neither of them has had to endure what the great leaders like Frederick Douglas or Mother Jones had to endure. Hillary and Obama are just politicians. You have to keep your eye on both of them. Politicians can not be trusted. None of them. Not JFK (Bay of Pigs). Not Clinton. Not Obama. They will all sell out the most vulnerable group in a crunch---and say it was a matter of national security.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 04:00 AM
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14. After she wins the nomination the party will rally behind her.


All this divisiveness caused by Obama will be a faded memory.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-22-08 04:03 AM
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15. Put down your dime store crystal ball
it's as cracked as you are. Like her or not, Hillary Clinton is an accomplished woman who will long be remembered as the first woman to have a serious chance at winning the presidency.
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